A misconception

[Guest NGOG]

While I share certain criticisms about GNR management, I resent comments along the lines of 'just release new music'. What you have to accept is that GNR are not a free acting entity, they are contracted to Interscope. As a result, GNR literally cannot release music whenever they so desire. Unlike Prince or Trent Reznor, they do not have the option of acting independently because they physically owe Interscope something.

Added to that, they cannot throw Interscope whatever style of music they want. Do you honestly think Interscope will be open to a more radical version of Chinese Democracy? They will use the stats and reaction surrounding Chinese Democracy to argue against another record of that style. Axl will obviously argue a position to the contrary. It isn't the nineties, Axl doesn't have the power to waltz into Interscope offices and set a GNR record on the table. I would go as far as to say Axl knows that hence why GNR may have only approached the label very recently (expecting an incredibly laborious process).

[Gia]

Fine, it's Interscopes fault

but why can't they communicate to the fans in a proper manner?

[Guest NGOG]

It's bound to be frustrating having fans naively say to you 'release new songs' 24/7.

[Gia]

*1.* Axl, when are we going to hear new music?
*2.* Axl, you mentioned an autobiography the last time we spoke to you, do you plan on releasing that?
*3.* Axl, do you still intend to release Chinese Democracy II... or have you shifted mentally towards a record capturing the talents of the current line-up?
*4.* Axl, will you ever debut new material live again or did Chinese Democracy sour that idea?
*5.* Axl, GNR has always released new music by way of albums, would you ever consider releasing new songs individually?

Guns N' Roses ‏@gunsnroses 2m

Generally speaking, we have no information on tours, albums, or DVDs. When things get confirmed we'll let you know. Thanks for your patience

Okay

Sorry, it's just my complaints, complaints, complaints

Edited August 25, 2013 by Gia

[Patience 4 Axl]

Axl has been in the business almost 30 years. Can we not act like he didn't know what the expectations were when he willingly negotiated and signed a contract with the label? Thanks.

As for fans, I'm not willing to throw them under the bus because they want new music. Seriously? That's what fans of every artist want. Why would we be any different?

[estrangedtwat]

Blame Interscope for not releasing music that Axl never gave them or gave them permission to release?

Why would we blame them? They WANT to release new product. They get money that way.

[niceguy]

It's all Interscope's and Slash's fault. Period.

[wasted]

Im not sure its that a big a deal for them, its probably as much of a ball ache as anything. Its a tough job. A reunion is more a no brainer. But coming up with an idea for an album which doesnt make people think why? seems hard.

I know they can put old CD era material out but it doesnt ring true with Axl laughing his ass off on tour these days. There was kind of a dark, twisted vibeto the 2000 line up but now its more bizness and leisure.

Right now they look like pimps on a bender to vegas. Buts its a whole new thing to make an album now, there doesnt seem to be anything to get riled up about.

Edited August 25, 2013 by wasted

[Guest NGOG]

Axl has been in the business almost 30 years. Can we not act like he didn't know what the expectations were when he willingly negotiated and signed a contract with the label? Thanks.

It's not surprising that you would overlook my actual point. It must be quite a comedown to go from label 'goldenboy' to a mid-card client. Axl was clearly exhausted by Chinese Democracy so you could see why he might be reluctant to enter an even more laborious process.

The thing is Axl doesn't have the liberty to give a record to iTunes and appease everybody. Any product has to go through Interscope who just aren't going to be overly obliging.

Edited August 25, 2013 by NGOG

[Patience 4 Axl]

Axl has been in the business almost 30 years. Can we not act like he didn't know what the expectations were when he willingly negotiated and signed a contract with the label? Thanks.

It's not surprising that you would overlook my actual point. It must be quite a comedown to go from label 'goldenboy' to a mid-card client. Axl was clearly exhausted by Chinese Democracy so you could see why he might be reluctant to enter an even more laborious process.

The thing is Axl doesn't have the liberty to give a record to iTunes and appease everybody. Any product has to go through Interscope who just aren't going to be overly obliging.

I didn't overlook your point. I can spot another tiresome excuse from a mile away.

I'm not pretending there are most likely some issues involving the record company, (issues that somehow hundreds of other artists in all different categories of popularity seem to be luckily immune from) but Axl falling from golden boy status is a result of his own doing, not the label, who were more than patient and generous imo. After giving him 15 years, 14 + million dollars, numerous producers, and studio time, I think Axl wasn't the only one exhausted from the Chinese Democracy process. I'd imagine it worked both ways. And, I think it's presumptuous to assume he can't release something on iTunes for example. Is this a known fact? The record label is in the business of making money, first and foremost. Why do people act like they don't want to?

Edited August 25, 2013 by Patience 4 Axl

[alfierose]

http://www.ninwiki.com/Interscope_Records

What we lack most as fans besides new music is coherent information. If GnR has issues with Interscope why not explain things in a transparent manner. He could go the Trent Reznor route, read the above link for some of Trent's statements to his fans. NIN fans were left in no doubt whatsoever as to his feelings and intent.

[DieselDaisy]

While I share certain criticisms about GNR management, I resent comments along the lines of 'just release new music'. What you have to accept is that GNR are not a free acting entity, they are contracted to Interscope. As a result, GNR literally cannot release music whenever they so desire. Unlike Prince or Trent Reznor, they do not have the option of acting independently because they physically owe Interscope something.

Added to that, they cannot throw Interscope whatever style of music they want. Do you honestly think Interscope will be open to a more radical version of Chinese Democracy? They will use the stats and reaction surrounding Chinese Democracy to argue against another record of that style. Axl will obviously argue a position to the contrary. It isn't the nineties, Axl doesn't have the power to waltz into Interscope offices and set a GNR record on the table. I would go as far as to say Axl knows that hence why GNR may have only approached the label very recently (expecting an incredibly laborious process).

You cannot know any of this as none of us have any idea what the contract between Axl and Interscope consists of. For all we know, Axl could owe Interscope a record and Interscope may be clamouring for an album as much as we are. We just do not know.

[T.wa.T]

I seem to recall Vicky Hamilton saying that Axl used to carry around a book about the music business, and how she was surprised by his knowledge of the biz. Even so, he has first hand knowledge of how it works, so he knows how to get them when theyre trying to get him.

[alfierose]

I seem to recall Vicky Hamilton saying that Axl used to carry around a book about the music business, and how she was surprised by his knowledge of the biz. Even so, he has first hand knowledge of how it works, so he knows how to get them when theyre trying to get him.

I expect Axl is very knowledgeable about the industry I think where it goes wrong is when he takes the knowledge and applies his unique mindset to it.

[T.wa.T]

I seem to recall Vicky Hamilton saying that Axl used to carry around a book about the music business, and how she was surprised by his knowledge of the biz. Even so, he has first hand knowledge of how it works, so he knows how to get them when theyre trying to get him.

I expect Axl is very knowledgeable about the industry I think where it goes wrong is when he takes the knowledge and applies his unique mindset to it.

Yeah, like he wants to make up the rules so they apply to him. I dont really blame him though, hes looking out for what he thinks are his best interests. It sucks because it comes at a cost to the fans, with all the waiting etc.. but who knows in his mind hes doing the right thing.

[Dazey]

Cobblers! If Axl had 12-15 songs fully recorded and mastered with vocals the record company wouldn't be holding anything up.

[T.wa.T]

^^^ agreed, so its somwhere in between.

[axlsalinger]

This thread is speculation based on nothing.

[Guest NGOG]

issues that somehow hundreds of other artists

And, I think it's presumptuous to assume he can't release something on iTunes for example.

The first point you make is quite irrelevant when you're discussing a major record label that doesn't represent hundreds of clients. They have a select roster of money making names.

GNR are contracted to Interscope, if Axl were to contact iTunes and release a song in the next few hours hours he would be violating that agreement. As long as GNR owe Interscope material beyond Chinese Democracy (which it has been widely reported they do) they cannot opt to release songs independent of their contract.

[Guest NGOG]

Cobblers! If Axl had 12-15 songs fully recorded and mastered with vocals the record company wouldn't be holding anything up.

Do you actually think they'll want to keep putting things out by modern day GNR? Do you know what that potentially does? It could free up GNR's contractual obligations to Interscope therefore they lose out on any possible reunion.

[Dazey]

As long as GNR owe Interscope material beyond Chinese Democracy (which it has been widely reported they do) they cannot opt to release songs independent of their contract.

So do it as part of their contract. There isn't an issue here.

Cobblers! If Axl had 12-15 songs fully recorded and mastered with vocals the record company wouldn't be holding anything up.

Do you actually think they'll want to keep putting things out by modern day GNR? Do you know what that potentially does? It could free up GNR's contractual obligations to Interscope therefore they lose out on any possible reunion.

You actually think that they think a reunion will ever happen? Not to mention that Axl could (and no doubt would) sue the shit out if them cuz that's actually illegal.

[rev]

If the record company is the problem,gnr should just leak the music. They already said nobody buys albums so whats the loss? Plus then gnr can release whatever they want when they want.

[Patience 4 Axl]

issues that somehow hundreds of other artists

And, I think it's presumptuous to assume he can't release something on iTunes for example.

The first point you make is quite irrelevant when you're discussing a major record label that doesn't represent hundreds of clients. They have a select roster of money making names.

GNR are contracted to Interscope, if Axl were to contact iTunes and release a song in the next few hours hours he would be violating that agreement. As long as GNR owe Interscope material beyond Chinese Democracy (which it has been widely reported they do) they cannot opt to release songs independent of their contract.

Interscope, which is only a part of the giant UMG, represents about 150 artists alone. That doesn't include all the other artists under all the other record labels owned by UMG. My point is not irrelevant, unless you think any one of labels, large or small, sign people who they think won't make them money,

Why would Axl contact iTunes directly? He's not an unsigned indie artist. That's just another benefit of having a label backing him - you let them do it. If it's not in their contract, renegotiate and put it in. It's not rocket science. Of course there would have to be an actual song for the label to work with, that seems to be the hard part. And again, I don't see how that's the labels fault.

[vaida]

While I share certain criticisms about GNR management, I resent comments along the lines of 'just release new music'. What you have to accept is that GNR are not a free acting entity, they are contracted to Interscope. As a result, GNR literally cannot release music whenever they so desire. Unlike Prince or Trent Reznor, they do not have the option of acting independently because they physically owe Interscope something.

Added to that, they cannot throw Interscope whatever style of music they want. Do you honestly think Interscope will be open to a more radical version of Chinese Democracy? They will use the stats and reaction surrounding Chinese Democracy to argue against another record of that style. Axl will obviously argue a position to the contrary. It isn't the nineties, Axl doesn't have the power to waltz into Interscope offices and set a GNR record on the table. I would go as far as to say Axl knows that hence why GNR may have only approached the label very recently (expecting an incredibly laborious process).

If Axl were to hand over an albums worth of finished music, i think it is safe to say Interscope would release it. If Axl were to hand over an albums worth of music every year, i think it also be safe to say Interscope would release it. Sale's = $$ and that's all record companies care about.

[liers]

But Axl has a limited amount of time to release new music. GH came out in 2004? So that's a 10 year time frame. The original deadline was 1999, so maybe even 5 years. They need to release SOMETHING before 2018.

They could still perform new music live. They could still discuss new music. Heck, at this point they could release new music under simply "Guns" and play it as Guns n Roses.

I think axl owes the label 1 more record. Record one more, make it sound like AFD, release it, drop the label and release music privately.

Cobblers! If Axl had 12-15 songs fully recorded and mastered with vocals the record company wouldn't be holding anything up.

Do you actually think they'll want to keep putting things out by modern day GNR? Do you know what that potentially does? It could free up GNR's contractual obligations to Interscope therefore they lose out on any possible reunion.

Considering that axl used up millions of dollars handed off to him, I would think the record label would release anything that would make them their money back as opposed to waiting on the off chance of a reunion. 14 million dollars isn't a small amount even for interscope.

Edited August 25, 2013 by liers