Snowmass Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Marc- post say 1998 (give em the 5 yr break from 1993-1998)- when were we closest to having the stars all align and have a reunited Guns? And along those lines when was the worst time? And where are we now? *by worst time I mean when was the 'no way in hell' time period (or is it now). Basically- has it been all ice or have we had any warming periods between Axl/Slash? Thx again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) The best chance was in 1996 when they were trying to work it out and Izzy was even back. I don't think there was a time after that. However in 2001 Axl was still willing to have Slash play on 3 songs if Slash would first apologized for all the things that Axl felt he did to him and or said about him and go public with it. I also think that maybe Axl would have shown up at the Hall of Fame is Slash first would have done what Axl would like to see which is a big apologize. That would not mean there would be a reunion, it would just mean that there is a much better chance that they could be in the same room together.The worst time would have been 2008. Edited October 8, 2013 by recklessroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carne_asaDA Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Refresh my memory. What happened in 1996 that made it all collapse? Is that when Axl was still trying to force a second lead guitar player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I don't know but I told Axl at the time that they should all go to an empty room/studio just the band and jam. Work on songs together like they used to do back in 1985/86. They didn't do it and as you already know it fell apart. I know Izzy had a shit load of songs all the band had to do was rip them apart and build on them. I don't know if Paul had anything to do with that not working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 What was "the band" in '96? Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Dizzy, Matt... maybe Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Marc, what made 2008 so bad? Anything besides the release of Chinese Democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I don't know but I told Axl at the time that they should all go to an empty room/studio just the band and jam. Work on songs together like they used to do back in 1985/86. They didn't do it and as you already know it fell apart. I know Izzy had a shit load of songs all the band had to do was rip them apart and build on them. I don't know if Paul had anything to do with that not working out.Good question. I've always wondered what role Paul played in 95-96 while Axl & Slash were trying to hash things out. Was he in the band at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I think Slash took Gilby's departure at heart too much cause he was probably thinking that he could be the one writting songs with Axl if Gilby wasn't gonna cut it on the writing and if Izzy wasn't going to be in the band. Then Axl fired Gilby and brought Paul Tobias, and he immediately got "promoted" to be his writting mate. I think that had to do with a lot of it. From then on Slash saw Paul as his competitor and not his bandmate, and they probably didn't get along because of that.Also, Slash wanted to have more "creative control" in the band and Paul coming to the band completely ruined that from happening.In the end i bet Axl regrets a lot that he didn't trust Slash to be his writting mate. He might have not felt confortable since they weren't on the best of terms during that time, but i bet he regrets it. Actually when Slash was doing Snakepit, he asked Slash for some of his songs (the regret) but it was too late, as the Snakepit album was ready to be in stores with those songs. That interview with Kurt Loder in 1999 says a lot. You can clearly see that by then he was biting his tongue for not trusting Slash a bit more.I think it was timing as well. Had Izzy cameback before Tobias was brought in, the whole break up probably wouldn't have happened. Edited October 8, 2013 by AndreCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymity Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Marc, wasn't Izzy clean by that time? Do you think he would have handle the band's lifestyle even if only as a studio member? From what I know, this was the time that Duff had health problems and probably Slash and Matt were consuming now and then. When VR talks with Izzy were going, I think things stood differently than in 95-96 and he might have been more serious about joining a band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 No, Izzy wanted to make music with them both times. When I talked to Izzy in 2007, it was all about keeping it real like they did in 1985/1986. He liked the way they put together music back then. I know it didn't work out in 1996 because the band were not on the same page but when putting VR together< they were as far as the music but they were not as far as touring and the other things that come with being the frontman in the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Marc, what made 2008 so bad? Anything besides the release of Chinese Democracy?Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I think the worse period was 2005-06 when Slash and Duff hammered Axl with two lawsuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Marc, what made 2008 so bad? Anything besides the release of Chinese Democracy?Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I don't know for sure but it could have had something to do with Slash's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I wonder what Izzy made of Paul being in GNR, I can't imagine he was happy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Apparently he just made a bunch of demos with Duff: Duff called Izzy up and asked him to help out and together they made about 12 demos in two weeks. The 1994-96 period is very confusing. I have tried to make sense of it but it is still very sketchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Having Slash playing on only 3 songs doesn't seem to reasonable to me...I think it would have worked out if Izzy cameback, i feel that at that time Axl was not very reasonable as Slash didn't say anything that bad in the press during that time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Slash would have played on all the songs but Axl only liked 3 or 4 songs that Slash came up with. So that would mean that they would have to come up with some different songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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