When did nuGnR reach it's peak in terms of popularity/public and media acceptance?

[Gagarin]

Uhm... I agree with MSL's posts.

"Threat", lol. Wow.

Talk about fighting over a shrinking pie...

I've only visited msl's site a couple times when it first opened, and back in the summer when the remixes leaked. Both times he expressed a venomous hatred for mygnrforum VERY openly. A scorned love caused by him getting called out on his shit, nothing more. I haven't been there since, aside from just now, and I'm betting not much has changed.

I just cannot begin to fathom why he would come back to a site he openly despises, and then have the balls to act thunderstruck he got shit canned. Even his own disciples at his shit cult site agree with hv's actions on this one .

His act was always transparent. Not to strut a superiority complex, but I was one of the few people to actually shut him down in a back and forth. And every time I would stump him, he would just ignore my last statement and venture on to weaker prey. He just loved the attention and wanted to be well known. He wanted his viewpoints to be treated as nothing less than gospel.

But his game got stale, and thankfully he just gets to spew his nonsensical bullshit at his own ghost town of a shit hole.

I doubt very much you were able to shut him down anywhere but in your own imagination.

[highvoltage]

Well Gagarin, put it into the context of everything he's said over the past few months, including private threats I received from one of his "cronies". It's not about a difference of opinion, back in August, he said this:

"You want MYGNR to bounce back and are working hard to make that happen. I want MYGNR to die and I'm working hard to make that happen."

I really don't care what he says on his site, but I'm definitely not going to let him keep post here if he's trying to kill the place. I sent the PM to him to ask why he was even here, and he responded by telling me I should "play nice". He's not here to participate - he said it himself.

So yeah, I think I was completely justified in banning him. There's no way that he can spin it that changes the facts.

[Bobbo]

Uhm... I agree with MSL's posts.

"Threat", lol. Wow.

Talk about fighting over a shrinking pie...

I've only visited msl's site a couple times when it first opened, and back in the summer when the remixes leaked. Both times he expressed a venomous hatred for mygnrforum VERY openly. A scorned love caused by him getting called out on his shit, nothing more. I haven't been there since, aside from just now, and I'm betting not much has changed.

I just cannot begin to fathom why he would come back to a site he openly despises, and then have the balls to act thunderstruck he got shit canned. Even his own disciples at his shit cult site agree with hv's actions on this one .

His act was always transparent. Not to strut a superiority complex, but I was one of the few people to actually shut him down in a back and forth. And every time I would stump him, he would just ignore my last statement and venture on to weaker prey. He just loved the attention and wanted to be well known. He wanted his viewpoints to be treated as nothing less than gospel.

But his game got stale, and thankfully he just gets to spew his nonsensical bullshit at his own ghost town of a shit hole.

I doubt very much you were able to shut him down anywhere but in your own imagination.

I have. More than once. Quite hilarious actually. .

Believe what you want to believe. Facts are facts though

Edited October 30, 2013 by Bobbo

[Gia]

Well Gagarin, put it into the context of everything he's said over the past few months, including private threats I received from one of his "cronies". It's not about a difference of opinion, back in August, he said this:

"You want MYGNR to bounce back and are working hard to make that happen. I want MYGNR to die and I'm working hard to make that happen."

I really don't care what he says on his site, but I'm definitely not going to let him keep post here if he's trying to kill the place. I sent the PM to him to ask why he was even here, and he responded by telling me I should "play nice". He's not here to participate - he said it himself.

So yeah, I think I was completely justified in banning him. There's no way that he can spin it that changes the facts.

In my opinion, I think it was justified....

it might seem bad on your part because you started the conversation in the first place,

but as you said, he has openly been against this site so it would only make sense for you to question his motives

I think you were right HV

[Bobbo]

LMFAO at his newest conspiracy theory that this place is funded by Slash to spread Axl hate.

That guy can't just lie down

[highvoltage]

LMFAO at his newest conspiracy theory that this place is funded by Slash to spread Axl hate.

That guy can't just lie down

[Shackler118]

In 2006 they played Madison Square Garden sold out. Vh1 would include Axl into all their current celeb news mashup shows so much so it was normal, and Axl was just as much of a celeb as Paris Hilton. Mostly the leaks sounded great and Axl was looked at as the outlaw that could still do no wrong, despite the still present fact that it seemed wrong to still call the band Guns N' Roses. Plus the album was gonna drop any second...

2009/10 was pretty much the same thing, except Chinese Democracy anticipation was gone but they played the two gihly publicized private Ny shows, one I was lucky enough to be at (and the Hiro show as well). Axl's NY clubbing got heavily documented in The Post the following week, and it was the first time he resurfaced since Chinese Democracy.

But after what I like to call "the old thing is the new thing" movement propelled in 2008 with Guitar Hero, Death Magnetic, Black Ice, and Chinese Democracy, the world moved on, but in a good way.

Bands like Foster The People, and Awolnation, as pop as they may seem here are really talented bands, and with them as examples, new mainstream music has gotten better than it was from the early 2000's to 2008.

The Hall of Fame was more of a final effort of anyone caring, but even that to me seemed to just be noticed in the Rock world and not far outside that.

Also, there was a big 80's trend from 06 to 08 and now it's all about the ninties. Things work in waves I guess.

2006 would be the height as my final answer.

[T.wa.T]

Classic Rawker -

There are thousands and thousands of rock bands. A very select few are able to consistently sell out US basketball arenas.

Out of thousands and thousands of rock acts, you named ten that you claimed have no problem selling out arenas.

So if your position is that in 2013, Guns N' Roses is not one of the top 10 most popular touring rock bands in the US, I agree with you. I never claimed they were.

However, if we dissect the ten acts you named, we find that you're actually wrong about all ten of them being able to easily sell out their arena tours. Which is not to criticize them at all, they are certainly some of the biggest drawing acts.

But when you look at the hard numbers, you will see that it's very rare to have a rock band that is able to tour US basketball arenas and sell out the majority of the dates.

So in your attempt to prove me wrong, you've actually proven me correct. My position is that GNR is more popular than 99% of rock bands in the world. So naming ten bands that are more popular only serves to prove my point.

Many of you live in some fantasy world where Axl Rose's life is a failure if GNR is not the most successful band on the planet.

Are we allowed to hold you to the same standard Classic Rawker? Are you one of the top 10 most successful in the world at what you do for a living? Most people would be very happy to be in the top 1%, but perhaps you are so successful in life that anything less than top 10 is a giant failure?

So what exactly is it that you do again? How many millions did you generate this year? Because Axl generated many millions and only had to work a few weeks this year, if that.

Anybody else find it hilarious that Classic Rawker linked to *worldwide* touring figures to prove how big other bands are in the US?!?! I got a big kick out of that one.

Do you even know what your point is Classic Rawker? My point is simple:

THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ROCK BANDS IN THE WORLD. A VERY TINY PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN GUNS N' ROSES.

Do you disagree with that? If not, why are you arguing with me? Nothing better to do with your time than lie about things you don't like?

How many of the thousands of rock bands were as popular as GnR was? they were once one of the biggest acts in Rock who could sell out arenas, just like the bands I mentioned in my previous posts, but now whose attendance here in the U.S diminishes with every tour here now..........

and you are the one claiming NuGnR is at the height of their popularity and it is increasing yet their attendance in the U.S. continues to decline...please explain the logic in that? You also cited the attendance at festivals to try to make you point which you know is bullshit as when they were not playing festivals they could not sell out 6-8 K arenas.....again your logic is flawed

And you still can't make your point without resorting to insults or attacking me....come back when you can defend your postion and express your opinion like a mature adult.......

Keep in mind that most things GnR does gets critiqued. Whether good or bad. Something as simple as a fan chat gets slammed by their fans, who cry that the band doesn't care our do anything.

The PR machines that Pearl Jam, Metallica, Bon Jovi etc.. use are top notch and all of their images and public profiles are carefully taken care of. You rarely hear anything bad said about them. Your a fool if you think they're all angels.

Axl has been fighting the ' bad guy' label from the start. Some is his fault, but most is driven by the media. Just like anything else.

So you figure the bands you mentioned can still sell out arenas because they have good PR and it not because of their music? Really?

During the Illusions tour, GnR was averaging 33,000 per show. Today?

Twat - why do you think the "media" has some hidden agenda to portray Axl in a negative light? Are you implying that there are actual people out there who want to buy a GnR concert ticket but then change their mind because of something they read about Axl in a newspaper?

Classic ~ of course their music is what puts people in the seats. Their public profiles are just as important. Ex: prior to attending a Pearl Jam show most fans/people don't know that at some point in the show Eddie Vedder is going to go on a rant about how America is this and that, and that George Bush is this or that. People got tired of it real quick and started booing. He eventually stopped doing it. That was a few years ago, now you never hear about it, why, the PR machine helps keeps it on the low down.

My point here is it hasn't followed them around like all the tedious bs that follows Axl. Again, Axl brings some of it on himself, but most of it is the media driven, bad boy image crap. He'll never be able to rid himself of that image, truth be told I like it and bought into it, like millions of others.

Grohgan~ The bad boy image has been used forever as a way to get young males and females to buy music or to get people to go to a movie.

During the 90's the media certainly had an agenda against Axl all the way up to the release of CD. As you know it went back and forth between the media and Axl since they got big. In the beginning Axl had the edge due to him being onstage. When he wasn't the media was able to attack him. Its rare to read anything from then without the writer callin him or refering to him as a badboy.

I totally think there are people who decided to buy a ticket because They like the bad boy thing and whole we don't know what's gonna happen next thing.

The proof that people won't buy a ticket because of the bad boy thing is everywhere. How many say Axl is a dick, he sucks, he goes onstage late so fuck him. He doesn't do anything for his fans etc.. Its a double edged sword. The media can be very pursuasive. They make and break careers everyday.

[Dazey]

That guy can't just lie down

Oh he can lie down if he wants to but last time it took six strong men and a crane to get him back up!

[T.wa.T]

Sometime in 99 or 2000 there was an article "What The World Needs Now Is Axl Rose", somewhere around then.

Buzz buzz buzz. 2002 would have been okay, had Axl wanted to be there like he did in RIR or House Of Blues.

Oh, and a record.

It's all about a record. It's not about "information we need/want", we want music. I don't understand why they don't understand that.

I remember that cover. It was SPIN magazine.

[volcano62]

It's wrong to ban people like MSL.

I'm sure MSL isn't crying himself to sleep.

He exposes everyone's bullshit and lies that's why they don't like him.

[magisme]

In light of the news that MLS is working hard to kill this forum, I think you should let him post freely so that we can all laugh as he slowly realizes - or fails to realize - just how impotent his rage really is.

[D-GenerationX]

Someone who threatens the mod of a rock band's forum must be really unhappy with his life.

Hahahahaha

Nice.

[classicrawker]

Classic Rawker -

There are thousands and thousands of rock bands. A very select few are able to consistently sell out US basketball arenas.

Out of thousands and thousands of rock acts, you named ten that you claimed have no problem selling out arenas.

So if your position is that in 2013, Guns N' Roses is not one of the top 10 most popular touring rock bands in the US, I agree with you. I never claimed they were.

However, if we dissect the ten acts you named, we find that you're actually wrong about all ten of them being able to easily sell out their arena tours. Which is not to criticize them at all, they are certainly some of the biggest drawing acts.

But when you look at the hard numbers, you will see that it's very rare to have a rock band that is able to tour US basketball arenas and sell out the majority of the dates.

So in your attempt to prove me wrong, you've actually proven me correct. My position is that GNR is more popular than 99% of rock bands in the world. So naming ten bands that are more popular only serves to prove my point.

Many of you live in some fantasy world where Axl Rose's life is a failure if GNR is not the most successful band on the planet.

Are we allowed to hold you to the same standard Classic Rawker? Are you one of the top 10 most successful in the world at what you do for a living? Most people would be very happy to be in the top 1%, but perhaps you are so successful in life that anything less than top 10 is a giant failure?

So what exactly is it that you do again? How many millions did you generate this year? Because Axl generated many millions and only had to work a few weeks this year, if that.

Anybody else find it hilarious that Classic Rawker linked to *worldwide* touring figures to prove how big other bands are in the US?!?! I got a big kick out of that one.

Do you even know what your point is Classic Rawker? My point is simple:

THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ROCK BANDS IN THE WORLD. A VERY TINY PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN GUNS N' ROSES.

Do you disagree with that? If not, why are you arguing with me? Nothing better to do with your time than lie about things you don't like?

How many of the thousands of rock bands were as popular as GnR was? they were once one of the biggest acts in Rock who could sell out arenas, just like the bands I mentioned in my previous posts, but now whose attendance here in the U.S diminishes with every tour here now..........

and you are the one claiming NuGnR is at the height of their popularity and it is increasing yet their attendance in the U.S. continues to decline...please explain the logic in that? You also cited the attendance at festivals to try to make you point which you know is bullshit as when they were not playing festivals they could not sell out 6-8 K arenas.....again your logic is flawed

And you still can't make your point without resorting to insults or attacking me....come back when you can defend your postion and express your opinion like a mature adult.......

Keep in mind that most things GnR does gets critiqued. Whether good or bad. Something as simple as a fan chat gets slammed by their fans, who cry that the band doesn't care our do anything.

The PR machines that Pearl Jam, Metallica, Bon Jovi etc.. use are top notch and all of their images and public profiles are carefully taken care of. You rarely hear anything bad said about them. Your a fool if you think they're all angels.

Axl has been fighting the ' bad guy' label from the start. Some is his fault, but most is driven by the media. Just like anything else.

So you figure the bands you mentioned can still sell out arenas because they have good PR and it not because of their music? Really?

During the Illusions tour, GnR was averaging 33,000 per show. Today?

Twat - why do you think the "media" has some hidden agenda to portray Axl in a negative light? Are you implying that there are actual people out there who want to buy a GnR concert ticket but then change their mind because of something they read about Axl in a newspaper?

Classic ~ of course their music is what puts people in the seats. Their public profiles are just as important. Ex: prior to attending a Pearl Jam show most fans/people don't know that at some point in the show Eddie Vedder is going to go on a rant about how America is this and that, and that George Bush is this or that. People got tired of it real quick and started booing. He eventually stopped doing it. That was a few years ago, now you never hear about it, why, the PR machine helps keeps it on the low down.

My point here is it hasn't followed them around like all the tedious bs that follows Axl. Again, Axl brings some of it on himself, but most of it is the media driven, bad boy image crap. He'll never be able to rid himself of that image, truth be told I like it and bought into it, like millions of others.

Grohgan~ The bad boy image has been used forever as a way to get young males and females to buy music or to get people to go to a movie.

During the 90's the media certainly had an agenda against Axl all the way up to the release of CD. As you know it went back and forth between the media and Axl since they got big. In the beginning Axl had the edge due to him being onstage. When he wasn't the media was able to attack him. Its rare to read anything from then without the writer callin him or refering to him as a badboy.

I totally think there are people who decided to buy a ticket because They like the bad boy thing and whole we don't know what's gonna happen next thing.

The proof that people won't buy a ticket because of the bad boy thing is everywhere. How many say Axl is a dick, he sucks, he goes onstage late so fuck him. He doesn't do anything for his fans etc.. Its a double edged sword. The media can be very pursuasive. They make and break careers everyday.

Fair enough mate but I doubt that people would stop going to Pearl Jam shows because of Eddie Veeder doing a few political rants.

And as far as Axl is concerned he barely gets any press anymore so don't see how that impacts current attendance and the reviews from the 2011 tour were pretty positive........The going on late thing has nothing to do with bad press as it is a fact that he does this and some people, myself included, stopped going to his shows as a result. JMO but I highly doubt the bad press he received in the past has any or minimal influence on peoples decision to go see NuGuns.

Just speaking for myself I stopped going because I got tired of waiting for him to decide to get on stage and the fact that his setlist is mostly the old hits played with a cover band. If Axl started going on stage on time and released some new music I liked I would go see NuGuns again in heartbeat......

And you are correct any bad press Axl gets is his own doing IMHO. He treated the press like shit for so long there is no reason for them to give him good press or any press these days...People can criticize Slash all they want for being a media whore but he knows it is part of the game. He has stated many times he hates doing interviews but knows it is a necessary evil to promote his music so he keeps doing interviews answering the same tired questions over an over......

If Axl put out some new music that people actually wanted to hear the attendance would take care of itself...until then I would not expect him to draw fans here in the U.S. as there are just too many other options for people to spend their limited descetionary income on........

Edited October 30, 2013 by classicrawker

[RussTCB]

For the record, I think it's amazing how many people have different perceptions on when (if at all) the new line ups had any public acceptance. I still don't think any post-1996 line up has even been "accepted" by the general public but I do think they had a ton of buzz at times and could have capitalized on it.

[Apollo]

It's wrong to ban people like MSL.

I'm sure MSL isn't crying himself to sleep.

He exposes everyone's bullshit and lies that's why they don't like him.

LOL. You truly are a funny guy. There is no way you can actually believe any of this. Unless you actually work for the band, or work for the band as an undercover spokesman (ala MSL).

Wrong to band people like him? He said he was trying to make this forum DIE. And every post he makes is full of insults and personal attacks on people. Why would the forum want him around?

Isn't crying himself to sleep? Ha. Go check out his forum. He's clearly bothered by this.

He doesn't expose anybody's "bullshit." If you mean he tries to discredit anybody who has an opinion that isn't 100% Axl worship - then yes, he is exposing people.

Just because people aren't worshipping Axl's every move, and just because people aren't obsessed with a 51-year-old rock singer doesn't mean they have some hidden agenda. You can be a fan of a band and not worship and praise their every move.

And in all seriousness, why don't you take your own advice?

On a daily basis you complain and whine/cry about posters on this forum.

Numerous times you've complained about how this forum is run.

You think Jarmo is a second-tier God, sitting just under Axl and Beta.

MSL is your hero (funny, your last hero on here was Warchild).

So why do you stay here? Why stay on a forum that is full of people you don't like, is run in a way you don't like it, and is a forum that has intelligent adult conversation about GnR (something you think shouldn't happen).

MSL's site, HTGTH and the band's pay-to-join forum are three sites where you can go and become a "team" with other people who do nothing but worship Axl's every move, 24/7. Why stay at a forum that causes you so much grief and aggravation? Why not go to the forums where you can worship your God and his people and where nothing negative is every allowed?

I'm not being sarcastic. It's weird you would stay posting here when you have so many other options that seem to fit your criteria to a T.

[volcano62]

It's wrong to ban people like MSL.

I'm sure MSL isn't crying himself to sleep.

He exposes everyone's bullshit and lies that's why they don't like him.

He said he was trying to make this forum DIE.

I didn't bother to read the rest of your gibberish babbling but do you actually think this is even possible?

Geez talk about paranoia.

[RussTCB]

Yes a blow up happened involving MSL, but that's not what the thread was intended to discuss.

Please try to keep the thread on topic.

[T.wa.T]

Classic Rawker -

There are thousands and thousands of rock bands. A very select few are able to consistently sell out US basketball arenas.

Out of thousands and thousands of rock acts, you named ten that you claimed have no problem selling out arenas.

So if your position is that in 2013, Guns N' Roses is not one of the top 10 most popular touring rock bands in the US, I agree with you. I never claimed they were.

However, if we dissect the ten acts you named, we find that you're actually wrong about all ten of them being able to easily sell out their arena tours. Which is not to criticize them at all, they are certainly some of the biggest drawing acts.

But when you look at the hard numbers, you will see that it's very rare to have a rock band that is able to tour US basketball arenas and sell out the majority of the dates.

So in your attempt to prove me wrong, you've actually proven me correct. My position is that GNR is more popular than 99% of rock bands in the world. So naming ten bands that are more popular only serves to prove my point.

Many of you live in some fantasy world where Axl Rose's life is a failure if GNR is not the most successful band on the planet.

Are we allowed to hold you to the same standard Classic Rawker? Are you one of the top 10 most successful in the world at what you do for a living? Most people would be very happy to be in the top 1%, but perhaps you are so successful in life that anything less than top 10 is a giant failure?

So what exactly is it that you do again? How many millions did you generate this year? Because Axl generated many millions and only had to work a few weeks this year, if that.

Anybody else find it hilarious that Classic Rawker linked to *worldwide* touring figures to prove how big other bands are in the US?!?! I got a big kick out of that one.

Do you even know what your point is Classic Rawker? My point is simple:

THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ROCK BANDS IN THE WORLD. A VERY TINY PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN GUNS N' ROSES.

Do you disagree with that? If not, why are you arguing with me? Nothing better to do with your time than lie about things you don't like?

How many of the thousands of rock bands were as popular as GnR was? they were once one of the biggest acts in Rock who could sell out arenas, just like the bands I mentioned in my previous posts, but now whose attendance here in the U.S diminishes with every tour here now..........

and you are the one claiming NuGnR is at the height of their popularity and it is increasing yet their attendance in the U.S. continues to decline...please explain the logic in that? You also cited the attendance at festivals to try to make you point which you know is bullshit as when they were not playing festivals they could not sell out 6-8 K arenas.....again your logic is flawed

And you still can't make your point without resorting to insults or attacking me....come back when you can defend your postion and express your opinion like a mature adult.......

Keep in mind that most things GnR does gets critiqued. Whether good or bad. Something as simple as a fan chat gets slammed by their fans, who cry that the band doesn't care our do anything.

The PR machines that Pearl Jam, Metallica, Bon Jovi etc.. use are top notch and all of their images and public profiles are carefully taken care of. You rarely hear anything bad said about them. Your a fool if you think they're all angels.

Axl has been fighting the ' bad guy' label from the start. Some is his fault, but most is driven by the media. Just like anything else.

So you figure the bands you mentioned can still sell out arenas because they have good PR and it not because of their music? Really?

During the Illusions tour, GnR was averaging 33,000 per show. Today?

Twat - why do you think the "media" has some hidden agenda to portray Axl in a negative light? Are you implying that there are actual people out there who want to buy a GnR concert ticket but then change their mind because of something they read about Axl in a newspaper?

Classic ~ of course their music is what puts people in the seats. Their public profiles are just as important. Ex: prior to attending a Pearl Jam show most fans/people don't know that at some point in the show Eddie Vedder is going to go on a rant about how America is this and that, and that George Bush is this or that. People got tired of it real quick and started booing. He eventually stopped doing it. That was a few years ago, now you never hear about it, why, the PR machine helps keeps it on the low down.

My point here is it hasn't followed them around like all the tedious bs that follows Axl. Again, Axl brings some of it on himself, but most of it is the media driven, bad boy image crap. He'll never be able to rid himself of that image, truth be told I like it and bought into it, like millions of others.

Grohgan~ The bad boy image has been used forever as a way to get young males and females to buy music or to get people to go to a movie.

During the 90's the media certainly had an agenda against Axl all the way up to the release of CD. As you know it went back and forth between the media and Axl since they got big. In the beginning Axl had the edge due to him being onstage. When he wasn't the media was able to attack him. Its rare to read anything from then without the writer callin him or refering to him as a badboy.

I totally think there are people who decided to buy a ticket because They like the bad boy thing and whole we don't know what's gonna happen next thing.

The proof that people won't buy a ticket because of the bad boy thing is everywhere. How many say Axl is a dick, he sucks, he goes onstage late so fuck him. He doesn't do anything for his fans etc.. Its a double edged sword. The media can be very pursuasive. They make and break careers everyday.

Fair enough mate but I doubt that people would stop going to Pearl Jam shows because of Eddie Veeder doing a few political rants.

And as far as Axl is concerned he barely gets any press anymore so don't see how that impacts current attendance and the reviews from the 2011 tour were pretty positive........The going on late thing has nothing to do with bad press as it is a fact that he does this and some people, myself included, stopped going to his shows as a result. JMO but I highly doubt the bad press he received in the past has any or minimal influence on peoples decision to go see NuGuns.

Just speaking for myself I stopped going because I got tired of waiting for him to decide to get on stage and the fact that his setlist is mostly the old hits played with a cover band. If Axl started going on stage on time and released some new music I liked I would go see NuGuns again in heartbeat......

And you are correct any bad press Axl gets is his own doing IMHO. He treated the press like shit for so long there is no reason for them to give him good press or any press these days...People can criticize Slash all they want for being a media whore but he knows it is part of the game. He has stated many times he hates doing interviews but knows it is a necessary evil to promote his music so he keeps doing interviews answering the same tired questions over an over......

If Axl put out some new music that people actually wanted to hear the attendance would take care of itself...until then I would not expect him to draw fans here in the U.S. as there are just too many other options for people to spend their limited descetionary income on........

Yeah, for sure people will continue to go, myself included, but it's the stigma that the artists get stuck with.

You kind of alluded to it before, about the music being most important, and youre right it should be, but in some cases (like GnR) it gets lost in all the crap. So the result is forums and its members bickering about trivial topics. Some which are true and most which are not.

It's hard not to pick a side or figure out what's what. In my case I try to look at each topic as it's own matter rather then make it as simple as an Axl vs Slash thing or whatever, imo I can't see how any of us can come to certain conclusions about some topics when we only know part of what really happened. But I suppose that's what this is all about. Lol

[T.wa.T]

For the record, I think it's amazing how many people have different perceptions on when (if at all) the new line ups had any public acceptance. I still don't think any post-1996 line up has even been "accepted" by the general public but I do think they had a ton of buzz at times and could have capitalized on it.

I agree, no doubt the Appetite/Illusion era will never be topped. I think the current line up missed a huge opportunity the past few years or so, to capitalise on the success they were having.

[D-GenerationX]

For the record, I think it's amazing how many people have different perceptions on when (if at all) the new line ups had any public acceptance. I still don't think any post-1996 line up has even been "accepted" by the general public but I do think they had a ton of buzz at times and could have capitalized on it.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Despite retaining one of the more famous names in rock history, they are all but an underground band.

Post-1993 they have :

- no hit albums

- no hit singles

- no one outside these forums that could have told you who else was in the band, any incarnation

- no serious interviews

- no videos

- no serious promotion

When were they MOST accepted by the public? I reject the premise of the question. They have had no impact post-1993. Who are we kidding here?

[ARBeast]

For the record, I think it's amazing how many people have different perceptions on when (if at all) the new line ups had any public acceptance. I still don't think any post-1996 line up has even been "accepted" by the general public but I do think they had a ton of buzz at times and could have capitalized on it.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Despite retaining one of the more famous names in rock history, they are all but an underground band.

Post-1993 they have :

- no hit albums

- no hit singles

- no one outside these forums that could have told you who else was in the band, any incarnation

- no serious interviews

- no videos

- no serious promotion

When were they MOST accepted by the public? I reject the premise of the question. They have had no impact post-1993. Who are we kidding here?

Agreed. I thought the new band had all the potential in the world, and they absolutely had all the hype.

I wanted to really see it in 2002 post MTV. I loved the comeback by Axl and brining Bucket and Robin in..too bad though.

[Apollo]

It's wrong to ban people like MSL.

I'm sure MSL isn't crying himself to sleep.

He exposes everyone's bullshit and lies that's why they don't like him.

He said he was trying to make this forum DIE.

I didn't bother to read the rest of your gibberish babbling but do you actually think this is even possible?

Geez talk about paranoia.

That makes me sad, as there were some points in there that I really hoped you'd address.

Would really LOVE if just one time, literally just ONE TIME, you would respond to things I've asked you. Gibberish babbling? No, sir. Just asking you questions and wanting your opinion mostly on things you've said. Not to be rude or offensive, but you seem to talk a lot of crap - but you never respond when people call you out on it. Seems odd. Not complaining as you have the right to post however you want. Just seems odd that you never really back up the stuff you throw out there. I've always wondered why that is.

As for the one thing you did respond to.

MSL has bragged in the past about trolling this forum - this is common knowledge.

Now he is implying that Slash is behind this forum's management team? LOL, that's purely because people assume that he is working for Beta and GnR as part of his settlement deal for when he tried to blackmail Axl (you do remember that, don't you? I'd assume you'd be very angry at him for doing that to your God) so his response to that is to accuse this forum of being paid by Slash.

And now Voltage has actual emails from him claiming he was going to do everything in his power to make the forum DIE??? how is that me being paranoid when it came straight out of MSL's mouth????

So in this particular case, based on the evidence and on things MSL has done/posted in the past, I 100% believe and support High Voltage's side of what happened.

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IMO the band had the rock world ready to explode for them when Axl returned and had Robin and Bucket in the band. If he'd released a couple albums with that line-up I think GnR would still be one of the most successful rock bands out there today. That band was exciting and full of promise and potential.

Even today's band has a lot of extremely interesting features to it and could become pretty popular and successful. But they aren't going to do it by playing the old band's hits every night.

Axl/Beta have got to let these guys record and release music. It's what the fans want.

Just my opinion though. I'm a die-hard Axl fan and would love to have more than one album of material over the past 15 years from the guy.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Groghan

[arnold layne]

From a completely biased standpoint, NuGuns hit big in 2006.

That was when they used to update the website frequently and Axl was ripped as shit. But times were just better back then so I don't know.

[Chainsforalice]

In my opinion i think next year will be amazing for GNR especially with the rumoured Blu Ray release, the 3D film getting a release in some areas of the world & the fact that down here in Australia they sold out every show in like a good hour with hardly any promotion, GNR now is like for the hardcore fans which i think is great as it weeds out the posers who only know WTTJ & SCOM.