Snowmass Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Marc- does Axl want a full on public apology by Slash or would he be more appreciative of a private sit down/hash it all out apology/rekindling of things? And if the latter how would Slash even get past TB to contact Axl? Thx again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Full on public apology. See I think that Axl thinks the press and the fans have always sided with Slash and this way they would see that Slash was the one who was wrong.The problem is it will never happen. If there is some things that Slash did wrong, the way to fix it would be in private using good counseling. Then they would both see why the other one is upset and have a better understanding on what they may have done wrong and then you would get some kind of public apology most likely from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Full on public apology. See I think that Axl thinks the press and the fans have always sided with Slash and this way they would see that Slash was the one who was wrong.The problem is it will never happen. If there is some things that Slash did wrong, the way to fix it would be in private using good counseling. Then they would both see why the other one is upset and have a better understanding on what they may have done wrong and then you would get some kind of public apology most likely from both sides. Does it really matter any more? After so long why is it so important that people want them to be friends again? I guess financial reasons for songwriting & recording songs they might need permission from the other, I don't know. I still don't know the reason for their split even after reading 3 books, all I know is Slash lied but what about? If he publicly did it then why didn't Axl defend himself? They don't seem to be interested in sorting it out, it's the fans of the original band that want it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderScott Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Marc have you ever had a serious chat with Slash to see if he would consider it? I'm not talking about a total take-the-blame kind of apology because that would be nonsense, but maybe a public explanation of sadness for the decline in their professional and personal relationship, with an acknowledgement of some responsibility for how it all went down? That way opening up the pathway for further talks in the hope Axl would also acknowledge some ownership of the problems between them???Also, what kind of a public apology would satisfy Axl do you think? Like a full interview with Rolling Stone Magazine? Some kind of talk show? YouTube ? A combination of a few different media vehicles?I wish so bad that these two could mend their personal relationship Forget a reunion, I like what they are both doing but to see them get along would be really cool... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) The problem is they both blame each other for what went wrong. So why would anyone one of them give an a apology to the other. Thats why if they had some good counseling, they might see what the other one was thinking and they might see what mistakes were made and then they might be able to forgive each other although a few years ago Slash was willing to forgive what his beef was and move on in some kind of way with the old lineup for the sake of doing some gigs but either way I think they both really need to work with a counselor so they could get over the things that they are still holding on to regarding the past. I don't think Axl would ever be able to forgive Slash without really knowing what Slash was going through at the time and the only way he can find out is with counseling. I don't see them doing that so I don't ever see them working together again with out that.I think Axl would want an apology that was very public. I don't think it would matter on where he did it, just as long as the world could find out about it. Edited October 9, 2013 by recklessroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does Axl want to hear Slash say "I'm sorry that Axl misunderstood or misinterpreted some of the things I said...and looking back some of what i said was wrong. For that I'm sorry Axl". Or does he want more of a detailed apology along the lines of "I apologize to Axl for when I said (insert) and when I said (insert) I was just plain out of line" etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoke Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does Axl want to hear Slash say "I'm sorry that Axl misunderstood or misinterpreted some of the things I said...and looking back some of what i said was wrong. For that I'm sorry Axl". Or does he want more of a detailed apology along the lines of "I apologize to Axl for when I said (insert) and when I said (insert) I was just plain out of line" etc.... Something along these lines maybe?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5UG7ISJfP0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Full on public apology. See I think that Axl thinks the press and the fans have always sided with Slash and this way they would see that Slash was the one who was wrong.The problem is it will never happen. If there is some things that Slash did wrong, the way to fix it would be in private using good counseling. Then they would both see why the other one is upset and have a better understanding on what they may have done wrong and then you would get some kind of public apology most likely from both sides. Does it really matter any more? After so long why is it so important that people want them to be friends again? I guess financial reasons for songwriting & recording songs they might need permission from the other, I don't know. I still don't know the reason for their split even after reading 3 books, all I know is Slash lied but what about? If he publicly did it then why didn't Axl defend himself? They don't seem to be interested in sorting it out, it's the fans of the original band that want it more.I tend to think Axl doesn't ever say anything in public because the press really loves to hound him. In the way the media simplifies everything, they've made Axl this almost cartoonish bad guy. It's always his fault everyone quit, he was so dictatorial with the old band that everyone left, he was slaving away in a recording studio for decades, making his most perfect masterpiece, etc.He's definitely guilty of things that helped cause the disintegration of the original lineup, but given how the press twists things, edits them down and, really, has already decided Slash is right, he probably doesn't trust how things will go if he does speak out.Axl is probably a little paranoid in thinking everyone is against him, but the sad thing is, he's not entirely wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does Axl want to hear Slash say "I'm sorry that Axl misunderstood or misinterpreted some of the things I said...and looking back some of what i said was wrong. For that I'm sorry Axl". Or does he want more of a detailed apology along the lines of "I apologize to Axl for when I said (insert) and when I said (insert) I was just plain out of line" etc.... detailed apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does Axl want to hear Slash say "I'm sorry that Axl misunderstood or misinterpreted some of the things I said...and looking back some of what i said was wrong. For that I'm sorry Axl". Or does he want more of a detailed apology along the lines of "I apologize to Axl for when I said (insert) and when I said (insert) I was just plain out of line" etc.... detailed apologyFrustrating.....no way Slash will go down that road. He probably doesn't even remember half the stuff he said or in what context etc.... Thanks again Marc!... best part of Mygnr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lim666 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 even if Slash would do such a thing, Axl would take months afterwards analyzing it into the very detail and then still being upset because of like some old beers he had to pay for Slash in the mid 80s and Slash didnt excuse for. Slash absolutely cant win much if anything here. it's more up to Axl making peace, and the whole rock fans tend to be on this side, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I know Axl brought about a lot of the bad media publicity in the early years but is he still so paranoid now? He knows how much people want to meet him & you see the videos of people crowding around to get a photo, autograph & a chat. Doesn't that make him realise the media doesn't matter, the only people who believe it are those that aren't fans & in reality he is the focal point of gnr - always was & always will be?Marc you would have an insight into what Axl thought about the fans who wanted to meet him desperately & still do, do you think he was vain when young & feels less secure now he's older? Or does he understand that he is an idol to many & having his own idols throughout his life he knows what it means to fans to get a photo & just talk to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Would Axl be willing to do the same? Slash may have said some things he shouldn't have but Axl played a role in the demise of the band too. Would he stand up and own his mistakes or acknowledge his actions also led to the break up of the original band?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I know Axl brought about a lot of the bad media publicity in the early years but is he still so paranoid now? He knows how much people want to meet him & you see the videos of people crowding around to get a photo, autograph & a chat. Doesn't that make him realise the media doesn't matter, the only people who believe it are those that aren't fans & in reality he is the focal point of gnr - always was & always will be?Marc you would have an insight into what Axl thought about the fans who wanted to meet him desperately & still do, do you think he was vain when young & feels less secure now he's older? Or does he understand that he is an idol to many & having his own idols throughout his life he knows what it means to fans to get a photo & just talk to him?Axl does what he can to stop and talk with the fans when they find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) I know Axl brought about a lot of the bad media publicity in the early years but is he still so paranoid now? He knows how much people want to meet him & you see the videos of people crowding around to get a photo, autograph & a chat. Doesn't that make him realise the media doesn't matter, the only people who believe it are those that aren't fans & in reality he is the focal point of gnr - always was & always will be?Marc you would have an insight into what Axl thought about the fans who wanted to meet him desperately & still do, do you think he was vain when young & feels less secure now he's older? Or does he understand that he is an idol to many & having his own idols throughout his life he knows what it means to fans to get a photo & just talk to him?Axl does what he can to stop and talk with the fans when they find him.If true (I've never heard/read otherwise) that's cool. I hate dbag celebs who 'don't have time' for the fans. Kudos to Axl for that.... Edited October 10, 2013 by Snowmass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 You would likely have seen the videos of him rushing to a concert but stopping for photos & signing things until Vanessa steps in & says to him "we gotta go" - unlike some who have heavies around them pushing them to a car when they're maybe not in a hurry to get somewhere. At one stage he signed something & then Vanessa says 'no no no' so it seems he may have been going to sign more but it's been her job to get him in the car & to the concert so as not to make him late & unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I once saw him play the piano in the lobby of the hotel for about 30 fans that were waiting around. He hung around for about 20 minutes and signed their stuff too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 I once saw him play the piano in the lobby of the hotel for about 30 fans that were waiting around. He hung around for about 20 minutes and signed their stuff too. That would be priceless. I heard a story from back in the UYI tour that they would occasionally hit up a local small dive bar and play acoustically (specifically Mpls back in '92)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I once saw him play the piano in the lobby of the hotel for about 30 fans that were waiting around. He hung around for about 20 minutes and signed their stuff too. Saw or rather heard that on youtube - couldn't see him but could hear the piano. Played for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Axl basically wants to be painted as the good guy publicly.He has been painted as the bad guy by all the press.The thing is, i really genuinely think that even though Axl might have a point or two, he still WAS/IS the "bad guy" in all of this. He still WAS/IS the main responsible for the break up, no matter what state of health the other members were in and no matter how hard it was to deal with it. Edited October 10, 2013 by AndreCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderScott Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I know Axl brought about a lot of the bad media publicity in the early years but is he still so paranoid now? He knows how much people want to meet him & you see the videos of people crowding around to get a photo, autograph & a chat. Doesn't that make him realise the media doesn't matter, the only people who believe it are those that aren't fans & in reality he is the focal point of gnr - always was & always will be?Marc you would have an insight into what Axl thought about the fans who wanted to meet him desperately & still do, do you think he was vain when young & feels less secure now he's older? Or does he understand that he is an idol to many & having his own idols throughout his life he knows what it means to fans to get a photo & just talk to him?Axl does what he can to stop and talk with the fans when they find him.If true (I've never heard/read otherwise) that's cool. I hate dbag celebs who 'don't have time' for the fans. Kudos to Axl for that....Last time I saw Slash play he met fans and signed stuff for hours after the gig outside the gates - that was really cool of him and he was totally nice and classy about it. I think Steve and Duff are pretty good to fans too. Unfortunately Axl is a lot harder to even get near to be able to say hello to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessroad Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That is because the people around him are over protective but he you get him alone he will hang out and talk. Also sometimes it's because he is already late to where he has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That is because the people around him are over protective but he you get him alone he will hang out and talk. Also sometimes it's because he is already late to where he has to be.I think the people that are with him (The Lebeis and Del) are extremely possessive, and i feel they're beggars and hangers and just want to continue to exploit and take advantage of Axl's career. But it is my personal opinion.I think they have done nothing but prejudicate Axl in every single way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Full on public apology. See I think that Axl thinks the press and the fans have always sided with Slash and this way they would see that Slash was the one who was wrong.The problem is it will never happen. If there is some things that Slash did wrong, the way to fix it would be in private using good counseling. Then they would both see why the other one is upset and have a better understanding on what they may have done wrong and then you would get some kind of public apology most likely from both sides. Does it really matter any more? After so long why is it so important that people want them to be friends again? I guess financial reasons for songwriting & recording songs they might need permission from the other, I don't know. I still don't know the reason for their split even after reading 3 books, all I know is Slash lied but what about? If he publicly did it then why didn't Axl defend himself? They don't seem to be interested in sorting it out, it's the fans of the original band that want it more.I tend to think Axl doesn't ever say anything in public because the press really loves to hound him. In the way the media simplifies everything, they've made Axl this almost cartoonish bad guy. It's always his fault everyone quit, he was so dictatorial with the old band that everyone left, he was slaving away in a recording studio for decades, making his most perfect masterpiece, etc.He's definitely guilty of things that helped cause the disintegration of the original lineup, but given how the press twists things, edits them down and, really, has already decided Slash is right, he probably doesn't trust how things will go if he does speak out.Axl is probably a little paranoid in thinking everyone is against him, but the sad thing is, he's not entirely wrong.Point is, these days he can say whatever he wants without the use of the media. The power of internet. No middlemen necessary.So if he wanted to state his point, nothing easier. I and many others, I am sure, would love to know his point of view. Too bad he decided to keep quiet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The problem is they both blame each other for what went wrong. So why would anyone one of them give an a apology to the other. Thats why if they had some good counseling, they might see what the other one was thinking and they might see what mistakes were made and then they might be able to forgive each other although a few years ago Slash was willing to forgive what his beef was and move on in some kind of way with the old lineup for the sake of doing some gigs but either way I think they both really need to work with a counselor so they could get over the things that they are still holding on to regarding the past. I don't think Axl would ever be able to forgive Slash without really knowing what Slash was going through at the time and the only way he can find out is with counseling. I don't see them doing that so I don't ever see them working together again with out that.I think Axl would want an apology that was very public. I don't think it would matter on where he did it, just as long as the world could find out about it.What would it take to make that counseling happen? What's holding them back?Just frustrating because I feel like its possible yet just isn't being done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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