magisme Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 If you told me in the early 90s that we'd be talking about how Axl doesn't give a fuck about his live performances, I would have laughed in your face. Sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I don't think he knows when there is rasp and there isn't. I'd like to think he can control it, but I believe him when he says he doesn't know. I doubt he goes back and listens to what he sounded like. I don't think his technique has changed much, but I don't think he controls the rasp anymore. I'm pretty sure he meant "Uh, I don't know. [because I don't want to] jackass...."I don't think he knows when there is rasp and there isn't. I'd like to think he can control it, but I believe him when he says he doesn't know. I doubt he goes back and listens to what he sounded like. I don't think his technique has changed much, but I don't think he controls the rasp anymore. I'm pretty sure he meant "Uh, I don't know. [because I don't want to] jackass...."I don't think his comment even was about the rasp. I think he was talking about the Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy he does at the end on the studio version of don't cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I don't think he knows when there is rasp and there isn't. I'd like to think he can control it, but I believe him when he says he doesn't know. I doubt he goes back and listens to what he sounded like. I don't think his technique has changed much, but I don't think he controls the rasp anymore. I'm pretty sure he meant "Uh, I don't know. [because I don't want to] jackass...."I don't think he knows when there is rasp and there isn't. I'd like to think he can control it, but I believe him when he says he doesn't know. I doubt he goes back and listens to what he sounded like. I don't think his technique has changed much, but I don't think he controls the rasp anymore. I'm pretty sure he meant "Uh, I don't know. [because I don't want to] jackass...."I don't think his comment even was about the rasp. I think he was talking about the Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy he does at the end on the studio version of don't cry.Did you watch the clip? He specifically mentioned someone asked him why he doesn't finish Don't Cry with his "excellent raspy voice". Edited January 11, 2014 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War2k14 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Of course Axl knows when Rasp is there and isn't. How many songs and demos has he recorded in the studio with play back. This is the guy that re-recorded vocals for a live album, of course he knows and used to care a lot. But yeah he's getting older, he's not in great shape and he is still touring. He re-recorded TIL with more rasp, he knows. He just shrugs it off because doing it for 3 hours hurts. You try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yea I'm saying he doesn't know when the rasp is coming out in recent concerts. He might feel it, but I don't think he goes into a song saying "I'm about to use rasp on this one." I think it's there for him sometimes and sometimes it isn't. This isn't saying he never had control of it, but it's saying over the past couple years it's been hit or miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 How much of an idiot do we think Axl is? He's a professional singer and he doesn't know what sound is coming out of his mouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Of The Blues Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 There's an interview somewhere or maybe it was in concert where he says "they don't like me, they like my fantastic raspy voice". Pulling our chain and anyone who has seen him in full form recently knows how much sweating is done in the process, . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 How much of an idiot do we think Axl is? He's a professional singer and he doesn't know what sound is coming out of his mouth?This is probably my fault so I apologize. I didn't mean Axl has no idea whether he is singing clean or raspy, I'm just saying he probably goes into each performance not knowing if the rasp there. I'm sure he feels it when he's singing, but I don't think he has the control he once had. In other words his voice isn't as strong as it has been before. So In my opinion he isn't sure if Paradise City will have rasp in it or not until he's actually singing. 2010 he was consistent enough to know he could put rasp on any part of any song. Right now I don't think he's quite there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think he's aware it sounds better but the raspy voice hurts and requires a lot more effort and stamina than his clean (I'd say even falsetto sounding) voice, which he feels more confortable using on tour.This is what I am leaning towards as well. Although in 2010 he seemed to keep it for the duration of the tour whereas since then we just get moments of rasp every now and then so I dunno what changed in his stamina from 2010 to 2011 onward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Revisiting this topic while listening to some of the videos from the past couple of shows and I must say that if Axl isn't aware of how much better he was in 2010 then I am worried. I don't know what he hears in his head right now but those 2014 videos sound pretty rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 That YCBM from the o2 was great, one of the last time's I watched a clip and went.... whoahah!!! I remember him nailing RQ as well! man, he used to sin that so well, now it's ok, but it just has no power. Man! I hope to god he gets his shit together, watching a video like that is depressing when you're met with the current day reality. I can't believe anyone defends him post 2010. I went to gigs in 2010 and 2012, 2010 blew it away! Vocally 2010 was his best year since 2006, as a show I enjoyed 2012 more... 2010 he stood still for the entire gig in a bad mood, otherwise that would have been the best time seeing them. True, when you are there and you're watching the show you don't really think about rasp and power you're too busy singing (plus his vocal is usually a little squashed in the mix by the guitars) along to notice but, how can a performer who has in ears and a designated monitor man and his own personal mix be happy with his voice when it's obviously drastically different and on top of that he struggles each night with sustained notes. People who give a crap sort that kin of thing out. I'm sick of this poor Axl bull, Axls not into it because the record company won't release his albums... yada, yada! boof**kinhoo! how many people get to make it to his level? very few! and for someone to take that opportunity and not seize it, shows how jaded he is by his situation. If Axl made an album that was marketable his record company would release it and give it a generous promotional backing - anyone who thinks otherwise can go and join the line to stick their heads up Mr. Roses ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Singing with rasp might hurt the way he usually does it... but! with a vocal coach he can learn how to sing with his trademark rasp while not hurting his voice. He has poor vocal technique/health because he doesn't take care of himself. Listen to hard rock and metal singers who scream there heads off for 20+ years yet they can still scream and sing powerful cleans, Corey taylor being a prime example! Listen to Hetfield his voice was weak for a while during the st. anger tour and for some of 2006 dates... now! he's killing it, what's it down to? he worked hard to get there, he takes it seriously, he realizes the importance of keeping a healthy voice for his own financial gain and for fan reaction. Axl is far, far too lazy and he will have no-one to blame but himself when he continually plays to less and less people, I'm sure it will be someone else's fault... maybe the forums made him feel worthless and beat down so he couldn't sing properly anymore, who know what excuse he'll concoct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 How does someone go from this: to this: ???The first video is from GNR's last 2010 show in Abu Dhabi on Dec. 16th and the second one is recorded only nine and a half months later on Oct. 2nd at Rock In Rio starting a familiar and depressing run of awful vocal performances by Axl.What could possibly have happened? Illness? Medication? Could Axl have plain stopped giving a fuck - but really can someone care so little? could it make that much of a difference? Could he have blown his voice after the 2009-10 tour and this is the only way he's able to sing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 stopped caring, got fatter, started using a less straining vocal style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haters Gonna Hate Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 You don't wanna know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 In 2009 he was going to rehearsals, soundchecks, he had something to prove. In 2011 he moped around for 10 months and assumed he could pick up where he left off. I assume that's what he does between each leg of touring post 2010, this latest tour proves it really. Literally got off the couch and onto the plane, thinking "Well, I didn't sound too bad in the shower this morning. That's a good enough rehearsal, I'm sure I'll hit my stride after like, Brownstone or something tonight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Isn't there 2 threads about this already?Anyway, this was the year when Azoff sued Axl and he wasn't allowed to tour in the US. I also suspect that whatever was being planned for 2010/11 release wise (re-release of CD possibly) it never worked out. Axl by early 2011 was already tied into a south american tour. So, he was pushed into a nostalgia act for whatever reason. Also, remember the 2011 shows were great, its just Rio which he bummed just happened to be pro shot and shown all over the world. Check out the show which followed, it's killer!!Why Axl hasn't done anything with this band is anyones guess. I think the reason that we don't know, is because it wouldn't be in our interest to know. I,e the band is a part time/retirement hobby. Which to an extent is fine by me as I love the shows as they are right now, but recently I'm wanting one or two more newer songs out there. Edited March 23, 2014 by Axl_morris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Same question we were asking in 2002.These are dark times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Same question we were asking in 2002. These are dark times. Except in 2002 he was below 40 and there was still hope that he'd turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR™ Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Same question we were asking in 2002.These are dark times.Except in 2002 he was below 40 and there was still hope that he'd turn it around.exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Same question we were asking in 2002.These are dark times.Except in 2002 he was below 40 and there was still hope that he'd turn it around.And in 2002 it had been a decade since he had been good; only 9 months passed between Abu Dhabi and Rio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Azoff. Record company. No hope for the future of the band and new recordings being released properly like they matter. Plus, Axl's publisher turned down his hot new erotic fiction novel, Fifty Shades of Wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER PT Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I've read somewhere that it has everything to do with the pain in his throat ... maybe .Lack of training ?Demotivation ?Health problems ? Medication ?Weight ?If we see THE old videos ... performances like Coma ( other) , Perfect Crime , and other things like that... you can see the treatment he gave to his vocal cords .More alcohol and less drugs/smoking, are also a contribution to the lack of fire.These are all speculations.Anyway , I think we have some difficulty in accepting it because we simply don't understand it. And it's not likely that someone in GN'R camp will explain us anything about this matter ... Sincerely, I think they have no obligation to explain anything .But we need to understand, so we can close this chapter in peace.I have something to propose: The users of this forum could come together to hire a specialist in vocal cords to analyze the behavior of Axl's voice over the past two decade, so we could understand better what really happened .I appeal to the administration to organize collection for this purpose . Edited March 24, 2014 by GUNNER PT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 In my expert opinion, he has a terminal case of Dontgiveafuckitis. Pay me, mygnr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I've read somewhere that it has everything to do with the pain in his throat ... maybe .Lack of training ?Demotivation ?Health problems ? Medication ?Weight ?If we see THE old videos ... performances like Coma ( other) , Perfect Crime , and other things like that... you can see the treatment he gave to his vocal cords .More alcohol and less drugs/smoking, are also a contribution to the lack of fire.These are all speculations.Anyway , I think we have some difficulty in accepting it because we simply don't understand it. And it's not likely that someone in GN'R camp will explain us anything about this matter ... Sincerely, I think they have no obligation to explain anything .But we need to understand, so we can close this chapter in peace.Yes! If Axl said that his vocal cords were damaged and this is the only way he's able to sing nowadays then I would understand and I would personally stop giving him any shit about this. If it's a medical issue, it's a medical issue and you can't fault him. But he's never gonna do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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