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Knockin' On Heaven's Door (Dylan Live) VS Knockin' On Heaven's Door G N' R Live @ Ritz


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Dylan K.O.H.D. Live VS G N' R K.O.H.D. Live at Ritz  

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People say that about Dylans All Along the Watchtower too, i've always found it enchanting. I mean fair play, Hendrix too it to fuckin' space and back but Dylans had like...a simplistic quality to it that is very endearing. That and i just love his voice. Whatever it was that Jimi heard in his head to make his version, he heard of off of that, as much as Dylan more or less claims it to be a Hendrix song now.

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Voted for the Ritz version.

I love GNR's live version of this song, especially at the freddie mercury tribute concert.

Never cared much for the GNR studio version. It's one of the few songs on the album I skip most of the time.

Bob Dylan also has some good live versions though.

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Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

I don't agree with that at all, i think his music is meant to be presented that way, half of the charm of it is that slap-shod feel it has, it's like Hank Williams at the Oprey, crispness is not the order of the day here.

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Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

I don't agree with that at all, i think his music is meant to be presented that way, half of the charm of it is that slap-shod feel it has, it's like Hank Williams at the Oprey, crispness is not the order of the day here.

The Rolling Thunder version was pretty good.

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Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

I don't agree with that at all, i think his music is meant to be presented that way, half of the charm of it is that slap-shod feel it has, it's like Hank Williams at the Oprey, crispness is not the order of the day here.

That may be, but it doesn't make for a very enjoyable concert experience, let me tell you.

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Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

I don't agree with that at all, i think his music is meant to be presented that way, half of the charm of it is that slap-shod feel it has, it's like Hank Williams at the Oprey, crispness is not the order of the day here.

That may be, but it doesn't make for a very enjoyable concert experience, let me tell you.

I hate to agree on this one but I do. The last time I saw Dylan it was all regrettable except Mark Knopfler. Dylan is beyond great all but live (lately) Many reviews were even 1 star on Ticketmaster. :shock:

I voted for him here (altho close) because it's his (rethinking it) and Tom Petty was outstanding!

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Very close actually! The GnR version from the Freddie Tribute is just plain stellar. But so is (for example) Dylan's Unplugged version. They're very different. I can't really choose.

First thing i thought of when i read the thread topic - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpB_AEZf6U

Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

Well you'd have to review someone over 50yrs of live playing, not just one or two nights, before you come to a fair conclusion on that i suppose. Some of Dylans's better live versions of so many of his songs are known to be gobsmackingly astounding.

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Guest Len B'stard

He's never been all that in terms of what i presume moreblack to be talking about which is like, a well put together performance from a purely musicians standpoint, it ain't clean or crisp and he always fucks with the arrangements...but see i love all that and I put more importance on the passion conveyed than like, whether it's a perfect replication of something off an album or whatever, i have no problem with my rock stars faltering or perhaps their voice sound a little different that day, as long as it has that passion in how its performed.

it's sort of what he's done his whole career, particularly with the arrangement aspects, so all these fans that ain't really on it go to the gig and go 'ohmigod, he's slaughtered a classic, blasphemy!' but he's just being Bob, fuckin' with people, always like...subverting expectations, it's what i love about him and the character and spirit of the man, whatever you think he is, thats what he's not, no matter who he narks off.

I remember reading that he was bought up to do a speech for the ECLC and he more or less got onstage and called them all a pack of wankers and old gits and sod your cause and i ain't gonna be appropriated by yous and what yous think i'm about', what a fuckin' champ :)

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Dylan is a performance artist, a re-re-re- interpreter of song, spontaneously placing a different poetic emphasis on them depending on how he's feeling it..... he never plays his songs as recorded by rote. That's why he pulls amazingly inspired live versions out of his arse. Do yourself a favour and read Paul Williams' books on dylan called 'Bob Dylan, Performance artist' Vols 1 and 2. But more so, by listening to known amazing live performances of his songs - eg. Ballad Of A Thin Man live on the '66 tour, or A Hard Rain's A ' Gonna Fall debuted live on some radio show way back then, the 'Soy Bomb' Love Sick live at the Grammys, there are countless examples.

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Thats a sentiment echoed far and wide in regards to Bobby Dylan actually.

Give him a break, the guy is losing his voice now but anyone who thinks Bob can't sing the shit out of his songs with the keenest sense of awareness and nuance and humour is plain ignorant.

edit- must put this in context; ie. your post was in response to -

Dylan is kind of garbage live. No contest there.

I don't agree with that at all, i think his music is meant to be presented that way, half of the charm of it is that slap-shod feel it has, it's like Hank Williams at the Oprey, crispness is not the order of the day here.

That may be, but it doesn't make for a very enjoyable concert experience, let me tell you.

and you didn't say you necessarily agreed, so i was posting in reaction to the idea you presented, that's all... i mean that guy has been entertaining people thoroughly live for over 50 years so i won't see him so easily trashed by some person who evidently hasn't got a clue.

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Dylan is a performance artist, a re-re-re- interpreter of song, spontaneously placing a different poetic emphasis on them depending on how he's feeling it..... he never plays his songs as recorded by rote.

Spot on fella, fuckin' spot on but see you've gotta like...be opened minded enough to put up with it because...these songs become like gospel to people and they can't tolerate them being messed with, which i think is ridiculous because he just takes em somewhere new every time and also kind of like, gives credence to the idea of music as this organic evolving thing, which i think is invaluable as a notion.

Thats a sentiment echoed far and wide in regards to Bobby Dylan actually.

Give him a break, the guy is losing his voice now but anyone who thinks Bob can't sing the shit out of his songs with the keenest sense of awareness and nuance and humour is plain ignorant.

Oh I am, i'm just saying it's something you hear a lot from people that go or have gone to Dylan gigs, personally i don't care how old a person is in that regard, it just lends a persons voice a different dimension and takes it somewhere else. I see Axl Rose get a lot of stick for this really but i think peoples voices just becomes better for other things over time.

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