When did nuGnR reach it's peak in terms of popularity/public and media acceptance?

[Coma16]

Classic!

[D-GenerationX]

Get my digs in? being a little paranoid here aren't you mate as I did not insult you or the other posters and I base this on my experience of trying to get friends to go see NuGuns with me only to be told "Are they still together"?

You really live in a dream world if you think most people on the streets even know GnR is still a touring band never mind who might still be in the band

And I can assure you I am not a zealot and could care less if Axl continues to milk the GnR name...........

Here is what I mean.

The sad reality is that most people consider Axl's current band a joke and not "real GNR". So my question to you is...why can't you just be happy reporting that, the actual facts? Why the need to go so overboard and claim they don't even know Axl is still touring? In my experience, the only people that do so are the truly butt hurt over the break up.

Basically, in the court of public opinion, you have already won. So I don't see the need to go so over the top, unless you are just truly that mad.

And on a personal note, cut the fucking bullshit. I've seen you on multiple forums and you absolutely are among those that feel personally wronged by big mean Axl. Knock it off.

[Apollo]

And yet the attendance here in the U.S. continues to dwindle with every tour and they play smaller and smaller venues...never knew a bands acceptance could grow while attendance to their concerts continued to shrink.......

It would seem your negative feelings towards GNR really distort your view of reality. GNR just headlined several large US festivals this year that were attended by tens of thousands of fans. Probably not the best time to claim that attendance to the shows is shrinking.

But it just goes to show that since some fans want a reunion and Axl won't give it to them, they'll stop at nothing to paint Axl in the worst light possible.

Very sad.

None of us are telling you who to work with and then whining and crying like babies when you prefer to work with someone else.

And yet day after day, month after month, year after year, here you are on a GNR fan site to spew your lies and negativity.

Which makes me wonder, if you were happy with your own life. Your job. Your romantic partner. Your family. Etc. Surely you'd have better things to do than to read about a band you don't like day after day so you can whine, complain and lie?

And no matter how you try to spin it or rationalize things, nothing changes the fact that you've got nothing better to do with your life than to follow a band you don't like so that you can cry about it.

Very sad. Wish you nothing but the best. Sorry about whatever it is in your life that is dragging you down. It must really suck to have nothing fulfilling in life and have to resort to remaining fixated on things you DON'T enjoy.

Hope things improve for you mate.

So Classic doesn't think that Axl's current version of GnR is a top draw anymore..........and that means that he is unhappy with his personal life? That's quite a stretch. Why attack him personally, the guy is sharing his opinion, and you have no idea what kind of person he is or what his personal life is like.

I saw GnR a couple years ago and the venue was 1/3 full. Kayne played there a week ago and it was sold out.

From reports I read, GnR's most recent dates in Canada were at a 3,000 seat and 2,300 seat venue - and they only sold out ONE of those two shows. In 1992 and 2002 GnR had no problem filling 15,000 seat arenas.

By posting that, does it mean that I'm unhappy in life as well?

You are a wrestler, right? No doubt with your personality you usually played the bad guy. Do the fans that come to the arena and boo you only do so because they are unhappy in real life?

People come to the forum to chat about Axl and GnR. They don't have to be 100% positive and praise Axl's every move. This isn't HTGTH where is must be positive Axl 24/7. That's not how the real world works.

[classicrawker]

And yet the attendance here in the U.S. continues to dwindle with every tour and they play smaller and smaller venues...never knew a bands acceptance could grow while attendance to their concerts continued to shrink.......

It would seem your negative feelings towards GNR really distort your view of reality. GNR just headlined several large US festivals this year that were attended by tens of thousands of fans. Probably not the best time to claim that attendance to the shows is shrinking.

But it just goes to show that since some fans want a reunion and Axl won't give it to them, they'll stop at nothing to paint Axl in the worst light possible.

Very sad.

None of us are telling you who to work with and then whining and crying like babies when you prefer to work with someone else.

And yet day after day, month after month, year after year, here you are on a GNR fan site to spew your lies and negativity.

Which makes me wonder, if you were happy with your own life. Your job. Your romantic partner. Your family. Etc. Surely you'd have better things to do than to read about a band you don't like day after day so you can whine, complain and lie?

And no matter how you try to spin it or rationalize things, nothing changes the fact that you've got nothing better to do with your life than to follow a band you don't like so that you can cry about it.

Very sad. Wish you nothing but the best. Sorry about whatever it is in your life that is dragging you down. It must really suck to have nothing fulfilling in life and have to resort to remaining fixated on things you DON'T enjoy.

Hope things improve for you mate.

And you figure all those fans went to the festival to see NuGuns? How about the arena tour that was less than a sell out when it was only NuGuns playing to draw fans? A bit better guage of popularity of a band then to look at a festival where there are a lot of bands to draw fans don't you think?

I was just repsonding your claim that their popularity was increasing, which based on concert attendance, does not seem to be the case here in the U.S........don't agree how about proving me wrong instead of hurling insults

[D-GenerationX]

Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of bringing personal life angles into discussion about rock bands or sports teams. Its a cop out and illogical.

People come to boards to talk about that subject. Its what they do...while they are here. It doesn't mean they sit in a dark room 24/7/365 and rock back forth muttering to themselves.

[classicrawker]

Get my digs in? being a little paranoid here aren't you mate as I did not insult you or the other posters and I base this on my experience of trying to get friends to go see NuGuns with me only to be told "Are they still together"?

You really live in a dream world if you think most people on the streets even know GnR is still a touring band never mind who might still be in the band

And I can assure you I am not a zealot and could care less if Axl continues to milk the GnR name...........

Here is what I mean.

The sad reality is that most people consider Axl's current band a joke and not "real GNR". So my question to you is...why can't you just be happy reporting that, the actual facts? Why the need to go so overboard and claim they don't even know Axl is still touring? In my experience, the only people that do so are the truly butt hurt over the break up.

Basically, in the court of public opinion, you have already won. So I don't see the need to go so over the top, unless you are just truly that mad.

And on a personal note, cut the fucking bullshit. I've seen you on multiple forums and you absolutely are among those that feel personally wronged by big mean Axl. Knock it off.

Still not sure what is making you so hostile mate. I expressed an opinion that the casual music fan has no idea Guns is still a touring badn based on my own personal experience and you come back with insults.

What exactly did I say that was so hateful?

And please post comments I have said that were so hateful to Axl? Other than posting my opinions, and referencing actual interviews to support my opinion, on what went down in the past I have never called Axl names, insulted his looks, ChiDem or the current members of his hired band. In fact I have been nothing but complimentary on the talent in NuGuns and have said I like some of the music on ChiDem so I am not sure where your hostility is coming from.

Insults are the sign of a weak argument. instead of hurling insults why not discuss the subject at hand like a mature adult?

[RussTCB]

And yet the attendance here in the U.S. continues to dwindle with every tour and they play smaller and smaller venues...never knew a bands acceptance could grow while attendance to their concerts continued to shrink.......

It would seem your negative feelings towards GNR really distort your view of reality. GNR just headlined several large US festivals this year that were attended by tens of thousands of fans. Probably not the best time to claim that attendance to the shows is shrinking.

But it just goes to show that since some fans want a reunion and Axl won't give it to them, they'll stop at nothing to paint Axl in the worst light possible.

Very sad.

None of us are telling you who to work with and then whining and crying like babies when you prefer to work with someone else.

And yet day after day, month after month, year after year, here you are on a GNR fan site to spew your lies and negativity.

Which makes me wonder, if you were happy with your own life. Your job. Your romantic partner. Your family. Etc. Surely you'd have better things to do than to read about a band you don't like day after day so you can whine, complain and lie?

And no matter how you try to spin it or rationalize things, nothing changes the fact that you've got nothing better to do with your life than to follow a band you don't like so that you can cry about it.

Very sad. Wish you nothing but the best. Sorry about whatever it is in your life that is dragging you down. It must really suck to have nothing fulfilling in life and have to resort to remaining fixated on things you DON'T enjoy.

Hope things improve for you mate.

So Classic doesn't think that Axl's current version of GnR is a top draw anymore..........and that means that he is unhappy with his personal life? That's quite a stretch. Why attack him personally, the guy is sharing his opinion, and you have no idea what kind of person he is or what his personal life is like.

I saw GnR a couple years ago and the venue was 1/3 full. Kayne played there a week ago and it was sold out.

From reports I read, GnR's most recent dates in Canada were at a 3,000 seat and 2,300 seat venue - and they only sold out ONE of those two shows. In 1992 and 2002 GnR had no problem filling 15,000 seat arenas.

By posting that, does it mean that I'm unhappy in life as well?

You are a wrestler, right? No doubt with your personality you usually played the bad guy. Do the fans that come to the arena and boo you only do so because they are unhappy in real life?

People come to the forum to chat about Axl and GnR. They don't have to be 100% positive and praise Axl's every move. This isn't HTGTH where is must be positive Axl 24/7. That's not how the real world works.

This.

There is absolutely no reason to personally attack people no matter which side of the argument they fall on. Interest in GN'R in the US was heavily dwindling over the course of the last tour and that's a fact. No amount of putting a positive spin on things will change that just as saying people must have a terrible personal life won't either.

[classicrawker]

Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of bringing personal life angles into discussion about rock bands or sports teams. Its a cop out and illogical.

People come to boards to talk about that subject. Its what they do...while they are here. It doesn't mean they sit in a dark room 24/7/365 and rock back forth muttering to themselves.

Sorry mate but your personal preferences have no influence on what I post. So if my posts upset you so much why not put me on ignore...problem solved...but your anwering with insults does nothing to make your case that I am wrong......

[Facekicker]

[Dazey]

It would seem your negative feelings towards GNR really distort your view of reality. GNR just headlined several large US festivals this year that were attended by tens of thousands of fans. Probably not the best time to claim that attendance to the shows is shrinking.

Festivals? So none of the other bands there had anything to do with those attendances? I'm pretty sure that CR was referring to solo GnR gigs only. I saw Slash at Glastonbury a few years ago with 170,000 people in attendance. Doesn't mean they all came to see him now does it? Festival headliners will always draw big crowds no matter what so it's a moot point.

[classicrawker]

Classic Rawker -

Guns N' Roses headlined the festivals. I'd have to check the lineups to see if a band called NuGuns played as well. Never heard of them.

You are the one that chose to claim GNR was playing smaller venues when it wasn't true. Nobody forced you to lie. You chose to do that.

Most arena tours don't sell out. If you're an act that can sell 6,000 to 8,000 tickets, it makes more sense to play an arena than a theater. GNR failing to sell out arenas is not proof that the public and media aren't more accepting now of a Slash-less GNR than they were previously.

A lot of hard work has paid off and the perception of GNR in the US has improved immensely.

I never claimed that popularity was increasing, although it very well may be.

Nowhere have I hurled insults. You and I both know that you are not happy with your life. That is not an insult. It is a sincere expression of concern for your well being. It's not healthy to spend so much time focusing on things you don't enjoy.

Whatever is dragging you down, I hope things improve. You seem like a nice guy. I hate to see you so consumed with negativity.

Please post citation on where you get your information that the perception of NuGuns has improved immensely in the U.S. despite dwindling concert attendance as this seems to be a contradiction.....

[Apollo]

And yet the attendance here in the U.S. continues to dwindle with every tour and they play smaller and smaller venues...never knew a bands acceptance could grow while attendance to their concerts continued to shrink.......

It would seem your negative feelings towards GNR really distort your view of reality. GNR just headlined several large US festivals this year that were attended by tens of thousands of fans. Probably not the best time to claim that attendance to the shows is shrinking.

But it just goes to show that since some fans want a reunion and Axl won't give it to them, they'll stop at nothing to paint Axl in the worst light possible.

Very sad.

None of us are telling you who to work with and then whining and crying like babies when you prefer to work with someone else.

And yet day after day, month after month, year after year, here you are on a GNR fan site to spew your lies and negativity.

Which makes me wonder, if you were happy with your own life. Your job. Your romantic partner. Your family. Etc. Surely you'd have better things to do than to read about a band you don't like day after day so you can whine, complain and lie?

And no matter how you try to spin it or rationalize things, nothing changes the fact that you've got nothing better to do with your life than to follow a band you don't like so that you can cry about it.

Very sad. Wish you nothing but the best. Sorry about whatever it is in your life that is dragging you down. It must really suck to have nothing fulfilling in life and have to resort to remaining fixated on things you DON'T enjoy.

Hope things improve for you mate.

So Classic doesn't think that Axl's current version of GnR is a top draw anymore..........and that means that he is unhappy with his personal life? That's quite a stretch. Why attack him personally, the guy is sharing his opinion, and you have no idea what kind of person he is or what his personal life is like.

I saw GnR a couple years ago and the venue was 1/3 full. Kayne played there a week ago and it was sold out.

From reports I read, GnR's most recent dates in Canada were at a 3,000 seat and 2,300 seat venue - and they only sold out ONE of those two shows. In 1992 and 2002 GnR had no problem filling 15,000 seat arenas.

By posting that, does it mean that I'm unhappy in life as well?

You are a wrestler, right? No doubt with your personality you usually played the bad guy. Do the fans that come to the arena and boo you only do so because they are unhappy in real life?

People come to the forum to chat about Axl and GnR. They don't have to be 100% positive and praise Axl's every move. This isn't HTGTH where is must be positive Axl 24/7. That's not how the real world works.

This.

There is absolutely no reason to personally attack people no matter which side of the argument they fall on. Interest in GN'R in the US was heavily dwindling over the course of the last tour and that's a fact. No amount of putting a positive spin on things will change that just as saying people must have a terrible personal life won't either.

Thanks Russ.

Almost seems like MSL has a vested interest in defending GnR at all costs. HHmmm. Saying that somebody is unhappy with their lives isn't an insult?

GnR has been playing smaller venues, and aren't able to sell out venues that they used to sell out in a matter of minutes.

Can you imagine the classic lineup failing to sell out a 3,000 seat venue? Not in a million years.

The last time I saw GnR (two years ago) we literally walked directly to our seats. We didn't go early, there was no line, we walked from the sidewalk straight to the ticket lady (nobody in line) and walked directly to our seats. I took my son to GnR a few years before that and at that show we stood in line for about 30 minutes.

To claim that GnR's concert attendance numbers aren't declining is ludicrous and simply not true.

WITH that said, it doesn't mean that the band isn't putting on a great show.

Both shows I mentioned were outstanding. Axl was in top form and the band sounded great and I cannot wait to go see them again. I've seen most of the bands from my era (ozzy, Judas Priest, Dokken, Great White, etc) and both those shows are easily in my top 10 most enjoyable shows.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Groghan

[RussTCB]

This.

There is absolutely no reason to personally attack people no matter which side of the argument they fall on. Interest in GN'R in the US was heavily dwindling over the course of the last tour and that's a fact. No amount of putting a positive spin on things will change that just as saying people must have a terrible personal life won't either.

Just because Classic Rawker claims he's being insulted doesn't mean he is. Where was the insult? I've expressed genuine concern for his level of happiness in life. Does it make sense to you to spend day after day, month after month, year after year whining, complaining, (and more importantly) LYING about a band you don't like? Does that make sense to you?

As for your claim that it's a "fact" that interest in GN'R in the US was heavily dwindling over the course of the last tour, what are you basing that on? The publicity stunt of playing Brooklyn Bowl was very successful and headlining a major festival in the New York market led to some of the best coverage GNR has received in years. The other headlining performances were considered very newsworthy by the media as well.

You shouldn't go around claiming "fact" when the actual facts completely contradict your position.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Overall, CR's differs greatly from mine, yet I don't feel the need to claim that there's something wrong with his life over it.

As for my claim about interest in GN'R on the last US tour, it's based on the facts of my own personal experience. I saw 3 shows on the arena tour and 2 on the UCaP tour. 2 of those were in cities that I'd seen GN'R in during the 2002 and 2006 tours. On the 2011 stops, there were just about half as many people in attendance compared to 2006. 1 of the UCaP shows wasn't sold out and tickets were being given away for free up to the start of the show.

Those are facts that I go around waving in the air because they're quite embarrassing. At the same time, I'm able to see the reality that GN'R were drawing a lot less fans on their last US tour than they were before that.

[D-GenerationX]

Most arena tours don't sell out. If you're an act that can sell 6,000 to 8,000 tickets, it makes more sense to play an arena than a theater. GNR failing to sell out arenas is not proof that the public and media aren't more accepting now of a Slash-less GNR than they were previously.

You sort of sound like the realtor putting the best spin on a bad property.

Most big time rock bands fill basketball arenas without a problem. In their current state, GNR could not do this. Do you dispute this?

[AndreCC]

Oh God here we go again with the health issues hahaha

GNR will always be successful, no matter who is in the band... Doink the Clown could be playing Guitar in GNR and they would still tour the biggest shows in Europe, South America, South Asia and North America.

That isn't to say that they would tour because this new band is successful (this new band ISN'T successful).They tour because they have the moniker of this once great Band that consider of Axl, Slash, Adler, Duff and Izzy. And you can put Matt, Gilby and Dizzy in there as well...The success comes from the name who represent a certain established group of individuals (the ones above) that created and established what was once a great band.

That's what draws money...nobody cares who's in it...as long as one of the main guys is. (In this case Axl is)

Nostalgic shows that people go to, to remember the hey days and hear the Classics... nobody cares about Chinese Democracy unless you're a 12 year old who knows nothing about GNR and just picked up Chinese Democracy for some reason and didn't care to hear the other albums...

Edited October 28, 2013 by AndreCC

[D-GenerationX]

When Axl pulled his no show here in Philly in 2002, the show was at the arena where the Sixers and Flyers played. A full scale arena, that was legit sold out. We even had a second show (that obviously never happened) and I believe were the only city that got an extra night. Even NYC only got one.

He never came back in 2006, likely for his own safety.

When they finally came back to the area in 2011, the closest they got to Philly was Camden. Its a big venue with a huge lawn. This being November, that was all closed off and only the inside portion was sold. I would conservatively put that figure at 7,000 - 8,000 people. A big step down from 2002.

They came back in 2012 and played the Electric Factory. This is basically a club. They also hit the House Of Blues in Atlantic City, also real small.

The reality is that the crowds and venues are getting smaller in the U.S.

[RussTCB]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Overall, CR's differs greatly from mine, yet I don't feel the need to claim that there's something wrong with his life over it.

And since everyone is entitled to their opinion, I've expressed my opinion, which is that somebody that was happy with their life would not spend day after day, month after month, year after year, whining, complaining and lying about a band they don't like.

Deep down, Classic Rawker knows I'm right, which is why he doesn't even deny it. Which is fine. I don't say it to criticize him. I genuinely hope whatever is dragging him down is something he's eventually able to address.

But let's stop bullshitting each other. Let's stop burying our heads in the sand. Let's start being honest about what motivates people to seek refuge on the internet to whine, complain and lie about things they don't like.

Do you think that behavior stems from a source of positivity and satisfaction?

Or do you think the root of that behavior is possibly dissatisfaction with another aspect of their life?

And if it's okay for others to dissect and twist every minutia of another human being, why isn't it appropriate to analyze what causes their obsessive negative behavior?

Well this thread is specifically to meant to discuss whether or not the new incarnations of Guns N' Roses have been accepted and if so when, so I guess my answer to all of that would be no haha.

[D-GenerationX]

MSL -

Pearl Jam just played 2 nights here last week, 20,000 seat arena. Complete sell outs. They were selling obstructed view seats for god's sake. As does Bon Jovi. As does Aerosmith. As does Metallica.

GNR could not do one night. That one night would be half full.

[Dazey]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Overall, CR's differs greatly from mine, yet I don't feel the need to claim that there's something wrong with his life over it.

And since everyone is entitled to their opinion, I've expressed my opinion, which is that somebody that was happy with their life would not spend day after day, month after month, year after year, whining, complaining and lying about a band they don't like.

Deep down, Classic Rawker knows I'm right, which is why he doesn't even deny it. Which is fine. I don't say it to criticize him. I genuinely hope whatever is dragging him down is something he's eventually able to address.

But let's stop bullshitting each other. Let's stop burying our heads in the sand. Let's start being honest about what motivates people to seek refuge on the internet to whine, complain and lie about things they don't like.

Do you think that behavior stems from a source of positivity and satisfaction?

Or do you think the root of that behavior is possibly dissatisfaction with another aspect of their life?

And if it's okay for others to dissect and twist every minutia of another human being, why isn't it appropriate to analyze what causes their obsessive negative behavior?

Well this thread is specifically to meant to discuss whether or not the new incarnations of Guns N' Roses have been accepted and if so when, so I guess my answer to all of that would be no haha.

Go on Russ! Do 'im!

[Coma16]

MSL -

Pearl Jam just played 2 nights here last week, 20,000 seat arena. Complete sell outs. They were selling obstructed view seats for god's sake. As does Bon Jovi. As does Aerosmith. As does Metallica.

GNR could not do one night. That one night would be half full.

Dad-rock" lol

[Apollo]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Overall, CR's differs greatly from mine, yet I don't feel the need to claim that there's something wrong with his life over it.

And since everyone is entitled to their opinion, I've expressed my opinion, which is that somebody that was happy with their life would not spend day after day, month after month, year after year, whining, complaining and lying about a band they don't like.

Deep down, Classic Rawker knows I'm right, which is why he doesn't even deny it. Which is fine. I don't say it to criticize him. I genuinely hope whatever is dragging him down is something he's eventually able to address.

But let's stop bullshitting each other. Let's stop burying our heads in the sand. Let's start being honest about what motivates people to seek refuge on the internet to whine, complain and lie about things they don't like.

Do you think that behavior stems from a source of positivity and satisfaction?

Or do you think the root of that behavior is possibly dissatisfaction with another aspect of their life?

And if it's okay for others to dissect and twist every minutia of another human being, why isn't it appropriate to analyze what causes their obsessive negative behavior?

Maybe they are on Slash's payroll and part of their job is to come to the forum and try and discredit Axl and GnR?

[CoolRanchDressing]

The reason Axl was suddenly able to able to book those festivals was because of the Hall of Fame glory. personally, I think Beta over-saturated the festival circuit and ha a short-sighted strategy of cramming as many high priced little shows around festivals as possible. The real effects of Betas strategy will be seen in the years that follow, when she's unable to book the same festivals again and again. I expect more residencies.

[classicrawker]

meh, MSL knows he is wrong but can never admit defeat which is why he resorts to trying to insult me to deflect from the fact he can't defend his position. But at this point it will do him no good as I have read enough of his posts to know how he operates and never take the bait.........

Dancing Monkeys............

And MSL as far as having a hard time selling out arenas off the top of my head The Stones, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Macca, The Eagles, Pearl Jam, Metallica, Roger Waters, Dave Matthews, Bon Jovi etc. to name a few have no problem selling out not only arenas but some of them can sell out multiple nights in many cities while NuGuns is struggling to fill arenas where they only open half the seats for sale. even Kings of Leon and Phish draw much bigger crowds then NuGuns.....

Took me all of 30 seconds to prove you wrong.........

http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/011413top50.pdf

http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/Charts2011/071811Top50WorldwideTours.pdf

But that is the point isn't it? those bands have large fan bases while NuGuns is dwindling to the point where the next stop will be theaters here in the U.S...........

Edited October 29, 2013 by classicrawker

[IndiannaRose]

Easy. This band reached its peak in 2006. They had so much going for them at this point. The super-succesful release of the Greatest Hits album in 2004 brought the band (or should I say, "brand") a new, young fan base. In 2006, much of this was still evident. In addition to that, the band (especially Axl) both looked and played like ferocious beasts (with the exception of Ron who was still getting used to being in the band).

Those four gigs at the Hammerstein Ballroom were incredible. You could just feel the energy and excitement in the air. This forum turned upside down (in a good way) on the eve of that first show. In that summer, the band played to over 600,000 fans in total; a fantastic achievement in itself. I never felt that things were the same after the band failed to deliver an album that fall. That is when I, for the most part, stopped caring.

Edited October 29, 2013 by IndiannaRose

[AndreCC]

Easy. This band reached its peak in 2006. They had so much going for them at this point. The super-succesful release of the Greatest Hits album in 2004 brought the band (or should I say, "brand") a new, young fan base. In 2006, much of this was still evident. In addition to that, the band (especially Axl) both looked and played like ferocious beasts (with the exception of Ron who was still getting used to being in the band).

Those four gigs at the Hammerstein Ballroom were incredible. You could just feel the energy and excitement in the air. This forum turned upside down (in a good way) on the eve of that first show. In that summer, the band played to over 600,000 fans in total; a fantastic achievement in itself. I never felt that things were the same after the band failed to deliver an album that fall. That is when I, for the most part, stopped caring.

This all the way!

Congrats for such an accurate statement Indianna Rose!

I still feel they could have patch things up with fans and the media, if they had released a second album right after Chinese Democracy in 2010, or hell even 2011.

Edited October 29, 2013 by AndreCC