Is it possible to be a GN'R fan and not like Axl?

[Damn_Smooth]

I'm sure TB will book a cluster of overpriced last minute club dates just as soon as they find another festival they haven't played in a couple years.

Great! We'll be there.

[CoolRanchDressing]

Also if axl was flush with cash, he wouldn't have to stiff his band and delay their payments.

[Damn_Smooth]

Also if axl was flush with cash, he wouldn't have to stiff his band and delay their payments.

What details do we have about this again?

[CoolRanchDressing]

None you would accept.

[Damn_Smooth]

None you would accept.

Is that your way of saying that they're not credible? Or are you saying that there's nothing specific. The only source of this that I know of is the title of an email on MSL's hard drive. While I believe that is a credible source, it's not exactly rich with details. It you have more, you should be kind enough to share.

[CoolRanchDressing]

A friend of mine works on booking travel for touring bands. legal stuff or folks with criminal records traveling internationally. He talked about having to deal with the 'crazy Brazilians.' Also talked about delays in booking because a few band members weren't down to continue with more shows until they were paid for the shows they already played. But axl needed them to play those shows so he could get the cash to pay for the backlog. so eventually, the shows went ahead. This was a few years ago. But I'm sure you will refuse to believe this. Which is okay with me.

Edited September 15, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing

[Damn_Smooth]

A friend of mine works on booking travel for touring bands. legal stuff or folks with criminal records traveling internationally. He talked about having to deal with the 'crazy Brazilians.' Also talked about delays in booking because a few band members weren't down to continue with more shows until they were paid for the shows they already played. But axl needed them to play those shows so he could get the cash to pay for the backlog. so eventually, the shows went ahead. This was a few years ago. But I'm sure you will refuse to believe this. Which is okay with me.

Why would I refuse to believe it? I don't know enough about the inner workings of the band to disprove it. I will say that judging by the results, it couldn't have been that big of an issue. Everyone played and everyone is still there.

That also doesn't hint at Axl's personal wealth. Guns payroll is completely seperate from that.

[wasted]

Whats not to like?

Don't tempt me!

Axl is the anti-hero. He cast himself and the media made him the bad boy of rock n roll.

But theres hardly anything hes done thats that bad.

[SoulMonster]

Yes, it is possible to like the music of GN'R without like the persona of Axl Rose.

[DieselDaisy]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

Edited September 16, 2013 by DieselDaisy

[wasted]

I think axl is much more important to the rock world than slash.

would anybody really give a fuck about guns n roses now if axl didnt do the crazy things he did on stage back in the early days? i dont think so. that guy

made gnr look like real badasses just by jumping off stage and talking shit on stage. slash and the rest just arent as 'cool' as axl. admit it.

I wouldn't say he's more important to the world of rock. Slash is very popular in rock music. Axl is like a hurricane you're caught in which people will only be able to look back if they survive and recover. Like remember that hurricane that destroyed our house, that hurricane was awesome!

But no doubt Axl was important to record sales and the mesmerizing live shows. Only Axl can do live shows like that. Whether he knew what he was doing is another story, but between 89-92 he was gold dust for selling records. Axl has had fans and media at it for 20 years due to his way of doing things. As much as people complain about it, also they are secretly loving telling their Axl Rose stories in bios or interviews. Axl is way more of a one off than the rest of the members.

[DieselDaisy]

I can only speak from experience but when I was growing-up, in the school playground (this was about 1992) everyone liked Slash. Slash was seen as the coolest guy on the planet.

[wasted]

I can only speak from experience but when I was growing-up, in the school playground (this was about 1992) everyone liked Slash. Slash was seen as the coolest guy on the planet.

definitely is the UK, his down to earth-ness and drinking and metalhead style. He's likable.

Axl is more like a Hollywood movie star. He was like a myth in his own lifetime. My friend said Other than John Lennon, Axl is the ultimate rock star. and that was 91. That is an unbelievable rise to fame. And I think it's because he has aspects from many other rock stars from history and all that was laid out in interviews and videos in a short space of time. Like his mansion was in the videos. Rock stars live in mansions but I'd never seen one til Axl put it in a GNR video. Same with supermodels. It's like if they were manufacturing rock stars perfect for the 90s, Axl Rose would have been invented.

[ChristmasFnatic]

Love old Axl. One of the best.

New Axl is just sad and would really be laughable if Im not a GN'R fan.

[onetimer]

A lot of people don't like Axl's voice actually. Ask around. In my opinion his contributions to the music were minimal. You can change the lyrics and the song could be relatively the same. You can't change the music. That's my perspective.

...carefully with the drugs, pal ...

Riffs themselves don't make a song THE song, it's just an important part of the sound and energy,... but not the MAIN part, ...MELODY is and melody does..

750K songs go "D C G D" , and it doesn't really matter for general public on which level it's played, whether it's just chords (acoustic versions) or great riffs, the unique melody of vocals is what matters.

Any other singer could come with 15 K variations of vocals to "D C G D" in SCOM , as it could be sung in million different ways, and it wouldn't be ever that song ... Axl comes up with that unique melody and lyrics, .... you know, with the "no contribution" how you call it, that all the people around the world use 20 years to sing along.

If someone else (different singer) wrote different vocal melodies, with different lyrics, and put it with different style or in different range, it would never get so big, just as whole GN'R.

The songs would never be THE songs.

VR had 3 members of GN'R, guitar/drums/bass , and it was never closer to GN'R than any new incarnation of GN'R (just with 1 original member).

Edited September 16, 2013 by onetimer

[Damn_Smooth]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

[The Black]

Sorry but I disagree with you on some of your points. Axl did not steal the band name, if the band members individually signed over the name then that's it... they willingly gave it to him. That's not stealing!

We have a Slash and Duff saying that they were told he wouldn't perform unless they signed the name over to him. We have Izzy confirming he would be getting a paycut down to 15% and Slash and Duff were to become employees of Axl as well due to them signing over the name. He made himself the boss of a band, ungreatfully after all the music the others had provided him with. Izzy, Duff and Slash were all so fed up with Axl's behaviour that they all quit. Now what does that tell you?

[DieselDaisy]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

During the last two years, since, Team Brazil effectively killed-off Axl's United States live market (through market over-saturation). Ask yourself this: where is the profit going to come from from a half-empty bowling alley?

As for the merchandising, it is ghastly. The last show I went to, in 2012, nobody was buying it because the newband designs are so horrible.

[Damn_Smooth]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

During the last two years, since, Team Brazil effectively killed-off Axl's United States live market (through market over-saturation). Ask yourself this: where is the profit going to come from from a half-empty bowling alley?

As for the merchandising, it is ghastly. The last show I went to, in 2012, nobody was buying it because the newband designs are so horrible.

If it wasn't profitable, they simply wouldn't play here. A small amount of common sense should tell you that. Especially with the numbers they pull in in the rest of the world.

[DieselDaisy]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

During the last two years, since, Team Brazil effectively killed-off Axl's United States live market (through market over-saturation). Ask yourself this: where is the profit going to come from from a half-empty bowling alley?

As for the merchandising, it is ghastly. The last show I went to, in 2012, nobody was buying it because the newband designs are so horrible.

If it wasn't profitable, they simply wouldn't play here. A small amount of common sense should tell you that. Especially with the numbers they pull in in the rest of the world.

Oh it probably made a profit but would you place it amongst the top ten tours for profit making? No. Team Brazil have killed off their own market.

[Damn_Smooth]

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

During the last two years, since, Team Brazil effectively killed-off Axl's United States live market (through market over-saturation). Ask yourself this: where is the profit going to come from from a half-empty bowling alley?

As for the merchandising, it is ghastly. The last show I went to, in 2012, nobody was buying it because the newband designs are so horrible.

If it wasn't profitable, they simply wouldn't play here. A small amount of common sense should tell you that. Especially with the numbers they pull in in the rest of the world.

Oh it probably made a profit but would you place it amongst the top ten tours for profit making? No. Team Brazil have killed off their own market.

I sincerely doubt that any rock act placed in the top 10. I could be wrong, but rock isn't exactly a popular form of music in the US right now. Slash probably didn't crack the top 100 and he seems to be profitable enough to continue on. It's ignorant to think anybody is doing this for little to nothing.

[DieselDaisy]

Top Ten rock is what I meant.

Listen, you are going to have to explain to me how a bowling alley gig can make a profit once the overheads have been subtracted? The spin they applied to the gig: 'UCAP' while racketing up the ticket prices. Listen, this show was 2/3 full. I actually do think some of those last shows may have made a loss. It is interesting how the touring has stopped now!

In 2010 GN'R were still an arena act in the states. In 2013, they would struggle to sell out a small theatre. So this 'loads of money and chicks' thing does not really fit the present circumstances. I think most chicks would run a mile from Axl right now (they would probably go with Ashba. He seems popular with the ladies for some odd reason).

[Damn_Smooth]

Top Ten rock is what I meant.

Listen, you are going to have to explain to me how a bowling alley gig can make a profit once the overheads have been subtracted? The spin they applied to the gig: 'UCAP' while racketing up the ticket prices. Listen, this show was 2/3 full. I actually do think some of those last shows may have made a loss. It is interesting how the touring has stopped now!

In 2010 GN'R were still an arena act in the states. In 2013, they would struggle to sell out a small theatre. So this 'loads of money and chicks' thing does not really fit the present circumstances. I think most chicks would run a mile from Axl right now (they would probably go with Ashba. He seems popular with the ladies for some odd reason).

You can think all you want but common sense still dictates that nobody is doing anything for free and definitely not at a loss. I don't know what more I can do to try to help you think somewhat rationally. You keep your deluded belief that they're running around to lose money for whatever reason you have convinced yourself that they would do that, and I'll continue to sit here and wonder if paints chips really can have that type of effect on a person or if the trauma stems from something else.

[volcano62]

Top Ten rock is what I meant.

Listen, you are going to have to explain to me how a bowling alley gig can make a profit once the overheads have been subtracted? The spin they applied to the gig: 'UCAP' while racketing up the ticket prices. Listen, this show was 2/3 full. I actually do think some of those last shows may have made a loss. It is interesting how the touring has stopped now!

In 2010 GN'R were still an arena act in the states. In 2013, they would struggle to sell out a small theatre. So this 'loads of money and chicks' thing does not really fit the present circumstances. I think most chicks would run a mile from Axl right now (they would probably go with Ashba. He seems popular with the ladies for some odd reason).

Are you trying to say there wasn't 600 fans at the Brooklyn Bowl?

[jmapelian]

Yes it is since the band name is the same....ie.....the GnR that recorded afd and uyi are my favorite band of all time, but i have no love for axl or gnr post 2002 philly.

Shitloads of money? Axl was playing a half-empty bowling ally just awhile back and he has to pay about fifty band members!

He gets the majority of revenue from the classic material. You people fantasizing that he's anywhere near hurting for money are delusional. The cling-ons would have started abandoning ship already if that were anywhere near the case.

I did not say he was 'hurting for money'. I just cannot see the 'neverending tour' being a massive economic source for a variety of reasons (e.g. rapidly declining ticket sales, massive overheads). And Democracy flopped (although Axl recouped his losses via Best Buy). It does raise an interesting point here: most of Axl's cash is still generated from the 1987-93 period, through continued sales of Appetite and Greatest Hits mostly. Newgnr have been economically, unsuccessful.

So you honestly believe that Axl is going out to tour for no profit just to pay a band that really doesn't care if they tour or not. Damn, Axl must be a saint in your eyes. When did the production cost and total gate with merchandising numbers come in anyway? I can't seem to find them. Maybe you could provide a link for those of us less fortunate.

During the last two years, since, Team Brazil effectively killed-off Axl's United States live market (through market over-saturation). Ask yourself this: where is the profit going to come from from a half-empty bowling alley?

As for the merchandising, it is ghastly. The last show I went to, in 2012, nobody was buying it because the newband designs are so horrible.

Yeah, I hope gnr/axl loses money on everything he does until he decides to call it a career