If NuGNR Were Allowed to Play at the HoF, How Will Fans React in the End?

[wasted]

Stop trolling Volcano, it gets tiring after a while. Like it or not Slash and Duff played on AFD, Lies and UYI, the albums that made Guns N Roses famous and worthy of entering the rock n roll hall of fame.

$la$hole had no reason accepting an award for a band that he hasn't been a part of for 17 years. If Slash doesn't want to talk about GN'R because he hasn't been in the band for 17 years, he shouldn't want to accept an award for that band that's dead to him.

What does $la$hole mean?

So in your "world"......Slash shouldn't accept an award for music that he helped write and that he helped make famous...............but DJ should be inducted as a member of GnR, even though he didn't create ONE note of music for any GnR album, and he makes his living with GnR playing other people's music?

Put your weird obsession with hating Slash aside and just look at it logically. The guys who created the iconic albums deserved to go in the hall of fame.

The sad thing on your part is that if you asked DJ and BBF if THEY THEMSELVES think they belong in the Hall of Fame under the GnR name, I'd bet money they would say "Nope, not until we create music as good as what the classic line-up did."

Are you capable of discussing GnR in a mature, intelligent manner without all the idiotic Axl-vs-Slash bs?

Thing is slash quit on his band, friends and fans. At least dj and the the rest of guns n roses are still out there playing the music we love and keeping he name alive. It's not like the old guys had any intentions of keeping our favorite band going. Besides what we have today is a much more mature, professional, polished version of GNR and they are much more precise in a live setting.

They may be more "polished and precise" but they are missing the swagger that Guns used to have, and I'll take old Guns swagger anytime over what's being offered now.

Axl has swagger, the old guys had stagger.

[luvaxl4ever]

Or gotten together and written a Fuck Off letter like The Sex Pistols did

Or Axl could have put his PERSONAL grudges aside and dedicated the night to the MILLIONS OF GNR FANS who filled his bank account...........but ya, I suppose the fans shouldn't have been part of the equation at all.

Only on this forum do die-hard fans of a singer think that NOT playing (or putting out albums, or doing interviews) is a good thing.

"Everybody here knows that this guy to my right and I can't stand each other and after this event, we probably won't speak again for the next 10 years......but for the next 15 minutes we're gonna give the fans what they've been begging for for the last 15 years.........dooo you know where the fucccckkkkkkkkk you arrrrrrrrrrre????????"

Groghan the problem is the people that were inducted are not GNR.

Really? Then why is it when I look at my GNR albums, its the people that were inducted whose names and pictures appear on them? Those guys will ALWAYS be GNR. Last time I checked it wasn't bumble, dj or any of these other new guys that wrote the music GUNS was inducted for.

[wfuckinga]

Stop trolling Volcano, it gets tiring after a while. Like it or not Slash and Duff played on AFD, Lies and UYI, the albums that made Guns N Roses famous and worthy of entering the rock n roll hall of fame.

$la$hole had no reason accepting an award for a band that he hasn't been a part of for 17 years. If Slash doesn't want to talk about GN'R because he hasn't been in the band for 17 years, he shouldn't want to accept an award for that band that's dead to him.

What does $la$hole mean?

So in your "world"......Slash shouldn't accept an award for music that he helped write and that he helped make famous...............but DJ should be inducted as a member of GnR, even though he didn't create ONE note of music for any GnR album, and he makes his living with GnR playing other people's music?

Put your weird obsession with hating Slash aside and just look at it logically. The guys who created the iconic albums deserved to go in the hall of fame.

The sad thing on your part is that if you asked DJ and BBF if THEY THEMSELVES think they belong in the Hall of Fame under the GnR name, I'd bet money they would say "Nope, not until we create music as good as what the classic line-up did."

Are you capable of discussing GnR in a mature, intelligent manner without all the idiotic Axl-vs-Slash bs?

Thing is slash quit on his band, friends and fans. At least dj and the the rest of guns n roses are still out there playing the music we love and keeping he name alive. It's not like the old guys had any intentions of keeping our favorite band going. Besides what we have today is a much more mature, professional, polished version of GNR and they are much more precise in a live setting.

Pretty much this. Slash, Izzy, Duff, Matt....4/5 of the guys inducted walked out on the band, their friends and their fans. Axl didn't. Axl is keeping the name alive and doing a damn good job of it.

[WhazUp]

Thing is slash quit on his band, friends and fans. At least dj and the the rest of guns n roses are still out there playing the music we love and keeping he name alive. It's not like the old guys had any intentions of keeping our favorite band going. Besides what we have today is a much more mature, professional, polished version of GNR and they are much more precise in a live setting.

The whole "Slash quit ON his fans and his band and his freinds" is something that really isn't a true representation of the situation back then. Not in the slightest, it is most definately a slanted rhetoric to hold on to.

If you like what they are currently doing that's cool, I too think that current band is really talented has potential. But you can put spin on it with the "mature, professional, polished" thing but that does not equate to "better" - especially when you only have one guy left in the band who really played a substantial part in writing the tunes that made GNR so big in the first place and when the original guys had what is considered by many, many, many people (the majority of GNR fans if you will) to be such a special combination of musicans that is really drives that point you are making to be redundant.

I know you have said again and again "Axl doesn't owe us anything" but why is it all the sudden different regarding Slash leaving the band? He didn't owe us his presence in the band, he didn't quite ON us (the fans) so insinuating that Slash "quite on his fans" is not an apt slant against the man.

Edited October 5, 2013 by WhazUp

[Powerage5]

Stop trolling Volcano, it gets tiring after a while. Like it or not Slash and Duff played on AFD, Lies and UYI, the albums that made Guns N Roses famous and worthy of entering the rock n roll hall of fame.

$la$hole had no reason accepting an award for a band that he hasn't been a part of for 17 years. If Slash doesn't want to talk about GN'R because he hasn't been in the band for 17 years, he shouldn't want to accept an award for that band that's dead to him.

Please knock it off with the $la$h stuff. These are the types of pointless insults we're trying to kick to the curb.

[Bards]

Or gotten together and written a Fuck Off letter like The Sex Pistols did

Or Axl could have put his PERSONAL grudges aside and dedicated the night to the MILLIONS OF GNR FANS who filled his bank account...........but ya, I suppose the fans shouldn't have been part of the equation at all.

Only on this forum do die-hard fans of a singer think that NOT playing (or putting out albums, or doing interviews) is a good thing.

"Everybody here knows that this guy to my right and I can't stand each other and after this event, we probably won't speak again for the next 10 years......but for the next 15 minutes we're gonna give the fans what they've been begging for for the last 15 years.........dooo you know where the fucccckkkkkkkkk you arrrrrrrrrrre????????"

Say you had a wife who you got a divorce from. Then 20 years later your marriage gets an award from the old peoples home she works at. She wants you to appear with her at ceremony with her to relive the old days. Your new 23 year old co ed girlfriend doesnt want you to go what do you do?

That is quite possibly the worst, most far-flung analogy ever. Not just in the GNR realm. Ever.

That aside, I don't understand the argument that Axl would be "harming" the new band in any way by showing up at the HOF and jamming with the old band for 15 minutes. Most people in the world, right or wrong, view Axl an asshole. Talented, but an asshole. That's just the way it is. If he makes nice with the old guys for one night and says thank you to the fans in front of an international audience, guess what happens? He doesn't look like an asshole. He looks like a good guy. He becomes a little more relatable. He can even plug the hell out of the new band and CD during his speech, he'd be entitled to that. The perception that comes out of the event becomes "Axl seemed like a cool guy, it was great to see him and Slash together again. Wonder what's up with that new band he was talking about?" rather than "What a fucking baby, wouldn't even show up to collect an award. Hope he stays hidden."

The other key point in "harming" the new band would be that the new band would actually have to be doing something in order to be harmed, but that probably goes without saying.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Bards

[wfuckinga]

Or gotten together and written a Fuck Off letter like The Sex Pistols did

Or Axl could have put his PERSONAL grudges aside and dedicated the night to the MILLIONS OF GNR FANS who filled his bank account...........but ya, I suppose the fans shouldn't have been part of the equation at all.

Only on this forum do die-hard fans of a singer think that NOT playing (or putting out albums, or doing interviews) is a good thing.

"Everybody here knows that this guy to my right and I can't stand each other and after this event, we probably won't speak again for the next 10 years......but for the next 15 minutes we're gonna give the fans what they've been begging for for the last 15 years.........dooo you know where the fucccckkkkkkkkk you arrrrrrrrrrre????????"

Say you had a wife who you got a divorce from. Then 20 years later your marriage gets an award from the old peoples home she works at. She wants you to appear with her at ceremony with her to relive the old days. Your new 23 year old co ed girlfriend doesnt want you to go what do you do?

This

[wasted]

The problem is the slant or pisition they have taken can be misinterpreted. Slash seemed to leave for health reasons. Then later started blaming Axl. I guess because he didnt agree with Axl being crazy enough to carry on without them.

[Chunder Monkey]

Pretty much this. Slash, Izzy, Duff, Matt....4/5 of the guys inducted walked out on the band, their friends and their fans. Axl didn't. Axl is keeping the name alive and doing a damn good job of it.

Actually it was Axl who quit.

Axl was in the GNR partnership with the others, and they had equal rights, except the documents stated that the name was Axl's.

So he QUIT that partnership and disbanded it.

Then he formed a new band with himself as sole partner and offered the old members positions in the band as employees with no say. He named this new entity GNR as he had the right to do.

Then over time the other guys got fed up with the other nonsense that continues to this day and quit.

But it's inaccurate to say they quit from their friends and the biggest band in the world, Axl had already disbanded that monster in favour of his new project (with the same name) that had an entirely different power structure and had the stated agenda of pursuing music in a different genre.

I can understand the reasons all sides did what they did, but to characterise the old band as "quitters" when someone else had entirely bastardised the operation first is absurd.

Bottom line is the person who changed the structure that had delivered us AFD, Lies and UYI was Axl.

[Chunder Monkey]

Say you had a wife who you got a divorce from. Then 20 years later your marriage gets an award from the old peoples home she works at. She wants you to appear with her at ceremony with her to relive the old days. Your new 23 year old co ed girlfriend doesnt want you to go what do you do?

I don't agree with that analogy because there's no suggestion the new band didn't want Axl to appear.

People like DJ and Bumble respect the achievements of the old band and I'm sure if it had been Axl's wish to appear then they wouldn't have been offended like a new wife might be.

To adapt your scenario:

AFD and UYI are the children of Axl's first marriage. Chinese Democracy is the child of his second (and some would say also third) relationship.

A ceremony is held to honour Axl's first two kids who have turned 25 and are recognised in society - and his ex-wife is going to be there.

The rumour says Axl will only go if they will bestow the same honour on his 5 year old and let his second wife make a speech.

Sorry but it makes no sense.

[Chunder Monkey]

You know what would have been nice?

If they couldn't sort out the performance side of it...then if they'd all come and just not had a performance...or get like Avenged Sevenfold or some modern band that's inspired by them to play an AFD song in tribute or something.

The new guys could be in the audience as the modern version taking it forward, people from the others solo projects could be in the audience as guests and stuff.

Then they could have given speeches basically saying how even though they've all gone separate ways and don't want to reform or play together they recognise that at one time they did something special.

Like that video at a bar where a modern axl is telling funny stories about Slash....they could have given speeches of that nature rather than even address the bullshit....just like refer to the old times and focus on the good not the negative for once....

But for some reason the thing seemed to be looked at like "we have to have a full reunion and reboot the band or nothing".

I don't see why it couldn't have had a historical focus that once these people were friends and workmates and they did great stuff, but now they have new jobs.

[1980Invasion]

My two favorite bands G'n'R & Van Halen have so damn many similarities it's maddening ! Can't wait til they pair em up on a colossal trainwreck North American tour.

[wasted]

Say you had a wife who you got a divorce from. Then 20 years later your marriage gets an award from the old peoples home she works at. She wants you to appear with her at ceremony with her to relive the old days. Your new 23 year old co ed girlfriend doesnt want you to go what do you do?

I don't agree with that analogy because there's no suggestion the new band didn't want Axl to appear.

People like DJ and Bumble respect the achievements of the old band and I'm sure if it had been Axl's wish to appear then they wouldn't have been offended like a new wife might be.

To adapt your scenario:

AFD and UYI are the children of Axl's first marriage. Chinese Democracy is the child of his second (and some would say also third) relationship.

A ceremony is held to honour Axl's first two kids who have turned 25 and are recognised in society - and his ex-wife is going to be there.

The rumour says Axl will only go if they will bestow the same honour on his 5 year old and let his second wife make a speech.

Sorry but it makes no sense.

Slash was quoted as saying he was ok with Axl not coming it meant he could do something he wanted.

It wasnt until Axl said he wasnt that slash said he would.

I agree Axl just didnt want to see the ex again. Even if the new one was up for a threeway.

It was in the end a difficult situation. Axl stepped aside he could showed and it be a complete nightmare.

Edited October 6, 2013 by wasted

[wfuckinga]

Why are we still discussing the HOF over a year later though? It was a disaster, why don't we just leave it at that?

[wasted]

Good point. Until tomorrow.

[Chunder Monkey]

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It wasnt until Axl said he wasnt that slash said he would.

I think Slash was worried about how awkward it would be if he saw Axl for the first time in 15 years or whatever it is there with no prior meeting.

Here's what he said:

"My whole thing was that I really, in my heart of hearts, wanted to have the whole original band get together and actually perform, which I sort of knew was wishful thinking. When the whole thing first came up, that’s basically what I wanted to do. It became apparent that that wasn’t going to happen. I was like, "Oh fuck," and I was sort of disillusioned with the whole thing, but there was that commitment that was sort of made that I was going to go, and I thought Axl was still going to go, and it wasn’t until the last minute that I heard that he wasn’t coming, and that’s when we all decided we were just going to go ahead and play anyway. Early on, when it was probably more confusing than necessary, I have to admit, I was like, "Oh fuck, I don’t really want to go to this if we’re not going to play," though I never said, "No, I’m not going to go." But it was sort of a black cloud for a few months there. Before that I thought we were just going to show up and not play, which is what I was resigned to."

(source http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-slash-on-closing-the-book-on-guns-n-roses-at-the-hall-of-fame-20120425#ixzz2gvBKsJsn )

[MYWIFEMYLIFE]

Rrhof is a joke, but apart from that, it goes to the old line up not the cd-era one. Slash took this opp to promote himself as always, that was ugly. I'd love to see'm perform with Duff on vocals, and it would be a nite to remember, but the thing they did was ugly and sad. I'm with Izz and Axl for not being there too, but general audience blaming only Axl for not being there is pathetic.

Anyway I'd love to see'm all perform with all the line ups, something I'll never have.

[wasted]

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It wasnt until Axl said he wasnt that slash said he would.

I think Slash was worried about how awkward it would be if he saw Axl for the first time in 15 years or whatever it is there with no prior meeting.

Here's what he said:

"My whole thing was that I really, in my heart of hearts, wanted to have the whole original band get together and actually perform, which I sort of knew was wishful thinking. When the whole thing first came up, thats basically what I wanted to do. It became apparent that that wasnt going to happen. I was like, "Oh fuck," and I was sort of disillusioned with the whole thing, but there was that commitment that was sort of made that I was going to go, and I thought Axl was still going to go, and it wasnt until the last minute that I heard that he wasnt coming, and thats when we all decided we were just going to go ahead and play anyway. Early on, when it was probably more confusing than necessary, I have to admit, I was like, "Oh fuck, I dont really want to go to this if were not going to play," though I never said, "No, Im not going to go." But it was sort of a black cloud for a few months there. Before that I thought we were just going to show up and not play, which is what I was resigned to."

(source http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-slash-on-closing-the-book-on-guns-n-roses-at-the-hall-of-fame-20120425#ixzz2gvBKsJsn )

thats not the quote Im refering to, but its close enough.

The idea to play together was best. My idea was that that could only happen if they let new GNR play too.

Maybe Axls criteria was Slash cant be there that would be a different kind of shitstorm.

Hof became a victim of the oppositution to Axl taking the name. And I mean if he is as bad as they say then maybe he shouldnt be there.

If he stole band away from me and I had stroke bcos of it. Hed better run.

Thats why I dont believe them. very inconsistent.

[ChristmasFnatic]

Why are we still discussing the HOF over a year later though? It was a disaster, why don't we just leave it at that?

By that logic, we dont have anything to talk about here.

[Kapitch_77]

Rrhof is a joke, but apart from that, it goes to the old line up not the cd-era one. Slash took this opp to promote himself as always, that was ugly. I'd love to see'm perform with Duff on vocals, and it would be a nite to remember, but the thing they did was ugly and sad. I'm with Izz and Axl for not being there too, but general audience blaming only Axl for not being there is pathetic.

Anyway I'd love to see'm all perform with all the line ups, something I'll never have.

Yeah, I still can't believe he talked about Nothing Left to Fear and Apocalyptic Love during his speach.