Do you think Slash ever seriously considered joining NuGNR back in the early 00's???

[classicrawker]

My understanding is Axl was willing or wanted Slash to play guitar on a couple of songs on Chinese Democracy, but only if Slash publicly apologized for what Axl saw as his transgressions. That wasn't going to happen.

I think Slash with guitar was there at the new Guns lineup show thinking maybe they could bury the hatchet after all and just jam like old friends. Little else. But Axl was obviously still angry with Slash plus viewed it as a detrimental distraction to what he was trying to accomplish with a moving on lineup.

Marc, didn't you also say Slash at one point was hoping Axl would put out CD and "get it out of his system" and eventually come back to the classic lineup or whatever?

Except Slash denies he had his guitar with him and it has never been verified that he did...............

[DieselDaisy]

In fairness, Slash also denied that he went to Axl's house drunk in two seperate interviews!

[Guest Len B'stard]

I thought he denied it too. Could be wrong. Seems kind of ridiculous that Slash would be walking around the Hard Rock carrying his guitar.

Edit: I mean HOB.

I read the book and i don't remember him saying that. And in answer to the threads title question, not unless he was seriously fucking pissed.

[Rovim]

In fairness, Slash also denied that he went to Axl's house drunk in two seperate interviews!

Yeah I don't get how some people here can't accept that Slash may have lied about the Vegas guitar in hand thing as well.

Here, he at least misled the public about going to Axl's house, so is it really that much of a leap for him to lie about Vegas?

Most Gn'R fans don't come to forums to talk about the band, so if Slash was in Vegas with a guitar in hand, and people saw it, it's possible we don't have confirmation of it.

I don't even think it's such a big deal if Slash did that and lied about it. Like someone in this thread said, he probably thought it would be cool to jam with the new band. The situation back then was not as shitty as it is now between Axl and Slash imo. Or at least, Slash didn't think it was.

Btw, Slash misleading the public about going to Axl's house and Marc saying Slash lies, doesn't mean he lied about Vegas. It's possible that he told the truth.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Rovim

[magisme]

In fairness, Slash also denied that he went to Axl's house drunk in two seperate interviews!

Yeah I don't get how some people here can't accept that Slash may have lied about the Vegas guitar in hand thing as well.

Has anyone in the thread said that there is no way Slash has lied? Has anyone here said Slash's word on the subject Is gospel? Sure, he may have lied. But he also may not have. And until there is a credible source saying that he showed up guitar-in-hand, why would anyone take such a scenario as a given truth like the OP did, which is what started this whole discussion. It wasn't Slashites starting a thread about how Slash definitely didn't have a guitar in his hand; it was one of Axl's boys (presumably) stating that Slash was guitar-in-hand, without the slightest hesitation about that claims veracity. OP said the story was "well documented." WTF? I promise, man, if you show me that this is well documented, I will do an about face.

[Rovim]

In fairness, Slash also denied that he went to Axl's house drunk in two seperate interviews!

Yeah I don't get how some people here can't accept that Slash may have lied about the Vegas guitar in hand thing as well.

Has anyone in the thread said that there is no way Slash has lied? Has anyone here said Slash's word on the subject Is gospel? Sure, he may have lied. But he also may not have. And until there is a credible source saying that he showed up guitar-in-hand, why would anyone take such a scenario as a given truth like the OP did, which is what started this whole discussion. It wasn't Slashites starting a thread about how Slash definitely didn't have a guitar in his hand; it was one of Axl's boys (presumably) stating that Slash was guitar-in-hand, without the slightest hesitation about that claims veracity. OP said the story was "well documented." WTF? I promise, man, if you show me that this is well documented, I will do an about face.

Like I said, it's possible Slash told the truth, but he does have a less then steller reputation of being honest and telling it like it is, so it's not that far fetched of a scenario that he was in Vegas guitar in hand, wanting to jam with Axl and the band and denying it ever happened after they didn't let him even get in.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Rovim

[Apollo]

Rov - only on this forum and because Canter said that Slash tells white lies is Slash known as somebody who doesn't always tell the truth. In the real world nobody else thinks like we do on here, micromanaging every comment and topic to death. One guy said that slash tells white lies and Slash had some dates wrong in his book - OH MY GOSH, his constant lying really defines who he is as a person. People on this forum blow things way out of proportion.

I'd bet I'm about 99% correct when I make this guess:

Slash tried to go to the GnR show as he was curious to see how the new band sounded and to give the guys some moral support. He wasn't going to force his way onstage or backstage. But if Axl would have asked him to come jam on a song or to come backstage after the show and meet everybody - Slash would have said "hell ya."

Slash went to Axl's house - like a man - to try and have a talk with Axl. He didn't do it via text or through business managers or agents. He thought "this is stupid, I'm gonna go talk to Axl and see if we can't hash the feud out." Unfortunately, Momma Beta stopped that from happening.

Strangely a few posters on this forum have twisted both of those events around to try and make Slash look as bad or desperate as possible instead of just figuring out the most logical reason behind each event.

[magisme]

Again, according to whom did this happen?

[Rovim]

Rov - only on this forum and because Canter said that Slash tells white lies is Slash known as somebody who doesn't always tell the truth. In the real world nobody else thinks like we do on here, micromanaging every comment and topic to death. One guy said that slash tells white lies and Slash had some dates wrong in his book - OH MY GOSH, his constant lying really defines who he is as a person. People on this forum blow things way out of proportion.

I'd bet I'm about 99% correct when I make this guess:

Slash tried to go to the GnR show as he was curious to see how the new band sounded and to give the guys some moral support. He wasn't going to force his way onstage or backstage. But if Axl would have asked him to come jam on a song or to come backstage after the show and meet everybody - Slash would have said "hell ya."

Slash went to Axl's house - like a man - to try and have a talk with Axl. He didn't do it via text or through business managers or agents. He thought "this is stupid, I'm gonna go talk to Axl and see if we can't hash the feud out." Unfortunately, Momma Beta stopped that from happening.

Strangely a few posters on this forum have twisted both of those events around to try and make Slash look as bad or desperate as possible instead of just figuring out the most logical reason behind each event.

Rov - only on this forum and because Canter said that Slash tells white lies is Slash known as somebody who doesn't always tell the truth. In the real world nobody else thinks like we do on here, micromanaging every comment and topic to death. One guy said that slash tells white lies and Slash had some dates wrong in his book - OH MY GOSH, his constant lying really defines who he is as a person. People on this forum blow things way out of proportion.

I'd bet I'm about 99% correct when I make this guess:

Slash tried to go to the GnR show as he was curious to see how the new band sounded and to give the guys some moral support. He wasn't going to force his way onstage or backstage. But if Axl would have asked him to come jam on a song or to come backstage after the show and meet everybody - Slash would have said "hell ya."

Slash went to Axl's house - like a man - to try and have a talk with Axl. He didn't do it via text or through business managers or agents. He thought "this is stupid, I'm gonna go talk to Axl and see if we can't hash the feud out." Unfortunately, Momma Beta stopped that from happening.

Strangely a few posters on this forum have twisted both of those events around to try and make Slash look as bad or desperate as possible instead of just figuring out the most logical reason behind each event.

In the real world people probably know way less about Slash then the average fan here, so it's not that relevant what they think to me.

I never said constant lying - that's your words, not mine. I believe what Marc said: it's very important to Slash to look cool, so that's why I think he lied in some occasions.

I also don't think Slash was going to force his way up to the stage. I actually believe his intention was quite innocent.

Not trying to make Slash look bad, just trying to understand more about what happened, and I disagree with just letting Slash enjoy the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what really happened, so I tend to not dismiss what Axl said about it as well, which was the complete opposite of what Slash said.

Again, according to whom did this happen?

Axl talked about how people he trusted saw Slash with a guitar in hand. He seems pretty sure it happened. This makes me believe it's possible that it happened. That, and Slash misleading the public about going to Axl's house, and what Marc said about Slash (cares about looking cool, lies sometimes)

Edited November 6, 2013 by Rovim

[magisme]

So Axl's hearsay vs. Slash's word. Sounds like nothing credible on either side. For Christ's sake, this band is boring as fuck that we're discussing this bullshit.

[Rovim]

So Axl's hearsay vs. Slash's word. Sounds like nothing credible on either side. For Christ's sake, this band is boring as fuck that we're discussing this bullshit.

Slash's word is pretty weak to me tbh, Axl's have been pretty consistent over the years so the hearsay does have value to me.

It's not boring to me, and this is a Gn'R forum so why not? Besides, it's not like we have to discuss every thread that is being started. (to point the obvious)

[magisme]

Yeah, Axl is a beacon of truth.

[Apollo]

Rov I wasn't saying YOU did that.........just responding to your post and to the general feeling amongst 4-5 posters on here are constantly bash Slash by saying he is a liar. They've taken this one casual sentence from Canter and made it sound like Slash is a pathological liar.

******

Just out of curiosity, what is the big deal about him having a guitar player?

As a professional guitar player, I'd imagine it would be pretty common for him to carry a guitar with him while traveling?

Did he have it when he walked up to the entrance of the concert?

Even if he did, why is that a big deal again?

Maybe he brought it just in case Axl did decide to let him come jam on a few songs?

I guess I never paid much attention to this part of the story, as it didn't seem very important or critical to me.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Groghan

[Rovim]

Yeah, Axl is a beacon of truth.

Yeah cause there are only 2 options: a pathological liar, and a beacon of truth.

Axl's word is just more credible compared to Slash's imo. That's all.

Rov I wasn't saying YOU did that.........just responding to your post and to the general feeling amongst 4-5 posters on here are constantly bash Slash by saying he is a liar. They've taken this one casual sentence from Canter and made it sound like Slash is a pathological liar.

The Slash bashing is silly, but just because there are some here that love to shit on the man doesn't mean it's wrong to criticize or question his actions.

Rov I wasn't saying YOU did that.........just responding to your post and to the general feeling amongst 4-5 posters on here are constantly bash Slash by saying he is a liar. They've taken this one casual sentence from Canter and made it sound like Slash is a pathological liar.

******

Just out of curiosity, what is the big deal about him having a guitar player?

As a professional guitar player, I'd imagine it would be pretty common for him to carry a guitar with him while traveling?

Did he have it when he walked up to the entrance of the concert?

Even if he did, why is that a big deal again?

Maybe he brought it just in case Axl did decide to let him come jam on a few songs?

I guess I never paid much attention to this part of the story, as it didn't seem very important or critical to me.

On it's own, it's not a big deal, but if he was there with a guitar at hand, attempting to play with Axl, then that's a big deal to me as a Gn'R fan. Just because the history I guess, and Slash just casually trying to go to a new Gn'R show with a guitar while there are all new members on that stage.

That, and the fact that he denied it ever happening. I would love to know what really happened that night.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Rovim

[kecleveland]

A few years back when Axl chatted on various forums, didn't he confirm that Azoff almost had a tour with the old lineup booked? I don't remember the exact quote, but Axl seemed to have been okay with the idea up to some point.

[moreblack]

While I think Axl was bitter towards Slash then, I don't think the mega-hatred came until '05/'06 after the whole Slash coming to the house incident and the suing over unpaid royalties deal.

I don't think it came that late, some of his rants in the '02 tour were pretty poisonous.

[Rovim]

While I think Axl was bitter towards Slash then, I don't think the mega-hatred came until '05/'06 after the whole Slash coming to the house incident and the suing over unpaid royalties deal.

I don't think it came that late, some of his rants in the '02 tour were pretty poisonous.

It's weird that he wanted Slash to play on 3 songs just a year before that?

I guess a lot can change in a year.

[wasted]

Just the fact he was going is weird.

[DieselDaisy]

Slash was pissed as a fart when he went to Axl's house. I have it on good authority that, having puked on Axl's driveway and screamed ''Axl, I luv you'', he asked Beta to 'get her tits out.' Proper Stoke lad is Slash.

[volcano62]

Slash was pissed as a fart when he went to Axl's house. I have it on good authority that, having puked on Axl's driveway and screamed ''Axl, I luv you'', he asked Beta to 'get her tits out.' Proper Stoke lad is Slash.

I hope this is true

[jmapelian]

Rov - only on this forum and because Canter said that Slash tells white lies is Slash known as somebody who doesn't always tell the truth. In the real world nobody else thinks like we do on here, micromanaging every comment and topic to death. One guy said that slash tells white lies and Slash had some dates wrong in his book - OH MY GOSH, his constant lying really defines who he is as a person. People on this forum blow things way out of proportion.

I'd bet I'm about 99% correct when I make this guess:

Slash tried to go to the GnR show as he was curious to see how the new band sounded and to give the guys some moral support. He wasn't going to force his way onstage or backstage. But if Axl would have asked him to come jam on a song or to come backstage after the show and meet everybody - Slash would have said "hell ya."

Slash went to Axl's house - like a man - to try and have a talk with Axl. He didn't do it via text or through business managers or agents. He thought "this is stupid, I'm gonna go talk to Axl and see if we can't hash the feud out." Unfortunately, Momma Beta stopped that from happening.

Strangely a few posters on this forum have twisted both of those events around to try and make Slash look as bad or desperate as possible instead of just figuring out the most logical reason behind each event.

Rov - only on this forum and because Canter said that Slash tells white lies is Slash known as somebody who doesn't always tell the truth. In the real world nobody else thinks like we do on here, micromanaging every comment and topic to death. One guy said that slash tells white lies and Slash had some dates wrong in his book - OH MY GOSH, his constant lying really defines who he is as a person. People on this forum blow things way out of proportion.

I'd bet I'm about 99% correct when I make this guess:

Slash tried to go to the GnR show as he was curious to see how the new band sounded and to give the guys some moral support. He wasn't going to force his way onstage or backstage. But if Axl would have asked him to come jam on a song or to come backstage after the show and meet everybody - Slash would have said "hell ya."

Slash went to Axl's house - like a man - to try and have a talk with Axl. He didn't do it via text or through business managers or agents. He thought "this is stupid, I'm gonna go talk to Axl and see if we can't hash the feud out." Unfortunately, Momma Beta stopped that from happening.

Strangely a few posters on this forum have twisted both of those events around to try and make Slash look as bad or desperate as possible instead of just figuring out the most logical reason behind each event.

In the real world people probably know way less about Slash then the average fan here, so it's not that relevant what they think to me.

I never said constant lying - that's your words, not mine. I believe what Marc said: it's very important to Slash to look cool, so that's why I think he lied in some occasions.

I also don't think Slash was going to force his way up to the stage. I actually believe his intention was quite innocent.

Not trying to make Slash look bad, just trying to understand more about what happened, and I disagree with just letting Slash enjoy the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what really happened, so I tend to not dismiss what Axl said about it as well, which was the complete opposite of what Slash said.

Again, according to whom did this happen?

Axl talked about how people he trusted saw Slash with a guitar in hand. He seems pretty sure it happened. This makes me believe it's possible that it happened. That, and Slash misleading the public about going to Axl's house, and what Marc said about Slash (cares about looking cool, lies sometimes)

Yeah, ppeople axl trusts -- so it must have been either beta,fernando or the daughter -- none of which would have ulterior motives....lol

Slash was pissed as a fart when he went to Axl's house. I have it on good authority that, having puked on Axl's driveway and screamed ''Axl, I luv you'', he asked Beta to 'get her tits out.' Proper Stoke lad is Slash.

I hope this is true

Only if slash gave beta a golden shower after puking all over her tits

[Turn_It_Up]

While I think Axl was bitter towards Slash then, I don't think the mega-hatred came until '05/'06 after the whole Slash coming to the house incident and the suing over unpaid royalties deal.

I don't think it came that late, some of his rants in the '02 tour were pretty poisonous.

It's weird that he wanted Slash to play on 3 songs just a year before that?

I guess a lot can change in a year.

Can't totally recall, but didn't Axl want something in exchange for Slash playing on the album?

Could be wrong, but thought he wanted Slash to drop a lawsuit or give up some future rights on some kind...

[Rovim]

While I think Axl was bitter towards Slash then, I don't think the mega-hatred came until '05/'06 after the whole Slash coming to the house incident and the suing over unpaid royalties deal.

I don't think it came that late, some of his rants in the '02 tour were pretty poisonous.

It's weird that he wanted Slash to play on 3 songs just a year before that?

I guess a lot can change in a year.

Can't totally recall, but didn't Axl want something in exchange for Slash playing on the album?

Could be wrong, but thought he wanted Slash to drop a lawsuit or give up some future rights on some kind...

He wanted Slash to apologize. Probably a detailed and public apology. No other demands as far as I know.

Jmapelian: Why must it be Beta, Fernando, or 'the daughter'? You don't know how many people Axl trusts, so you have no way of knowing that it must have been this specific group of people.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Rovim

[ARBeast]

I thought the "guitar in hand" part was somewhat disputed, no?

I don't think he would have joined the new band as an employee, but I bet he fantasized that maybe he and the crazy one could work something out.

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3531

"Axl called me when he had the plan to play Rock In Rio. I don't believe that he hoped to reform the group as a whole because I am the only one that he called, but, in any event, I declined the offer." (Izzy, Guitar & Bass Magazine, 2001)

Could you imagine? Nothing against Paul Tobias, but I with Bucket,Robin, Tommy

The only witness to what Slash said was Beta. Now, how reliable do you suppose she is?

Exactly.

I think Slash was ready to work with Axl again. The Snakepit records didn't do as well as he hoped for. He knew that the music that he made with Axl was the best music he ever did because of the chemistry they had together, and then you have Perla pushing him to go in that direction. At that point Slash already knew that Axl had 3 songs that he wanted to do with Slash, so yes I think Slash was trying to get back in somehow at that time.

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