Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It occurs to me that, almost all of the key bands out of England, the main players and sometimes the whole fuckin' band are Irish, why is this such an ignored aspect?The Beatles, John, Paul and George all come from PaddysThe Sex Pistols, John Lydon is a paddy, he had no English blood in himThe Smiths, Morrissey, Marr, Rourke etc, all paddysOasis, all PaddysThese are the key bands of England history in popular music/rock n roll....so much is made of their Englishness yet their Irishness is proper ignored. Despite their all making a point of their Irishness, whether it be Lennons Luck of the Irish, Lydon is openly in love with his Irishness, or Irish Blood English Heart by Moz...even Oasis, I remember they were asked to do the England song for Euro 96 and Noel was like 'over my dead body, we're fuckin' Irish, get Blur to do it, they're English'.It just occurs to me that, in an era where so much is made of roots and lineage, why do the paddys not get their dues on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Good man Len. That rebel spirit when it came to fighting the Brits easily translated to Rock N Roll haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) It just intrigues me how little is made of it...and it's not like it's irrelevant either I mean...the quality of the songs of those artists, they have an inherent irishness to them too, they're very sing-a-longey, aren't they, like a lot of traditional Irish song, the nature of what they are about too often communicates the broader themes of like, old Irish folk songs and that. Oasis, when i think about it, have Irish stamped all over them. Lydon too, The Beatles too, The Smiths perhaps in a different vein.And there's tons more too. The British invasion, if you look at it, by and large, should be called the fuckin' Irish invasion. Edited January 7, 2014 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It occurs to me that, almost all of the key bands out of England, the main players and sometimes the whole fuckin' band are Irish, why is this such an ignored aspect?The Beatles, John, Paul and George all come from PaddysThe Sex Pistols, John Lydon is a paddy, he had no English blood in himThe Smiths, Morrissey, Marr, Rourke etc, all paddysOasis, all PaddysThese are the key bands of England history in popular music/rock n roll....so much is made of their Englishness yet their Irishness is proper ignored. Despite their all making a point of their Irishness, whether it be Lennons Luck of the Irish, Lydon is openly in love with his Irishness, or Irish Blood English Heart by Moz...even Oasis, I remember they were asked to do the England song for Euro 96 and Noel was like 'over my dead body, we're fuckin' Irish, get Blur to do it, they're English'.It just occurs to me that, in an era where so much is made of roots and lineage, why do the paddys not get their dues on this?Does that list really contain almost all of the key bands out of England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It occurs to me that, almost all of the key bands out of England, the main players and sometimes the whole fuckin' band are Irish, why is this such an ignored aspect?The Beatles, John, Paul and George all come from PaddysThe Sex Pistols, John Lydon is a paddy, he had no English blood in himThe Smiths, Morrissey, Marr, Rourke etc, all paddysOasis, all PaddysThese are the key bands of England history in popular music/rock n roll....so much is made of their Englishness yet their Irishness is proper ignored. Despite their all making a point of their Irishness, whether it be Lennons Luck of the Irish, Lydon is openly in love with his Irishness, or Irish Blood English Heart by Moz...even Oasis, I remember they were asked to do the England song for Euro 96 and Noel was like 'over my dead body, we're fuckin' Irish, get Blur to do it, they're English'.It just occurs to me that, in an era where so much is made of roots and lineage, why do the paddys not get their dues on this?Does that list really contain almost all of the key bands out of England?No but it doesn't claim to, it just goes on to make a broader point. But there's something to that point, Beatles, primary key band of their era/movement, Sex Pistols of theirs, Smiths of theirs, Oasis of theirs...and like I said, there are more. I'm not talking about your big selling pop bollocks (although a lot of that too) I mean the key ones that were at the forefront of some kind of shift in the culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Perhaps they don't give a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 O'Shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Perhaps they don't give a damn.Who, the bands? But clearly they do, thats my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Rhetorical question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Was trying to prompt discussion on the topic, perhaps if any sees shades of that heritage in their work, whether their culture has relevance to the music, why this is something thats glossed over when so much importance is put cultural context when speaking about music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It occurs to me that, almost all of the key bands out of England, the main players and sometimes the whole fuckin' band are Irish, why is this such an ignored aspect?The Beatles, John, Paul and George all come from PaddysThe Sex Pistols, John Lydon is a paddy, he had no English blood in himThe Smiths, Morrissey, Marr, Rourke etc, all paddysOasis, all PaddysThese are the key bands of England history in popular music/rock n roll....so much is made of their Englishness yet their Irishness is proper ignored. Despite their all making a point of their Irishness, whether it be Lennons Luck of the Irish, Lydon is openly in love with his Irishness, or Irish Blood English Heart by Moz...even Oasis, I remember they were asked to do the England song for Euro 96 and Noel was like 'over my dead body, we're fuckin' Irish, get Blur to do it, they're English'.It just occurs to me that, in an era where so much is made of roots and lineage, why do the paddys not get their dues on this?Didn't know they were born in Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They weren't, their parents were....the ones mentioned anyway, they were born in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They weren't, their parents were....the ones mentioned anyway, they were born in England.Well they're not Irish then you fookin' plank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They weren't, their parents were....the ones mentioned anyway, they were born in England.Well they're not Irish then you fookin' plank! But i weren't saying they were Irish, i was saying their parents were ( i was just abbreviating it off the first couple and started saying 'all paddys'). But even with other people, born of England, their heritage is focused on and explored and it's relevance to what they do is dissecting...yet this doesn't happen with the Irish, it's even like...actively glossed over. If it's black lads then it's like black culture black culture black culture, even if they born in England, or like caribeans or like...whoever. But for some reason not with the Irish. And whats weird is their culture allegiance to their roots is REALLY strong, in all of the above cases, they make a clear point of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They couldn't gloss over either the Irish or the black, with Lizzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They couldn't gloss over either the Irish or the black, with Lizzy. It works on so many levels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They weren't, their parents were....the ones mentioned anyway, they were born in England.Well they're not Irish then you fookin' plank! An awful lot of people in Britain that consider themselves Irish are actually born in Britain to Irish parents. All those Irish Centres are full of people celebrating their Irish heritage but it comes from being raised that way in an Irish household by Irish parents....in Britain. There is also Elvis Costello, Len, born Declan Patrick McManus. Shane MacGowan was also born in Kent, to Irish parents. Then you have the Irish American musicians or yanks with Irish connections whatever way you want to put itTim BuckleyJeff BuckleyKurt CobainKirk HammettJames HetfieldJim MorrisonDave MustaineElvisTrent ReznorBruce SpringsteenWillie NelsonJohn FogertyDuff McKagan Iggy PopZakk WyldeChris CornellAlice CooperDon McLeanEddie MoneyFleaJackie GleasonJerry GarciaMyles Kennedy Johnny RamoneTori AmosThen you have the likes of Neil Young, shit there are loads more. Some of the connections are strong, others way back in their family tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The best example of an Irish rock n' roller not acknowledged (outside of Ireland):Rory Gallagher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It is merely to do with the fact that rock n' roll tended to (but not always) spring up in working class heaviliy urbanised areas which had been centres of multi-generational Irish migration. Places like Liverpool and Glasgow swelled in population and size after the Potato famine of the 1840s (the migration to the United States is often heavily publicised, in e.g. Gangs of NY, but what is often forgotten is the amount of immigration to Great Britain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and London have a huge Irish population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The best example of an Irish rock n' roller not acknowledged (outside of Ireland):Rory GallagherAlthough among guitarists, when someone mentions him, everybody that knows what's up, goes "yeah".I guess Gary Moore falls into that same bracket. Although he might be a little more well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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