If NuGNR Were Allowed to Play at the HoF, How Will Fans React in the End?

[ChristmasFnatic]

It was heavily rumored that Axl/NuGNR didnt go to the HoF cuz of differences with the HoF management. Even BBF said they couldnt come to an agreement. Some say its cuz Axl wanted NuGNR to play...

So lets say they were allowed to play... Axl and NuGNR, while original lineup + Myles played as well. How do you think will the fans make of it afterwards? Who will be praised or be talked about more?

[wfuckinga]

Had Guns N' Roses showed up, I think they could've done well like

AFD lineup: An AFD song (Jungle, SCOM, etc)

UYI lineup (with Matt and Gilby+Izzy)- a UYI song

99-13 lineup- a CD song

All together-band jam into Paradise City.

No Myles at all.

[Johnny Drama]

No one would want Axl's band at the RRHOF. What the hell does the CD-era have to with anything?

[ChristmasFnatic]

Had Guns N' Roses showed up, I think they could've done well like

AFD lineup: An AFD song (Jungle, SCOM, etc)

UYI lineup (with Matt and Gilby+Izzy)- a UYI song

99-13 lineup- a CD song

All together-band jam into Paradise City.

No Myles at all.

How was Axl's voice around that time? Cuz I wasnt paying attention.

No one would want Axl's band at the RRHOF. What the hell does the CD-era have to with anything?

Hey man, according to the polls here, CD is the most liked album!

Edited October 3, 2013 by ChristmasFnatic

[DR DOOM]

GNR weren't inducted on the back off Chinese Democracy, and even if they were the key players from that era aren't in the band anymore either...Ashba is bad taste personified as it is and seeing/hearing him get up onstage at the RNRHOF for Guns N Roses would be taking it to another level.

And on that note Pitman prancing around the stage with a tambourine during songs is bad enough at a GNR gig, what we got at the actual RNRHOF show was probably the best thing besides the AFD or UYI lineups.

[wfuckinga]

No one would want Axl's band at the RRHOF. What the hell does the CD-era have to with anything?

I would, since Chinese Democracy is Guns' best album imho

[DR DOOM]

You would be in a very small minority there, no offense.

I like the songs off of CD too, but that's not why GNR were inducted into the RNRHOF.

[ChristmasFnatic]

You would be in a very small minority there, no offense.

I like the songs off of CD too, but that's not why GNR were inducted into the RNRHOF.

Actually its not a minority. Every time there is a poll in GNR forums, CD wins... so its us who is in the minority.

[DR DOOM]

I don't really believe that though

[Johnny Drama]

Forum nerds are the minority. Its not compulsory voting in a nationwide election. Derp.

Not to mention for something to be the best GN'R album, it needs to be performed by GN'R.

[wfuckinga]

Forum nerds are the minority. Its not compulsory voting in a nationwide election. Derp.

Not to mention for something to be the best GN'R album, it needs to be performed by GN'R.

Chinese Democracy was recorded and is performed by Guns N' Roses

[Johnny Drama]

Forum nerds are the minority. Its not compulsory voting in a nationwide election. Derp.

Not to mention for something to be the best GN'R album, it needs to be performed by GN'R.

Chinese Democracy was recorded and is performed by Guns N' Roses

Packets of crisps also come in fancy packaging that have words to describe what's inside as a almost a Michelin star meal as opposed a crap bag full of deep fried potatoes

[Chunder Monkey]

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

While chinese is a great album, I think it's fair to say GNR's influence and significance to the development of rock music essentially stems from the massive popular culture impact and success of AFD and UYI. Chinese is perhaps a highlight in Axl's body of work, but GNR as a band is famous because of AFD and UYI.

I think that's self evident. If you ask a person on the street to name a GNR track it's pretty obvious they're going to go with the big radio / mtv hits of the 1980s or 1990s unless you happen to come across a real hardcore like one of us.

Intrinsically the hall of fame honours the achievements of the past rather than the future.

I really enjoy the current band, but it would be illogical to honour the new members in this fashion. The RRHOF wasn't about the chinese era and even if it were - there's a strong argument to say if that were the case we'd need to be showcasing Robin, Bucket and Paul.

I have nothing against the modern line up - great players and hopefully they'll put out some great music of their own one day - but if we're going to have an awards night to celebrate the past - then let's celebrate it with the people who did those things.

[Intercourse]

Some real nonsense here. The band were inducted because of AFD and UYI period. No amount of pained dreaming or revisionism will move that dial in the real world.

The original line up sold 100million while the nuGNR that wanted to play sold about 5% of that.

[Robert G Durant]

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

While the album itself may not have been as big as it could have been, the Chinese democracy era was a huge part of rock folklore, and will always be a huge part of GnR's legacy. I think Tommy Stinson deserved to be inducted, since he was the constant in the band for that entire debacle and has put more time into the band than Duff, Slash or Izzy did.

[Bobbo]

It has to be a significant success. Not just a significant joke story.

CD was the black sheep of "GNR's" catalog and most of the masses don't even look at it as a legit "GNR" album.

No way any of the nu guys deserved to be within 50 miles of that induction.

[DR DOOM]

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

While the album itself may not have been as big as it could have been, the Chinese democracy era was a huge part of rock folklore, and will always be a huge part of GnR's legacy. I think Tommy Stinson deserved to be inducted, since he was the constant in the band for that entire debacle and has put more time into the band than Duff, Slash or Izzy did.

Tommy and Dizzy could get big "bajillion Axl points" medallions perhaps?

[Intercourse]

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

While the album itself may not have been as big as it could have been, the Chinese democracy era was a huge part of rock folklore, and will always be a huge part of GnR's legacy. I think Tommy Stinson deserved to be inducted, since he was the constant in the band for that entire debacle and has put more time into the band than Duff, Slash or Izzy did.

What you are stating is all very local to GNR and not what the RNRHOF holds as criteria for nomination. CD was a huge part of rock folklore but failed to sell like AFD etc and is not hugely regarded by the general public. Your point about Tommy while true, would be of absolutely no interest to the vast majority of the music world and especially the RNRHOF. The man got a nice job and has done it well - not sure how that warrants a place in a Hall of Fame.

[username]

I'm sorry but when you'd let classic guns AND new guns play at the same gig, everybody except Volcano would probably only show up for the classic band. New GnR could only make themselves look silly AND they're not being inducted AND they're not what people came to see there. It's not their accomplishment or their honour.

What are they going to do? Open? Nah... that'd be silly. Close? Hell no! That's for the inductee. And a giant jam? Yeah right! The stage wouldn't even fit so many people and it'd sound horrible. As much as Axl doesn't like it - HOF wasn't about what he turned GnR in to. As much as I respect the musicians in new gnr (except Ashba, of course) they have accomplished next to nothing as a band. Even CD was ore Bucket, Finck and Paul than current members.

It's like inducting for example Pink Floyd and having a Pink Floyd cover band play as well. Completely senseless.

Edited October 3, 2013 by username

[Chunder Monkey]

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

While the album itself may not have been as big as it could have been, the Chinese democracy era was a huge part of rock folklore, and will always be a huge part of GnR's legacy. I think Tommy Stinson deserved to be inducted, since he was the constant in the band for that entire debacle and has put more time into the band than Duff, Slash or Izzy did.

Of it's definitely a part of rock folklore - sadly mostly for the wrong reasons - like the expense, delay, and eccentricities of the project - and I do believe that songwriting wise it's a good album - but I suspect it's part of the legacy the way Neverland was part of Michael Jackson's legacy. It's an anecdote told to further the mythology behind the star. You know - Axl Rose - who we all saw as one of the great frontmen of the 1980s/90s - but who starts a new band under the same name, becomes a recluse, builds a chickencoop for his guitarist, spends a billion dollars and a billon years just to make 1 album and all that stuff. It's the kooky thing axl did *after he was already a star* - which is what makes it at all interesting.

Put it another way:

If I spend 15 years and $10 Million on a record - does rolling stone give a shit? No. They give a shit because Axl's already famous.

If Axl had tragically died in a plane accident in 1996 before the whole CD saga really got rolling...would GNR be inducted?

Yep...because for hall of fame purposes it's all about AFD and to a lesser extent UYI.

[ChristmasFnatic]

I don't really believe that though

At first I thought people were kidding too, esp since Im a member of several forums and know these. But most were serious, CD >>> AFD.

It's like inducting for example Pink Floyd and having a Pink Floyd cover band play as well. Completely senseless.

Or like Droz being inducted as part of Legion of Doom?

[trqster]

HOF went down almost perfectly besides the absence of both Izzy and Asl. It's unfortunately as good as it gets... I was happy enough as a Gn'R fan.

NuGn'R is just Axl's band and his current employees (a word that Axl has used in the past...), it has nothing to do with the real deal.

[MEXzilla]

Shit I felt insulted that "employee of the year since 96"dizzy reed was inducted now if that garbage known as NuGnR would play lmao, wow this forum.

[Crash Diet]

There's no point for NuGNR to play there
They're not inducted, that "honor" goes to the classic lineup

[gunnari]

Anyone who thinks that nuGnR should've been inducted is deluded..The general public views CD as Axl's solo record and his "GnR" members as hired hands..I would've been furious if they inducted nuGnR..They have 1 album and they tour as nostalgic act..Most people don't like chinese democracy..they just don't..At GnR gigs old songs get the high praise not CD songs..I have witnessed this many times..