Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 For the love of God, please STOP calling it Live Era. Live and Era are two unrelated adjectives. It's:Guns N' Roses Live Era 87-93. If you're still confused, look at the artwork itself. The 3 aspects of the title are colored differently.It would be the same as saying Best of Volume for Van Halen's Best of: Volume 1Era is a noun!EditSorry, Magisme beat me to it.That's what I said in a later post. Nonetheless, I don't maean to make people feel I'm insulting them. I just think some never took the time to notice that they are seperate and the meaning is different than they infer.
classicguns4life Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 For the love of God, please STOP calling it Live Era. Live and Era are two unrelated adjectives. It's:Guns N' Roses Live Era 87-93. If you're still confused, look at the artwork itself. The 3 aspects of the title are colored differently.It would be the same as saying Best of Volume for Van Halen's Best of: Volume 1Era is a noun!EditSorry, Magisme beat me to it.That's what I said in a later post. Nonetheless, I don't maean to make people feel I'm insulting them. I just think some never took the time to notice that they are seperate and the meaning is different than they infer.So the correct way to say the title is "Guns N Roses: Live Era", right?
magisme Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Pretty sure this is exactly where Broski was hoping this thread would go.
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Oh My God was great, the live album was a tremendous letdown in every possible way. The Big Daddy track was cool. I really thought the new band sounded fresh.
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Yesterdaze, I am a bit confused. What exactly is 'live' supposed to be qualifying here? Is it 'Guns N' Roses' or 'Era 1987-1993'? Edited October 23, 2013 by DieselDaisy
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Yesterdaze, I am a bit confused. What exactly is 'live' supposed to be qualifying here? Is it 'Guns N' Roses' or 'Era 1987-1993'?Both, but seperately. Live Era of and by itself would imply something such as another Era from that time period. It's not logical.It changes the meaning of the title. It implies that this was the only live period of the band. Did they not perform live prior to 1987? Edited October 23, 2013 by Yesterdaze
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I think I, semi, get what you are saying. So what you are saying is the album is really just 'Guns N' Roses Live' (like many live albums) with, 'Era 1987-93' existing as, sort of subsidary information: 'Guns N' Roses - Live - Era 1987-93.' Correct? Things are so bad with gnr that we are discussing the grammar on their album covers! 2
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) I think I, semi, get what you are saying. So what you are saying is the album is really just 'Guns N' Roses Live' (like many live albums) with, 'Era 1987-93' existing as, sort of subsidary information: 'Guns N' Roses - Live - Era 1987-93.' Correct?Things are so bad with gnr that we are discussing the grammar on their album covers!Exactly, thank you. How is this not evident to most? Someone please post the cover of the album. Edited October 23, 2013 by Yesterdaze
DieselDaisy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 It is plausible. You may be correct but the problem is, this nuance has been lost on everyone since 1999. Even the band members, both camps, call it 'Live Era'.
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Someone post the album cover (I'm unable to). If the word Era were blue, everyone else in this thread would be correct.It is plausible. You may be correct but the problem is, this nuance has been lost on everyone since 1999. Even the band members, both camps, call it 'Live Era'.I've noticed that as well, but then again I never took Slash to be one to take notice of anything like that. Just like I roll my eyes when he's whined about Axl's lack of punctuality. Is he serious? Does Slash seem to someone who is on time always? A seemingly care free, cliche-dropping drug addict who never even knows what day of the week it is in interviews? I never bought that. It just seemed convenient that he was the lesser of two evils on the matter and jumped on it for his own benefit. 1
PirateRadio Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 On Live Era, which songs contain recorded vocals? Is there anything else recorded? 1
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 The only songs I can listen to are Dust N' Bones, Used To Love Her and You're Crazy. I think that's it.The Coma track on the Japanese version is great as well. The rest either sounds nothing like GN'R or has been modified and takes all of the spirit away. Did they really think that anyone who wtached the 1992 Tokyo VHS tapes about 200 times wasn't going to notice? Or those of us that had the KOHD and Yesterdays singles weren't going to notice the edits they made for the worse? Most of all was the slap in the face to throw on subpar, overdubbed performances of takes we've all heard instead of the shit ton of archived, kickass performances. What a waste.The cover sucks too. It represents nothing that is on the album.
axlsalinger Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 There was a lot of discussion about that on a few occasions in the past. Someone will probably have a link to a full list. I'm pretty sure the last minute or so of 'Used to Love Her' is clearly new Axl vocals (sounds totally badass, by the way, but higher and different from the rest of the vocal track). At one point in a song early on (I think it's Nightrain) there are two Axl's singing.
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 As for the version of There Was A Time that is in the first post, where did anyone get the info that this was from 1999?I've always wondered how this was validated. I'm not saying it's wrong, just curious how all of the demos were dated to specific years.I was pretty excited when Rolling Stone mentioned that Slash has said there would be some rarely played songs on the album, with Bad Apples being one of them.Man, that album sucks. Rocket Queen's guitars are so empty and hollow. What could have been the best live album ever simply sucks.
Bulldog Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 As for the version of There Was A Time that is in the first post, where did anyone get the info that this was from 1999?I've always wondered how this was validated. I'm not saying it's wrong, just curious how all of the demos were dated to specific years.I was pretty excited when Rolling Stone mentioned that Slash has said there would be some rarely played songs on the album, with Bad Apples being one of them.Man, that album sucks. Rocket Queen's guitars are so empty and hollow. What could have been the best live album ever simply sucks.I also found Rocket Queen the most disappointing. Such a great track live (with Slash and co) but it sounds horrid on the album
Estranged Reality Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 i get all the complaints about live era, and yet i really love it?maybe just because it fascinates me. it's part of the puzzle of chinese democracy, filling in the gaps of what axl was up to those years. i enjoy hearing his voice, which at times is so clearly overdubbed (like on rocket queen, where he clearly sounds like the '99-era axl, higher and whinier). i've said this before and linked to the exact moment via youtube, but there's a part during the outro of the live era 'estranged' where you can LITERALLY hear them splice in the old axl (for the "and the waves they get so hiiiigh" parts at the end). axl re-recorded the whole song but then let them sloppily revert back to the original live track just for the ending, presumably because he couldn't hit the high notes with deep rasp anymore.yesterdaze: i think the reason people always claim the early demos are from '99 is simply because that's when Live Era came out, and it's easy to match them to around that time. chances are they were recorded even earlier, possibly even '97 or '98?which means the vocal takes on chinese democracy were over a decade old (most of them, anyway) when the record was finally released.also, i love 'paradise city' and 'welcome to the jungle' on live era. you think they suck? and out of curiosity what are the 'changes' made to KOHD and Yesterdays? i thought those were some of the only tracks where it seemed like axl's vocals were the original recording and NOT overdubbed? 1
ManetsBR Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 This discussion is absolutely useless. The purpose of saying anyting is to deliver a message. It doesn't matter how it's said, as long as it's delivered and perfectly understood as it was meant to be. When someone says "Live Era" on this forum, all the members are completely able to understand what is being said. It totally depends on the context.For instance, if it's a topic solely about Chinese Democracy, everyone will get if you say it like CD. But if it's talking about the whole Guns N' Roses discography, using the term CD might be a little confusing. The important part is that the message is delivered. You gave the example of "watching Star Wars Episode." That's stupid, because there are six Star Wars films, while there's only one LIVE ERA.
classicguns4life Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 This is a good thread. I like this thread. Its ALMOST even made me like Live Era (did I use the title correctly?). 1
One.In.A.Million Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Axl was a different person back then, and I wish he still had the same attitude. Back then it was like he had a huge plan, but over 10 years on it seems like we still haven't heard all of Axl's efforts around this period which is a shame. But I still have hope...
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) There is no such thing as Live Era. It's Live Era 87-93. Edited October 23, 2013 by Yesterdaze
hudsonsaul Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Jesus Yesterdaze, relax. People are simply using 'Live Era' to shorten the album name. We all know what each other mean when this is typed....or even said. We have heaps of abbreviations for albums; Chinese, CD, UYI, Illusions, Illusions 1, Appetite, AFD, ....."Live Era" is just another one.Live Era is a fascinating time in Axl/Guns history, thats why I enjoy it now when looking back. Also remember getting excited when seeing in the store, but feeling a little disjointed when listening to it (due to the overdubs / production I'd say).The early CD demos were exciting too, and like someone else posted, i also felt he was holding back some amazing tracks (imo turns out he wasn't, as the leaks appeared to be his 'big guns'). Edited October 23, 2013 by hudsonsaul
Yesterdaze Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 "Live" isn't seperating one aspect of Guns N' Roses (live, studio, etc..) from another in the years 87-93. There isn't a Studio Era album.If you bought car and mentioned you bought the yellow model, it would imply there were other colors available.Why was Star Wars Episode 1 titled so? Because there would be more than one. This is precisely the same reason the "era 87-93" was listed on the album. To distinguish it from any other live releases that may be released down the line. Oh, and Van Halen's Best of Volume 1 was released in 1996. There hasn't been a Volume 2. By Manets' logic, we might as well just call it Van Halen Best of Volume, because that would make sense,.The Era was 87-93, it wasn't the "Live" era. It was a live album. but the era wasn't some excluseive live period for the band. By that logic, the band never played live before 1987. Take this to any English teacher and they'll tell you the same thing I am.Guns N' Roses Live Era 87-93 (this is exactly how the words are colored on the cover) Read it. It's NOT "Live Era". It's Guns N' Roses Live Era 87-93Jesus Yesterdaze, relax. People are simply using 'Live Era' to shorten the album name. We all know what each other mean when this is typed....or even said. We have heaps of abbreviations for albums; Chinese, CD, UYI, Illusions, Illusions 1, Appetite, AFD, ....."Live Era" is just another one.Live Era is a fascinating time in Axl/Guns history, thats why I enjoy it now when looking back. Also remember getting excited when seeing in the store, but feeling a little disjointed when listening to it (due to the overdubs / production I'd say).The early CD demos were exciting too, and like someone else posted, i also felt he was holding back some amazing tracks (imo turns out he wasn't, as the leaks appeared to be his 'big guns').Oh, I understand. It's just that others don't know.
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