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I was wondering this. I mean, this was in 1998 (I think). At this time Axl really wasn't done with all the CD songs (and probably not with this song either). Hell, in 1998 one of the rumored titles for Axl's album was 2000 Intentions and we were hoping it'd be out in 1999/2000..

OMG sounds a lot like the roughly year 2000 mixes we've heard from IRS and TWAT, as well as the Catcher leak. We also know, based on RIR 2001 that Axl continued working on this song. He wasn't even satisfied with the CD songs when they were released in 2008, so I have a hard time believing he was satisfied with OMG when it appeared on End Of Days. I've heard people say it was a favor to Arnold, but I somehow doubt that as well, considering how cautious Axl was with all the CD songs.

So I was wondering - does anybody have any ideas on who actually made it possible for OMG to be on End Of Days? Who was managing GnR at the time and was this person involved with it? Did Axl actually ok it, or did it happen (like CD) without him really wanting it to? And whoever was responsible for it, can they please manage GnR again?

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It was an Axl fantasy.

He had megalomanic success earlier combining a great song he had to a blockbuster movie that coincidentally had mr. schwarzenegger on it.

He just wanted to redo that little thing to introduce his new band.

Little did he understand that the Arnold movie in question was not that great and wouldn't bust out his song no matter how good the song was. All the demo shit he wrote up after has to be one of Axls most pathetic and miserable lies ever. I see right through it and it still makes me feel sorry for him. Sorry for the whole damn completely whacked letter he wrote to "explain it away", blame canada and whatever the fuck.

The song in itself is amazing though. Axl shouldnt shy away from it just because it wasn't his You Could Be Mine success story for Nu-GNR.

But thats nineties Axl for you. completely caught up in public perception, success... fuck.

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It was an Axl fantasy.

He had megalomanic success combining a great song he had to a blockbuster movie that coincidentally had mr. schwarzenegger on it.

He just wanted to redo that little thing to introduce his new band.

Little did he understand that the Arnold movie in question was not that great and wouldn't bust out his song no matter how good the song was. All the demo shit he wrote up after has to be one of Axls most pathetic and miserable lies ever. I see right through it and it still makes me feel sorry for him. Sorry for the whole damn completely whacked letter he wrote to "explain it away", blame canada and whatever the fuck.

The song in itself is amazing though. Axl shouldnt shy away from it just because it wasn't his You Could Be Mine success story for Nu-GNR.

But thats nineties Axl for you. completely caught up in public perception, success... fuck.

I thought End of Days was great. One of my favorite Arnold movies...

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It was an Axl fantasy.

He had megalomanic success combining a great song he had to a blockbuster movie that coincidentally had mr. schwarzenegger on it.

He just wanted to redo that little thing to introduce his new band.

Little did he understand that the Arnold movie in question was not that great and wouldn't bust out his song no matter how good the song was. All the demo shit he wrote up after has to be one of Axls most pathetic and miserable lies ever. I see right through it and it still makes me feel sorry for him. Sorry for the whole damn completely whacked letter he wrote to "explain it away", blame canada and whatever the fuck.

The song in itself is amazing though. Axl shouldnt shy away from it just because it wasn't his You Could Be Mine success story for Nu-GNR.

But thats nineties Axl for you. completely caught up in public perception, success... fuck.

I thought End of Days was great. One of my favorite Arnold movies...

I like that one scene where Arnold is making his breakfast but other than that it really is quite pathetic. especially at the church in the ending... ooooh my god. B-movie stuff right there :/

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Q: I love Oh my God, but it really sounds like a demo, why? I'm sure we all would love a new version.

A: Because that's all it was, only at the time having just got it together only Jimmy Iovine knew that who wanted it to sell their soundtrack. I saw segments of the movie which were good. As a whole later not so much but it wasn't ready yet then. I did write an experimental piece inspired by the bits I'd seen called "Daddy Can the Devil do Mommy and me?" ;D (Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com forum, Dec. 2008)

Q : What does the future hold for 'OMG'?

A: There’s a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it’s not taken all that seriously. (Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com forum, Dec. 2008)

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I believe it was just a demo. i think they wanted to test the waters and test the public reaction. The media killed it though with their criticism, and i think Axl and everyone took that too seriously. The direction of the project must have radically changed at that point.

i remeber when it came out. The song opened my eyes to the possibilities of Axl's vision. i must have played it like 37 times the night i bought the soindtrack. Thats when you know something is awesome. pure magic..

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It was an Axl fantasy.

He had megalomanic success combining a great song he had to a blockbuster movie that coincidentally had mr. schwarzenegger on it.

He just wanted to redo that little thing to introduce his new band.

Little did he understand that the Arnold movie in question was not that great and wouldn't bust out his song no matter how good the song was. All the demo shit he wrote up after has to be one of Axls most pathetic and miserable lies ever. I see right through it and it still makes me feel sorry for him. Sorry for the whole damn completely whacked letter he wrote to "explain it away", blame canada and whatever the fuck.

The song in itself is amazing though. Axl shouldnt shy away from it just because it wasn't his You Could Be Mine success story for Nu-GNR.

But thats nineties Axl for you. completely caught up in public perception, success... fuck.

I thought End of Days was great. One of my favorite Arnold movies...

I like that one scene where Arnold is making his breakfast but other than that it really is quite pathetic. especially at the church in the ending... ooooh my god. B-movie stuff right there :/

Really? i loved the movie, and thought it was appropriate since we were in 1999 and there were all this rumors and myths that the World was gonna end. The guy that played the Devil was awesome.

Of course it wasn't a terminator kind movie or anything like that, but it's one of my favorite Arnold movies. One of the few i bought on DVD when the transition from tapes to dvds was happening.

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Q: I love Oh my God, but it really sounds like a demo, why? I'm sure we all would love a new version.

A: Because that's all it was, only at the time having just got it together only Jimmy Iovine knew that who wanted it to sell their soundtrack. I saw segments of the movie which were good. As a whole later not so much but it wasn't ready yet then. I did write an experimental piece inspired by the bits I'd seen called "Daddy Can the Devil do Mommy and me?" ;D (Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com forum, Dec. 2008)

Q : What does the future hold for 'OMG'?

A: There’s a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it’s not taken all that seriously. (Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com forum, Dec. 2008)

I took this as trying to build some sort of relationship after Interscope took over Geffen, a way for the public to hear new GNR music after 5 years of inactivity. But for someone who wants every note perfect, why would he give Iovine a rush job?

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I believe it was just a demo. i think they wanted to test the waters and test the public reaction. The media killed it though with their criticism, and i think Axl and everyone took that too seriously. The direction of the project must have radically changed at that point.

i remeber when it came out. The song opened my eyes to the possibilities of Axl's vision. i must have played it like 37 times the night i bought the soindtrack. Thats when you know something is awesome. pure magic..

No they didn't.

Everyone was kinda surprised when it came out...it was like "huh."

Axl killed it by not talking or doing anything to promote it.

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It was a disastrous track to illustrate the new project. If you think about it, even after Chinese Democracy OMG remains one of the most experimental moments of new GNR.

It deviated too much from previous GNR styles.

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It was a disastrous track to illustrate the new project. If you think about it, even after Chinese Democracy OMG remains one of the most experimental moments of new GNR.

It deviated too much from previous GNR styles.

I remember rushing down to buy the soundtrack album for that one song and then 30 seconds later after I had it playing I knew that GNR as I loved and appreciated them were done. In its own place in its own time it has legs to a degree but it simply wasnt GNR in any means or way other than name only. Industrial was the going sound at the time and I didnt have much regard for that sound, look or message at the time so this was a massive "what the fuck?" when I heard it.
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I think the definitive answer to the question is Arnie personally wanted a GNR track and Jimmy Iovine proposed OMG which complimented the futuristic style of End of Days.

I remember rushing down to buy the soundtrack album for that one song and then 30 seconds later after I had it playing I knew that GNR as I loved and appreciated them were done.

That would have been the reaction of most. As I said, it deviated too much from the preconcieved idea of GNR. If you're going in a different direction, fine. But do it gradually.

It shouldn't have hit the soundwaves until you could optionally hear it on the album (then Axl could have at least gauged if it was a desirable style).

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Terminator 5 is set for 2015 release, Arnold is back in, who knows maybe a guns song as well.

We need to contact Arnold to ask Axl for a new Guns N' Roses song. He's the only one who can do it.

I sort of imagine him showing up at Axl's house, half Arnold, half Terminator robot, and shooting up the place until Axl is weeping like a kid and hands him all the demo's. ^_^

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Bottom line is the movie was a bomb, and so was the song. It was supposed to be the start of Axl's comeback. I heard it on the radio once, I liked it but I don't know anyone else who did. Hell, in 1999, we didn't really know who was in the band. All we knew was Axl was there.

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Bottom line is the movie was a bomb, and so was the song. It was supposed to be the start of Axl's comeback. I heard it on the radio once, I liked it but I don't know anyone else who did. Hell, in 1999, we didn't really know who was in the band. All we knew was Axl was there.

Yeah, took a while for me to appreciate it too. It was a huge culture shock really. But looking back I love it. partially for it's raw and industrial production style. Again - I wish that's the version of CD we'd gotten. If that record with that style would have been released in roughly 2000, I think it'd have done pretty damn well. And even if it did mediocre, the entire start and process of "new GnR" would've been so much better. Instead of becoming a joke, it'd be much more accepted I think.

If's and but's... :(

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Terminator 5 is set for 2015 release, Arnold is back in, who knows maybe a guns song as well.

If you take Terminator 4's example, you'll get another you could be mine lol but that's a great thing!

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It was an Axl fantasy.

He had megalomanic success earlier combining a great song he had to a blockbuster movie that coincidentally had mr. schwarzenegger on it.

He just wanted to redo that little thing to introduce his new band.

Little did he understand that the Arnold movie in question was not that great and wouldn't bust out his song no matter how good the song was. All the demo shit he wrote up after has to be one of Axls most pathetic and miserable lies ever. I see right through it and it still makes me feel sorry for him. Sorry for the whole damn completely whacked letter he wrote to "explain it away", blame canada and whatever the fuck.

The song in itself is amazing though. Axl shouldnt shy away from it just because it wasn't his You Could Be Mine success story for Nu-GNR.

But thats nineties Axl for you. completely caught up in public perception, success... fuck.

I'd say this was probably close to the version of events that happened. My personal timeline of events (and this is all speculation):

1. Movie studio probably realized it was a fairly weak movie, and wondered if there was any way to get "word of mouth" going about it. Someone probably brought up how huge "You Could Be Mine" was for Terminator 2, and brought up the idea. Guns N' Roses hadn't been heard from in a while, what better way to get buzz going again than putting together the Arnold/GN'R combo again.

2. Arnold and various movie producers probably sweet talked Axl into it, convinced him it would be a perfect opportunity for him to release a new song to the general public. It would be a teaser for the new Guns N' Roses album, and people would be into it who remembered "You Could Be Mine" from 1991. At this point, Axl had not been told that his work was not good enough to be released (by studio, RTB, Ezrin, etc.), and was even probably excited about the prospect.

3. Axl specifically chooses a song that is more of a "throw away" and not one of the "big songs" like "There was a Time" or "Catcher in the Rye." As Robin had bailed by this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he specifically chose a song that Robin had little to do with (it was written by Axl, Dizzy, and Paul).

4. As deadline got closer and closer, the notorious "perfectionism" kicks in. We've heard that Iovine had to stay up with Axl to the 11th hour mixing it, he probably had to do everything he could to get it sent in by the deadline needed.

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OMG was released in 1999---which was only like 6 years after GNR had gone on hiatus. Overall, that's not a very long time.

So, to go from UYI and into OMG was just too huge of a departure. Also, the song just isn't stellar. Fine, there are some nice bits of musicality to it, but it's just not an incredible song.

Outside of these diehard forums, no one likes OMG.

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