Georgy Zhukov Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Anyone seen this Western by Michael Cimino? I know it was a huge flop and set period pieces back several years but I heard it was a decent film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 No, but I read about half of that Final Cut book on the making of the film. Was pretty good, dunno why I didn't finish it.Apparently the director's cut is much better. Cimino's a weird looking dude these days.1979:2012 (age 73): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 He looks Asian in the second pic.Yeah, I've read they chopped it up and ruined the film. Supposedly it convinced Scorsese to put off Gangs of New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Holy shit, just read this on Wikipedia, now I wish this had come to pass:"Cimino's dream project has been an adaptation of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. Taking its cue from more than the novel, it was largely modeled on architect Jørn Utzon's troubled building of the Sydney Opera House, as well as the construction of the Empire State Plaza in Albany, New York. He wrote the script in between Thunderbolt and Lightfoot and The Deer Hunter, and hoped to have Clint Eastwood play Howard Roark." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I've told people if they like Barry Lyndon, they'll like this one. And if they've seen Heaven's Gate and liked it, they'll prob. like Heaven's Gate. It comes down to the movie being a western bromance about 2 guys who went to Ivy League schools and headed west with different agendas, and a bitchin' roller skate dance scene. Critics had an agenda with directors - One From The Heart after Apocalypse Now, Heavens Gate after Deer Hunter, 1941 after Close Encounters. Go back a few years, New York New York was seen as Scosese's flop. I think Spielberg just managed to have a good team where they were able to maintain a great track record, with minor bumps. That's why George Lucas had gotten out of Hollywood and broke out of the Director's Guild. He SAW this happening firsthand and didn't want Fox running rampant over his pictures. Lucas took a hit for Howard the Duck and they made such a big deal out of it at the time. All the documentaries behind the movies are a story in themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I watched it recently. Supposedly the studio really ruined it. it was rereleased to rave reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It's tough to make money off of a 5 hour movie. I thought it was pretty good, but it needed to be longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I've told people if they like Barry Lyndon, they'll like this one. And if they've seen Heaven's Gate and liked it, they'll prob. like Heaven's Gate. It comes down to the movie being a western bromance about 2 guys who went to Ivy League schools and headed west with different agendas, and a bitchin' roller skate dance scene. Critics had an agenda with directors - One From The Heart after Apocalypse Now, Heavens Gate after Deer Hunter, 1941 after Close Encounters. Go back a few years, New York New York was seen as Scosese's flop. I think Spielberg just managed to have a good team where they were able to maintain a great track record, with minor bumps. That's why George Lucas had gotten out of Hollywood and broke out of the Director's Guild. He SAW this happening firsthand and didn't want Fox running rampant over his pictures. Lucas took a hit for Howard the Duck and they made such a big deal out of it at the time. All the documentaries behind the movies are a story in themselves.Finished watching Barry Lyndon last night....it was o.k. but not something I would watch again soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It's tough to make money off of a 5 hour movie. I thought it was pretty good, but it needed to be longer.I need to see the directors cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 michael cimino is an odd guy for sure. he makes an unqualified masterpiece, 'the deer hunter,' but his eccentricity got the better of him. i think in today's studio environment a big bomb like 'heaven's gate' wouldn't have ruined him forever, especially based off the merits of his breakthrough film. but back then the studio system was just a different beast, and he made THE biggest flop EVER (at the time), and he was pretty much finished after that. he made a few other films -- mickey rourke was his favourite actor to work with and 'year of the dragon' has some stuff going for it -- but i think his last studio picture was in 1996 and wasn't particularly good. and yes, he severely modified his personal appearance (there were even rumours that he changed his sex and is now a female, but he denied this) which sealed his fate as a has-been. with the way he acts and the way he looks i doubt he'll be given any more chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 michael cimino is an odd guy for sure. he makes an unqualified masterpiece, 'the deer hunter,' but his eccentricity got the better of him. i think in today's studio environment a big bomb like 'heaven's gate' wouldn't have ruined him forever, especially based off the merits of his breakthrough film. but back then the studio system was just a different beast, and he made THE biggest flop EVER (at the time), and he was pretty much finished after that. he made a few other films -- mickey rourke was his favourite actor to work with and 'year of the dragon' has some stuff going for it -- but i think his last studio picture was in 1996 and wasn't particularly good. and yes, he severely modified his personal appearance (there were even rumours that he changed his sex and is now a female, but he denied this) which sealed his fate as a has-been. with the way he acts and the way he looks i doubt he'll be given any more chances.It was weird at what Cimino was being attacked by critics on - the budget of the film - more than the actual film itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Heaven's gate is very much like a certain record we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 How does it compare to other Westerns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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