CoolRanchDressing Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Just sayin...(I don't for a second believe there is anything commercially viable amidst the ashes of Chinese Democracy. Simply no way the label would have let that opportunity slip by. And that wasn't what axl was going for with the CD experient anyways. ) Edited August 28, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tippin Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 So you don't think that Better could've been a commercial hit if Axl and the label got behind it? All that song needed was some kind of push from someone to become a hit..It just never happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I suspect Going Down was that card. Tommy's voice is way more radio-appealing than Axl's. Edited August 28, 2013 by ManetsBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 No single is being released under the GNR name with Axl simply doing backing vocals. They aren't The Cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I don't think it is easy to write a hit single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I don't think rock songs are hits anymore. But a strong song that the fan base like. I don't hear any hits on Hesitation Marks for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolRanchDressing Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) So you don't think that Better could've been a commercial hit if Axl and the label got behind it? All that song needed was some kind of push from someone to become a hit..It just never happened..It needed a chorus too. Edited August 28, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 No, it just needed the push. If you play any shit over and over at the radio, people eventually convince themselves that they actually like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTD Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Where does the idea originate that there was some huge difficult obstackle between GNR and label?One radiating from label's direction that is."No, we shall NOT release albums from you, band signed to us! Mwhahaha"Is there some actual valid evidence suggesting this, or is this what people who also think Jews behind Youtube make Axl sound bad because they are evil believe? Edited August 28, 2013 by LTD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 it's more that it isn't the 90s, and labels don't throw money on promo videos anymore. rock songs aren't what are hits. 90s bands are like touring bands. It's partly due to the fan base of those bands actually not wanting the new records to be as popular as the old stuff. But in GNR's case it might be worse cos GNR lost half it's fan base.You can almost base the successfulness of a band on whether they can tour or not. Nostalgia culture is very strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashoride Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I don't think time has anything to do with it.GN'R needs a more modern sound that fits in these days.Rock music is much harder now than it was in the 90s and all the of the fans of rock music love the hard shit. These wimpy GN'R songs on CD isn't going to win anyone over.Better was probably the only track on CD that could've made it. Chinese Democracy could've been something good but the lyrics were horrid, right when he gets to "chinese stew" it kind of ruined it.Everyone knows who Axl is and all it takes is a killer single to have the light back on them. That's the obstacle and is that what they all want? Edited August 28, 2013 by crashoride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Anyone has the potential to make a hit song, it's all in how it's promoted and whether or not it gets in peoples' heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 name one hit rock song from this year?was God is Dead a hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 GNR didn't write mere hits; they wrote rock classics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 like most bands they'll never write a classic. Was there a classic after U2's One or Metallica's Enter Sandman, ACDC's Thunderstruck, NIN's Closer.This is why maybe they won't bother to put out a record, it needs to be really awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One.In.A.Million Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Axl has no interest in making music with this line-up. Why would he?, he had a stronger band 10 years ago who made at least 30 tracks together, Axl is no fool he will use the tracks from the Finck/Bucket/Brain era when he's ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prettytiedup88 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I'm sure some will argue against this but the last truely successful album released by a "classic rock" artist was Black Ice - AC/DC. That didn't have a "hit single" yet the label got behind them because the album was the vintage sound of the band.I don't think a hit single matters to the label when the band are classic rock like it does when they are current top 40. Its a different beast all together. If Axl was to put together an album that sounded like the GNR the mass consumer wants to hear - there would be no label issue (assuming there even is).Its when an album gets handed in that is completely disjointed from what their core audience expects that there is a problem. So long as the next thing he hands in has a more classic GNR sound, I doubt anyone at UMG would have a problem backing it for release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) It's not a surprise that huge band brand names survived by getting back to their core sound. Metallica even did that. You look at the current line up and they seem more likely to put out a hard rock album. Even Sabbath did that. Only Axl was trying to do a new sound, and without the original band. Edited August 28, 2013 by wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 'When Todd Sullivan, then working as 'talent executive' for Geffen, couriered a sampling of CDs featuring various name producers over to Axl, with a note suggesting he might like to consider one of them to work with on his own album, Axl's response was to place the CDs in his drive and run over them in his silver Ferrari. Some time later, the same exec persuaded Axl to play him some of the snippets he had been working on. After which, he told him: “Look, Axl, this is some really great, promising stuff here. Why don't you consider just bearing down and completing some of these songs?” To which Axl replied: “Hmm, bear down and complete some of these songs?” The very next day Sullivan received a phone call from Geffen chairman Eddie Rosenblatt informing him he “was off the project.”' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I think the evidence that the labels wasn't behind CD is pretty obvious, look at the release... you had to search, the advert campaign was lazy, a lousy tv advert that did very little in hype building. When I bought the cd there was no stands displaying it, it ws just another cd not the album in the works for 14years.The label dropped the ball, most bands will agree that labels have no time for older bands, they just want to make money off the young guys (get one album out of them and drop em' attitude) A guns album is too expensive and they can't predict it so... they choose to not back it. I'm sure there's a label who would back them but I'm not universal is that label judging by the last fiasco. Obviously the band shares some blame... No iterviews, press etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolRanchDressing Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) You guys act like there are no profitable rock acts. Obviously I don't think a fifty year old a l rose could ever write something as popular or relevant as Bruno Mars. But certainly we can agree he can at least top nickleback. Right?Stop lowering the bar guys. I believe axl is every bit as capable of writing a song half as popular as slither. Edited August 28, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 You guys act like there are no profitable rock acts. Obviously I don't think a fifty year old a l rose could ever write something as popular or relevant as Bruno Mars. But certainly we can agree he can at least top nickleback. Right?Stop lowering the bar guys. I believe axl is every bit as capable of writing a song half as popular as slither.It's not Axls writing ability that people question... there's very few who can deny how catchy "better" or "street of dreams" are. the problem lies in the fact that Axls not the new hot young thing like all those morons on The voice or X factor. Labels want to work with them... it's easier. Axl has marketability but... he needs to A) write an album that the majority can like, not just the fans that are open minded and willing to go with an artist when they change direction. 2) be willing to do some more press. 3) Get a bit of a look overhaul, I don't mean cutting his hair or anything - what I mean is he needs to get back in shape or at least as good as he looked in 2007/07 so the older women who were 17 when appetite came out can drool over him again... it would also help No. 4. 4) Get his physical fitness back up to scratch so he can still do his usual running around... while not being completely breathless and vocally shot.There's no reason Guns can't have a pretty successful album... bands like AC/DC, Aerosmith, KISS, Whitesnake have all released albums recently and have all sold respectful amounts... not all in the millions but 500,000+ (which would have been a couple of million by 90s standards), obviously AC/DC sold in the millions but thats because A) their huge B) their older fan-base went out and bought the cd... and C)their record label knew how to promote them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Interscope act in the interests of commerce, that's their policy. That's why people like Jimmy Iovine were dispatched to get Axl to change the direction of Chinese Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jesus Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 like most bands they'll never write a classic. Was there a classic after U2's One or Metallica's Enter Sandman, ACDC's Thunderstruck, NIN's Closer.This is why maybe they won't bother to put out a record, it needs to be really awesome.All those bands wrote top songs after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 So you don't think that Better could've been a commercial hit if Axl and the label got behind it? All that song needed was some kind of push from someone to become a hit..It just never happened..Why do you think the label wasn't behind it? Just out of curiosity.Labels WANT hits. The more hits they produce, the more money they make.Could it be that the general public rock crowd just wasn't that into the single songs off of the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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