Do you think Slash ever seriously considered joining NuGNR back in the early 00's???

[Bono]

Who the hells knows anymore but I often wonder what would happen if one of these twerps simply called the other up and said "hey fucker let's go for lunch, my treat". I bet these guys could work out there differences within an hour or two if it was just the two of them. Chances are Slash has no idea what the issue is anymore and I bet Axl doesn't either. All this bullshit with handlers and leaches and rumors and speculation and media has gotten in the way. I have no doubt team Brazil is terrified of the idea of Axl and Slash having unfiltered communication.

I'm not even joking I bet if Slash and Axl got into a studio and Slash threw out some of his stuff and Axl tossed some ideas at Slash these guys could come up with a killer set of songs within weeks. Maybe not a full album right off the bat bu ta pretty damn good foundation for an album,.

It'll never happen though because they are both dumbasses.

[AndreCC]

Who the hells knows anymore but I often wonder what would happen if one of these twerps simply called the other up and said "hey fucker let's go for lunch, my treat". I bet these guys could work out there differences within an hour or two if it was just the two of them. Chances are Slash has no idea what the issue is anymore and I bet Axl doesn't either. All this bullshit with handlers and leaches and rumors and speculation and media has gotten in the way. I have no doubt team Brazil is terrified of the idea of Axl and Slash having unfiltered communication.

I'm not even joking I bet if Slash and Axl got into a studio and Slash threw out some of his stuff and Axl tossed some ideas at Slash these guys could come up with a killer set of songs within weeks. Maybe not a full album right off the bat bu ta pretty damn good foundation for an album,.

It'll never happen though because they are both dumbasses.

That isn't how things go.

If you had a gf who had betrayed you for several years and you had find her out and break up with her, would you be willing to talk with her again on good terms??

That's what Axl feels Slash did... he betrayed him for 10 years and held his career as hostage. Tried to manipulate his fanbase into making Axl the bad guy.

Tried to kill his career to leave him with no choice but to reunite with him and the others. Tried to put Axl in a position on where Axl would have to beg him to comeback.

Fuck no i wouldn't! I could care less about Slash at this point if i was in Axl's position. I surely wouldn't forgive him...

Edited November 4, 2013 by AndreCC

[classicrawker]

I don't think it's disputed, magisme. If I'm not mistaken he admits it himself on his book, but, obviously, said it was a misunderstanding... lol Slash.

Hey Amir, where did you get that Izzy at Rio info?

Sorry mate you are mistaken....He denies it ever happened in his book on page 419........After he was refused entrance to the NuGuns show at the Vegas Hard Rock he called the promoter who told him he would get him in and was told rumour had it he was spotted with his guitar and top hat which he says is preposterous as he did not have a guitar with him in Vegas.......there are no confirmed sources that he had a guitar with him in Vegas................check your sources before you start spreading misinformation...........

Depends who you believe. Axl says it happened, Slash denies it in his book. There is no concrete evidence that it's true.

Then again, Slash also denied he went to Axl's house at the middle of the night, only to admit later he did.

Manets claims Slash admitted having his guitar with him which is false. He should check his info before posting bogus statements...........

And please provide the quote from Axl where he says Slash had his guitar with him...and let's say Axl did say this, did Axl actually see him with the guitar walking through he lobby? I don't think so.................

[Bono]

Who the hells knows anymore but I often wonder what would happen if one of these twerps simply called the other up and said "hey fucker let's go for lunch, my treat". I bet these guys could work out there differences within an hour or two if it was just the two of them. Chances are Slash has no idea what the issue is anymore and I bet Axl doesn't either. All this bullshit with handlers and leaches and rumors and speculation and media has gotten in the way. I have no doubt team Brazil is terrified of the idea of Axl and Slash having unfiltered communication.

I'm not even joking I bet if Slash and Axl got into a studio and Slash threw out some of his stuff and Axl tossed some ideas at Slash these guys could come up with a killer set of songs within weeks. Maybe not a full album right off the bat bu ta pretty damn good foundation for an album,.

It'll never happen though because they are both dumbasses.

That isn't how things go.

If you had a gf who had betrayed you for several years and you had find her out and break up with her, would you be willing to talk with her again on good terms??

That's what Axl feels Slash did... he betrayed him for 10 years and held his career as hostage. Tried to manipulate his fanbase into making Axl the bad guy.

Tried to kill his career to leave him with no choice but to reunite with him and the others. Tried to put Axl in a position on where Axl would have to beg him to comeback.

Fuck no i wouldn't! I could care less about Slash at this point if i was in Axl's position. I surely wouldn't forgive him...

True, Axl is the irrational, psycho ex girlfriend. Having said that if Slash called up and talked to AXL himself I'm sure things would be different. But that will never happen because he's gotta go through the maid and the pool boy first before he could ever talk to Axl

[wasted]

Shit, was it just some journalist's phrase? If it was we're bickering over nothing.

No, this world altering shit.

I doubt whoever said it meant anything by it. Even if was taken out of context by us and used to fuel an another rocking thread on the way to Chinese Democracy II.

"everybody's talking about the stormy weather"

[classicrawker]

He has tried to get back in GNR many many times... but i dunno whether he would accept being included in the band. I think he wants a reunion.

Citation please

This.

I've never heard any solid source claim that Slash "tried to get back in GNR many times"

It's pretty well documented.

1. His interviews that let people believe he was still in GNR (while Axl then released that letter claiming Slash hadn't been part of GNR for some amount of time)

2. The day he showed up at the House of Blues with his guitar in hand

3. The day he went to Axl's house to try to resolve their court case and try a settlement, burn VR and get back in Guns.

4. His various interviews saying he would love to get back with Guns for the kids who haven't seen the Original Band perform.

5. His deliberate association with Guns N'Roses the last few years (Guitar Hero... etc etc etc)

It's pretty clear he wants in, otherwise he wouldn't do what he does, and i say Duff wants in as well.

1. Please provide interviews where Slash claims he is still in Guns after he quit

2. Slash denies this so do you have quotes from someone who actually saw him with guitar in hand?

3. At least you got the reason he went to Axl's house correct, to try to settle a court case. Beta is the only one who claims Slash slandered VR which he denies so it is her word against Slash and even Marc has said she hates Slash. Beta never claimed Slash asked back into Guns.

4. Slash has never denied he was up for a reunion with the original members but has never to my knowledge stated he wanted in with NuGuns.......

5. Deliberate association? oh you mean he plays Guns songs that he helped write? your grasping here mate.

All of the claims you made that what you wrote is well documented is bullshit as you can't provide any citation for any of it...if you are going to state it as fact show citation or STFU..........

[trqster]

At the end of the day fact is that Slash always wins....Axl's Gn'R will never be taken seriously by the industry and the original fan base, unless Slash gets back in the 'band'...simple as that.

[volcano62]

At the end of the day fact is that Slash always wins....Axl's Gn'R will never be taken seriously by the industry and the original fan base, unless Slash gets back in the 'band'...simple as that.

Funny it's been almost 20 years and the band is doing just fine without him.

If the whole thing wasn't profitable they would just call it quits.

[Bono]

At the end of the day fact is that Slash always wins....Axl's Gn'R will never be taken seriously by the industry and the original fan base, unless Slash gets back in the 'band'...simple as that.

Funny it's been almost 20 years and the band is doing just fine without him.

If the whole thing wasn't profitable they would just call it quits.

And by fine you mean one medicore(at best) album in almost 20 years, constantly touring off the old band's merrits, no relevance whatsoever on mainstream radio, alienating the majority of the fans....... yeah you're right. They're doing just fine. A resounding success as a matter of fact.

[recklessroad]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

[Amir]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

Thanks for this, Marc. How did Slash know? Did you tell him, or did someone from Axl's "camp" tell him? Do you know what those 3 songs were? I guess This I Love was one of them.

[classicrawker]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

Thanks Mark but do you really think Slash would have joined NuGuns as Axl's employee?

[Apollo]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

I suppose the question is working with Axl along with his current band at the time........like keeping Guns n Roses alive, but with Slash/Axl and then all new guys?

[jmapelian]

Who the hells knows anymore but I often wonder what would happen if one of these twerps simply called the other up and said "hey fucker let's go for lunch, my treat". I bet these guys could work out there differences within an hour or two if it was just the two of them. Chances are Slash has no idea what the issue is anymore and I bet Axl doesn't either. All this bullshit with handlers and leaches and rumors and speculation and media has gotten in the way. I have no doubt team Brazil is terrified of the idea of Axl and Slash having unfiltered communication.

I'm not even joking I bet if Slash and Axl got into a studio and Slash threw out some of his stuff and Axl tossed some ideas at Slash these guys could come up with a killer set of songs within weeks. Maybe not a full album right off the bat bu ta pretty damn good foundation for an album,.

It'll never happen though because they are both dumbasses.

That isn't how things go.

If you had a gf who had betrayed you for several years and you had find her out and break up with her, would you be willing to talk with her again on good terms??

That's what Axl feels Slash did... he betrayed him for 10 years and held his career as hostage. Tried to manipulate his fanbase into making Axl the bad guy.

Tried to kill his career to leave him with no choice but to reunite with him and the others. Tried to put Axl in a position on where Axl would have to beg him to comeback.

Fuck no i wouldn't! I could care less about Slash at this point if i was in Axl's position. I surely wouldn't forgive him...

Please, if that's what you're syaing about slash, than the same can be said equally for izzy and duff since they've both said the same things about axl as slash has said. The only difference is a few chance encounters with izzy and duff where they actually talked man to an. Slash has tried to hash things out with axl in the past but axl seems to be a little bit of a bitch and can't go halfway.

[recklessroad]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

Thanks for this, Marc. How did Slash know? Did you tell him, or did someone from Axl's "camp" tell him? Do you know what those 3 songs were? I guess This I Love was one of them.

I did tell him but I also think he may have known from Tom Z

[recklessroad]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

Thanks Mark but do you really think Slash would have joined NuGuns as Axl's employee?

I think he would have at least worked on the 3 songs that Axl wanted him to play on and then tried to work him self back in somehow. I don't think that money would have been an issue because Axl would have made sure that he got his fair share.

I'm not sure if it would have worked anyway. If Slash did the songs and Axl felt that The lead was not right, I don't think Slash would have change it. The fact that Axl was now in charge would mean that Slash would not be able to stand his ground but I think it still would have worked because I think what ever Slash would have done, would have most likely fit well.

I don't know how that would have worked out for a live gig? Maybe having both old and new line ups doing 2 different sets? Too bad they couldn't hire someone to help them work that out. All they really needed was someone to explain to both of them where the other one was coming from. I guess that Axl was just to upset with some of the things that Slash had said about him after the split to be willing to work with him again without an apology.

I know that later on Axl vented about Slash but the only way for them both to know what really went wrong is if they both went to the same counselor and put in the time that it would have taken to fully understand both sides.

The way I see it their chemistry together was so good that it would have been worth the effort to get that taking care of. One thing for sure, Axl would have been able to get so much more done if he got that Monkey of his back. I wish I would thought about making them go for help at that time. I didn't really know about counseling worked back then. If I could go back in time to 2001, I know that I could have got them to go for help.

[Rovim]

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

Thanks Mark but do you really think Slash would have joined NuGuns as Axl's employee?

I think he would have at least worked on the 3 songs that Axl wanted him to play on and then tried to work him self back in somehow. I don't think that money would have been an issue because Axl would have made sure that he got his fair share.

I'm not sure if it would have worked anyway. If Slash did the songs and Axl felt that The lead was not right, I don't think Slash would have change it. The fact that Axl was now in charge would mean that Slash would not be able to stand his ground but I think it still would have worked because I think what ever Slash would have done, would have most likely fit well.

I don't know how that would have worked out for a live gig? Maybe having both old and new line ups doing 2 different sets? Too bad they couldn't hire someone to help them work that out. All they really needed was someone to explain to both of them where the other one was coming from. I guess that Axl was just to upset with some of the things that Slash had said about him after the split to be willing to work with him again without an apology.

I know that later on Axl vented about Slash but the only way for them both to know what really went wrong is if they both went to the same counselor and put in the time that it would have taken to fully understand both sides.

The way I see it their chemistry together was so good that it would have been worth the effort to get that taking care of. One thing for sure, Axl would have been able to get so much more done if he got that Monkey of his back. I wish I would thought about making them go for help at that time. I didn't really know about counseling worked back then. If I could go back in time to 2001, I know that I could have got them to go for help.

Damn... what a fucking tragedy. I would have loved to at least have Slash play on 3 songs. It's weird though, cause now that I know all the guitar parts on Chinese, I wouldn't give some of them up to have a potential Slash solo or lead.

There Was A Time and Better come to mind. But yeah it would probably fit well as you say. I mean, Axl's voice and Slash's guitar were perfect together.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Rovim

[Bobbo]

Do I believe Slash is more willing to try and work things out than Axl? Especially for financial motives? Sure.

Do I believe Slash would do anything to get back into "GNR" and is "begging" for his job back? Fuck no.

There's no way I believe Slash would run with just Axl's vision, and just accept a position as an employee with no kind of final say or vote. And I sure as shit don't believe he would accept being run by an inexperienced ex housekeeper and her family (along with several other hanger-ons), who would be ridiculously biased towards Axl's desires. If that were the case, he would have caved in 2001 after both Snakepit albums did less than impressive commercially and the fate of his career was uncertain at best. He would had just apologized.

But he didn't, and that says a lot to me.

He's not exactly a former member of Warrant and seems far from being broke.

Also, not to sound like a mindless apologist, but in fairness to Slash, he never exactly denied going to Axl's house (unless I'm forgetting something). He just denied the alleged statements and didn't go into anymore detail about it. Although, I agree he should have just been upfront in the first place. But the whole lying about going to Axl's house and then admitting to going there thing, is, at the very least, an exaggeration.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Bobbo

[Amir]

Maybe those 3 songs got scrapped for the same reasons Axl decided not to go with the Slash/Duff demos that he said sounded like "2000 Rocks": because only Slash could do justice to them.

[AndreCC]

He has tried to get back in GNR many many times... but i dunno whether he would accept being included in the band. I think he wants a reunion.

Citation please

This.

I've never heard any solid source claim that Slash "tried to get back in GNR many times"

It's pretty well documented.

1. His interviews that let people believe he was still in GNR (while Axl then released that letter claiming Slash hadn't been part of GNR for some amount of time)

2. The day he showed up at the House of Blues with his guitar in hand

3. The day he went to Axl's house to try to resolve their court case and try a settlement, burn VR and get back in Guns.

4. His various interviews saying he would love to get back with Guns for the kids who haven't seen the Original Band perform.

5. His deliberate association with Guns N'Roses the last few years (Guitar Hero... etc etc etc)

It's pretty clear he wants in, otherwise he wouldn't do what he does, and i say Duff wants in as well.

1. Please provide interviews where Slash claims he is still in Guns after he quit

2. Slash denies this so do you have quotes from someone who actually saw him with guitar in hand?

3. At least you got the reason he went to Axl's house correct, to try to settle a court case. Beta is the only one who claims Slash slandered VR which he denies so it is her word against Slash and even Marc has said she hates Slash. Beta never claimed Slash asked back into Guns.

4. Slash has never denied he was up for a reunion with the original members but has never to my knowledge stated he wanted in with NuGuns.......

5. Deliberate association? oh you mean he plays Guns songs that he helped write? your grasping here mate.

All of the claims you made that what you wrote is well documented is bullshit as you can't provide any citation for any of it...if you are going to state it as fact show citation or STFU..........

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYWyACutsg

2. Slash was there. He said it himself admitted that in his book (Slash always carries a guitar, everywhere he goes, as Duff carries a bass, u know that as well).

3. Slash's statements about VR: Duff's spineless yada yada (and that was actually planned for a settlement so they could reunite, Duff would come along the way easily since the problem was between Axl and Slash). Have no way of proving Duff knew about, however Slash had Axl in court and Duff went along with Slash to try to get a settlement a reunite. Funny you point out the fact that Marc admitted that Beta doesn't like Slash, but yet you don't point out the fact that Marc also said that Slash could have lied a few times.

4. I didn't say he wanted in with NUGuns, I said he wanted in in GNR (The brand name), eventually with Izzy and Duff. The Original Line-up. He has talked about that many interviews stating he would like to do a reunion tour for the kids who didn't have the chance to see the Original Band.

5. Whether he played/wrote those songs or not, the name and brand GUNS N' ROSES belongs to Axl, so he has no business associating himself with anything that belongs to GUNS N' ROSES unless the owner of it Axl wants or has no problems with it. It was his choice to sign out of the name... and that is a FACT!

Edited November 5, 2013 by AndreCC

[wasted]

Somehow I still think there will be a reunion. When Izzy decides he wants to do it.

[classicrawker]

He has tried to get back in GNR many many times... but i dunno whether he would accept being included in the band. I think he wants a reunion.

Citation please

This.

I've never heard any solid source claim that Slash "tried to get back in GNR many times"

It's pretty well documented.

1. His interviews that let people believe he was still in GNR (while Axl then released that letter claiming Slash hadn't been part of GNR for some amount of time)

2. The day he showed up at the House of Blues with his guitar in hand

3. The day he went to Axl's house to try to resolve their court case and try a settlement, burn VR and get back in Guns.

4. His various interviews saying he would love to get back with Guns for the kids who haven't seen the Original Band perform.

5. His deliberate association with Guns N'Roses the last few years (Guitar Hero... etc etc etc)

It's pretty clear he wants in, otherwise he wouldn't do what he does, and i say Duff wants in as well.

1. Please provide interviews where Slash claims he is still in Guns after he quit

2. Slash denies this so do you have quotes from someone who actually saw him with guitar in hand?

3. At least you got the reason he went to Axl's house correct, to try to settle a court case. Beta is the only one who claims Slash slandered VR which he denies so it is her word against Slash and even Marc has said she hates Slash. Beta never claimed Slash asked back into Guns.

4. Slash has never denied he was up for a reunion with the original members but has never to my knowledge stated he wanted in with NuGuns.......

5. Deliberate association? oh you mean he plays Guns songs that he helped write? your grasping here mate.

All of the claims you made that what you wrote is well documented is bullshit as you can't provide any citation for any of it...if you are going to state it as fact show citation or STFU..........

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYWyACutsg

2. Slash was there. He said it himself admitted that in his book (Slash always carries a guitar, everywhere he goes, as Duff carries a bass, u know that as well).

3. Slash's statements about VR: Duff's spineless yada yada (and that was actually planned for a settlement so they could reunite, Duff would come along the way easily since the problem was between Axl and Slash). Have no way of proving Duff knew about, however Slash had Axl in court and Duff went along with Slash to try to get a settlement a reunite. Funny you point out the fact that Marc admitted that Beta doesn't like Slash, but yet you don't point out the fact that Marc also said that Slash could have lied a few times.

4. I didn't say he wanted in with NUGuns, I said he wanted in in GNR (The brand name), eventually with Izzy and Duff. The Original Line-up. He has talked about that many interviews stating he would like to do a reunion tour for the kids who didn't have the chance to see the Original Band.

5. Whether he played/wrote those songs or not, the name and brand GUNS N' ROSES belongs to Axl, so he has no business associating himself with anything that belongs to GUNS N' ROSES unless the owner of it Axl wants or has no problems with it. It was his choice to sign out of the name... and that is a FACT!

All of the above is a matter of opinion and I would hardly call your opinion well documented proof mate....................

And I watched the video posted and at the end of the video the VJ states Slash sent a statement to MTV saying he was out of the band which was verifed here

http://www.entertainmentscene360.com/index.php/why-did-slash-leave-guns-n-roses-9691/

So I would hardly call that repeatedly claiming he was still in the band...

Edited November 5, 2013 by classicrawker

[Amir]

It's weird to think of Slash being in Axl's GNR and not Duff or Matt. I guess if Slash was part of the touring as well it'd just look like Old Guns to a lot of the public.

"Is there any chance you'll work with the former members of Guns N' Roses in the future?

I could see doing a song or so on the side with Izzy [stradlin] or having him out [on tour] again. I'm not so comfortable with doing anything having more than one of the alumni. Maybe something with Duff [McKagan], but that's it, and not something I'd have to really get down into, as I'd get left with sorting it out and then blamed on top of it. So, no, not me."

Slash on 3 songs (of perhaps a planned trilogy of albums...), Izzy on a track, Duff on one... It'd be interesting to see what the CD project would have turned out like if the key players of old Guns were on board. Then again, we wouldn't have songs like Sorry or Crucify the Dead, and Duff and Matt made it clear they weren't willing to work on stuff like Oh My God. Axl's struggle with Slash seems to be a key them of Chinese Democracy, so I just can't see it.

[DieselDaisy]

It is just another example of Axl's colossal hubris, that he deemed it a perfectly reasonable suggestion to ask Slash to contribute to three Guns N’ Roses songs like a bloody guest musician!!

[GnR Chris]

My understanding is Axl was willing or wanted Slash to play guitar on a couple of songs on Chinese Democracy, but only if Slash publicly apologized for what Axl saw as his transgressions. That wasn't going to happen.

I think Slash with guitar was there at the new Guns lineup show thinking maybe they could bury the hatchet after all and just jam like old friends. Little else. But Axl was obviously still angry with Slash plus viewed it as a detrimental distraction to what he was trying to accomplish with a moving on lineup.

Marc, didn't you also say Slash at one point was hoping Axl would put out CD and "get it out of his system" and eventually come back to the classic lineup or whatever?

Edited November 5, 2013 by GnR Chris