Is it possible to be a GN'R fan and not like Axl?

[CoolRanchDressing]

Even though I don't like what axl has become, I still like following his latter years' misadventures. It's like watching him get his comeuppance for years of being a jerk. I wanted to see nugnr fail, but never in a million years did I expect it to be such a clusterfuck. This is like the tenth season of a hilarious reality show about an arrogant megalomaniac rock star getting his just desserts. Brilliant tragi-comedy. Ricky Gervais couldn't have played it better.

So because 20 nerds visit a forum daily to make fun of Axl, you think he is getting adequate payback? Screw the fact that he is making a shitload of money giving sub-par performances, doing covers and nothing but the hits; as long as there are dorks on the internet to claim he is somehow failing, justice is served. Great logic.

I think he's becomes failure as an artist and a man. Regardless of this or any other forum.

[Damn_Smooth]

Even though I don't like what axl has become, I still like following his latter years' misadventures. It's like watching him get his comeuppance for years of being a jerk. I wanted to see nugnr fail, but never in a million years did I expect it to be such a clusterfuck. This is like the tenth season of a hilarious reality show about an arrogant megalomaniac rock star getting his just desserts. Brilliant tragi-comedy. Ricky Gervais couldn't have played it better.

So because 20 nerds visit a forum daily to make fun of Axl, you think he is getting adequate payback? Screw the fact that he is making a shitload of money giving sub-par performances, doing covers and nothing but the hits; as long as there are dorks on the internet to claim he is somehow failing, justice is served. Great logic.

Most people outside the forums see Axl and his band as a joke. If the original band stayed together they would probably be as big and respected as Metallica, U2, etc, still filling arenas and who knows, maybe even stadiums. There are less and less people each years who go to their shows.

Even though I don't like what axl has become, I still like following his latter years' misadventures. It's like watching him get his comeuppance for years of being a jerk. I wanted to see nugnr fail, but never in a million years did I expect it to be such a clusterfuck. This is like the tenth season of a hilarious reality show about an arrogant megalomaniac rock star getting his just desserts. Brilliant tragi-comedy. Ricky Gervais couldn't have played it better.

So because 20 nerds visit a forum daily to make fun of Axl, you think he is getting adequate payback? Screw the fact that he is making a shitload of money giving sub-par performances, doing covers and nothing but the hits; as long as there are dorks on the internet to claim he is somehow failing, justice is served. Great logic.

I think he's becomes failure as an artist and a man. Regardless of this or any other forum.

He has the ability to do what he wants, when he wants, nobody to stand in his way and all of the money to make it happen and more cash rolling in every day. Wish I could fail like that.

[CoolRanchDressing]

Are you kidding? He can't get his music released, is consumed by grudges resentment and bitterness from his past, yet is forced to milk the past he hates to pay his bills. Oh and he's never had a real relationship and will die childless and wifeless, with three crazy people as his only friends. and del james, the tax cheat an drug addict whose friendship axl purchased when everyone else told that loser to take a hike. What can you point to as the great personal and professional successes of his last 20 years? if you think touring his old bands music relentlessly and suing soda companies for the rest of his life is filling him with joy and artistic satisfaction, then go right ahead.

Edited September 14, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing

[Damn_Smooth]

Are you kidding? He can't get his music released, is consumed by grudges resentment and bitterness from his past, yet is forced to milk the past he hates to pay his bills. Oh and he's never had a real relationship and will die childless and wifeless, with three crazy people as his only friends. What can you point to as the great personal and professional successes of his last 20 years? if you think touring his old bands music relentlessly for the rest of his life is filling him with joy and artistic satisfaction, then go right ahead.

You're speculation isn't fact. You have no clue about how he feels on a daily basis even if your alleged one time conversation took place. Every single person on Earth has bad days. If I was as successful as him and scored the quality of women that he can have at the snap of a finger, I wouldn't be dumb enough to get married either. Who has any evidence that he wants to release anything? Everything you wrote is something that can't possibly be proven. You do realize that, right?

[CoolRanchDressing]

Nothing you wrote can be proven either. I think my take makes more logical sense to me. But sure, I'm totally willing to concede that all axl ever wanted was to be a fat Vegas act with a few high priced whores on call.

[Damn_Smooth]

Nothing you wrote can be proven either. I think my take makes more logical sense to me. But sure, I'm totally willing to concede that all axl ever wanted was to be a fat Vegas act with a few high priced whores on call.

Considering Vegas was only a brief stop, you're losing points by the second. It can't be proven that he has no one to answer to and makes shitloads of money? I disagree. The only thing that I said that can be considered speculation is that he doesn't want to release music, but nothing on earth could stop him from leaking it and playing it live, so it does make a tiny bit of sense.

[Crash Diet]

No

Depends what you mean by "like".

It doesn't make sense that you would be a GNR fan but not like Axl's musical contribution because he contributes such a large part to it.

I guess you could be a fan of the band and not like Axl on a personal level - but, none of us even know Axl personally, so it's more of his public perception and behavior he makes public that one may not like.

and pretty much this

[Tom2112]

Sorry but I disagree with you on some of your points. Axl did not steal the band name, if the band members individually signed over the name then that's it... they willingly gave it to him. That's not stealing!

Attacking Slash, well yeah! I'm pretty sure Slash is still ahead on this one, how many interviews has Slash done where he totally buried Axl? quite a few even when he was still in the band he was burying him from time to time, and then when VR started every interview I read he buried Axl. Axl's no saint (by any means) but this seems like a defense rather than retaliation or anything else.

As for not liking him, liking him as a person should have very little to do with liking his music. He's a great artist - exciting, explosive, intriguing and a great songwriter and performer. Besides all that he actually seems like a decent guy too. yes there are a quite a few stories of Axl throwing his toys out of the pram, but there's also quite a few positive stories that show he's actually a good guy.

[ITG]

Depends what you mean by "like".

It doesn't make sense that you would be a GNR fan but not like Axl's musical contribution because he contributes such a large part to it.

I guess you could be a fan of the band and not like Axl on a personal level - but, none of us even know Axl personally, so it's more of his public perception and behavior he makes public that one may not like.

None of us even know Axl personally but that doesn't mean I am precluded from "not liking" him. Anyone could name infamous historical figures that few have known personally. I know I don't like the guy. I don't really see Axl's contribution as significant enough for me to miss if he were omitted from it all. He wasn't a majority of the band. I think his songwriting leaves a lot to be desired, especially with the new music. Even then, he just wrote the lyrics and his singing above songs that were already written for him. I don't really see him as a "contributor". He's actually quite lazy in my opinion. That being said, the evils that he has done over time in stealing the band name and behaving solely for his own interest removes the admiration I could have had for him. It actually feels sinful to even respect a guy like that. There are other singers out there as well with unique voices like Vedder, Staley, Cobain. I don't think Guns N' Roses is purely dependent on Axl's voice else there would be less reason for his own fans to follow him these days.

[Damn_Smooth]

Depends what you mean by "like".

It doesn't make sense that you would be a GNR fan but not like Axl's musical contribution because he contributes such a large part to it.

I guess you could be a fan of the band and not like Axl on a personal level - but, none of us even know Axl personally, so it's more of his public perception and behavior he makes public that one may not like.

None of us even know Axl personally but that doesn't mean I am precluded from "not liking" him. Anyone could name infamous historical figures that few have known personally. I know I don't like the guy. I don't really see Axl's contribution as significant enough for me to miss if he were omitted from it all. He wasn't a majority of the band. I think his songwriting leaves a lot to be desired, especially with the new music. Even then, he just wrote the lyrics and his singing above songs that were already written for him. I don't really see him as a "contributor". He's actually quite lazy in my opinion. That being said, the evils that he has done over time in stealing the band name and behaving solely for his own interest removes the admiration I could have had for him. It actually feels sinful to even respect a guy like that. There are other singers out there as well with unique voices like Vedder, Staley, Cobain. I don't think Guns N' Roses is purely dependent on Axl's voice else there would be less reason for his own fans to follow him these days.

Too bad the general public doesn't think like you. Every song that made Guns successful was at least co-written by Axl. No Guns radio play or videos would have been a great thing for the band, right?

[ITG]

A lot of people don't like Axl's voice actually. Ask around. In my opinion his contributions to the music were minimal. You can change the lyrics and the song could be relatively the same. You can't change the music. That's my perspective.

[magisme]

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

[Damn_Smooth]

A lot of people don't like Axl's voice actually. Ask around. In my opinion his contributions to the music were minimal. You can change the lyrics and the song could be relatively the same. You can't change the music. That's my perspective.

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

Where can I get some of what you guys are on?

[magisme]

Can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't serious in the slightest. Give me some credit here.

Edited September 15, 2013 by magisme

[Damn_Smooth]

Can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't serious in the slightest. Give me some credit here.

I did know that, but if you have anything I'll take it. Something has to get rid of this fucking hangover.

[Patience 4 Axl]

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

The comment might have been made in jest, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Considering he wasn't able to replicate the success he had with the original band, even when he sounded similar to his old self and even after hiring some talented musicians to play the greatest hits, it does suggest it was more than just his voice that is responsible for how big the band once was.

[Damn_Smooth]

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

The comment might have been made in jest, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Considering he wasn't able to replicate the success he had with the original band, even when he sounded similar to his old self and even after hiring some talented musicians to play the greatest hits, it does suggest it was more than just his voice that is responsible for how big the band once was.

If that made one bit of sense, VR would have been as big as Guns was.

[DieselDaisy]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

[Roush]

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

The comment might have been made in jest, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Considering he wasn't able to replicate the success he had with the original band, even when he sounded similar to his old self and even after hiring some talented musicians to play the greatest hits, it does suggest it was more than just his voice that is responsible for how big the band once was.

True. Contraband was more successful than Chinese. And that was without the GN'R name behind them.

[Damn_Smooth]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

[magisme]

Guns would have been just as big with someone like Baz on lead vox.

:trollface:

The comment might have been made in jest, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Considering he wasn't able to replicate the success he had with the original band, even when he sounded similar to his old self and even after hiring some talented musicians to play the greatest hits, it does suggest it was more than just his voice that is responsible for how big the band once was.

You don't think that just shows that all the core members were necessary to make Guns what it was?

[Frozen Inferno]

I think axl is much more important to the rock world than slash.

would anybody really give a fuck about guns n roses now if axl didnt do the crazy things he did on stage back in the early days? i dont think so. that guy

made gnr look like real badasses just by jumping off stage and talking shit on stage. slash and the rest just arent as 'cool' as axl. admit it.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Frozen Inferno

[CoolRanchDressing]

I'm sure he continues the relentless touring out of his love for fans and his old band's music.

[Damn_Smooth]

I'm sure he continues the relentless touring out of his love for fans and his old band's music.

Is he touring? When's the next show? We should go together.

[CoolRanchDressing]

I'm sure TB will book a cluster of overpriced last minute club dates just as soon as they find another festival they haven't played in a couple years.