Drug testing high schoolers

[arnold layne]

Some piece of shit, douchenozzle, fuckhead of a superintendent quoted how their new implementation of drug testing high schoolers in their district is "a good idea."

I've given up hope in humanity.

Why is it that everyone in this fucking country thinks they are entitled to rub their noses in everyone else's lives? Fuck it. The reason we have a "drug problem" in this country is because we have to deal with Captain Buzzkill like this guy here. We don't even have a problem. The problem as I see it, are people who use "religion" and "children" to further promote their bullshit "no fun" agenda. What the hell is their problem?

These are high school kids. They aren't criminals. Fucking hell. They should only be required to pass their classes ... not "drug tests", law or not.

[luciusfunk]

My high school has been doing drug tests for years, but it's only (as of my graduation) for athletes and athletic managers.

[AxlisOld]

Mandatory drug testing is one of the worst invasions of privacy ever, and shouldn't even be considered for anyone.

[bran]

very fucking stupid.

[Spuffy78]

Well then. I'm really glad I graduated.

[AxlisOld]

Not to mention if you're in school you're living in constant fear of getting shot nowadays. Let em smoke a joint or pop a Xanex to keep their sanity.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I am not in high school anymore, so I don't care.

[wasted]

Just booze like a maniac until they ban that too. Or move to mexico, i mean california.

[Forsaken]

I remember during my senior year in high school the school started implementing random drug tests for everyone. We lost like 6 people on my basketball squad and can't remember how many in football due to disciplinary actions. So fucking stupid and it almost ruined that year. Everyone that tested positive lost their parking spot at school too. Was dreadful.

[wfuckinga]

Fuck am I glad I have 5 months left

[sweetness]

I support drug testing for people who receive government assistance, other than that I totally agree. I especially can't stand employers who drug test.

[SunnyDRE]

I support drug testing for people who receive government assistance, other than that I totally agree. I especially can't stand employers who drug test.

Do you mind me asking why?

Have you actually looked at the results in Florida?

Also, what drugs would you test for?

And really the people are poor already, do you really want to deny them help? What happens when they get poorer? They have to eat.

Gun to your head for your wallet maybe?

Edited January 18, 2014 by SunnyDRE

[Apollo]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are parents?

Before Nate or any of you go on a hate filled rant about my question.....chill out. I'm not being sarcastic or thinking I'm on my high horse or any of that stupid crap.

I think the answer to topic or the way that people view this topic really changes depending on how old you are or what stage in life you are at.

When I was 20 I thought it was stupid that I couldn't legally drink and couldn't understand why pot was so heavily regulated.

Now at 40, with a teenager and two younger children, I totally understand why the laws are the way they are.

If your 15 year old daughter gets suspended from school for a couple days because she showed up to class drunk and high on ecstasy and they find a bag of mushrooms, three hits of acid and a little bit of heroin in her locker, are you going to coddle her and tell her it's not her fault and then go raise hell and yell at the school administrators for unfairly picking on your daughter?

Nate, you do realize that teenagers brains are still developing, right? And that there is a difference between a 35 year old deciding to do drugs and a 13 year old, right? Surely you understand that. Not even talking about being mature/intelligent enough to decide to do drugs or not, and how a developing brain is effected by doing drugs.....look at something like obtaining a driver's license. Why do you think a 13 year old can't walk into the DMV and get a driver's license? A 13-year-old can't drive a car, but we should let them do all the drinking and drugs they want?

[Forsaken]

If your 15 year old daughter gets suspended from school for a couple days because she showed up to class drunk and high on ecstasy and they find a bag of mushrooms, three hits of acid and a little bit of heroin in her locker, are you going to coddle her and tell her it's not her fault and then go raise hell and yell at the school administrators for unfairly picking on your daughter?

To be fair Apollo, those are completely different circumstances than say marijuana. All of those you've mentioned are instant felonies and are hard drugs (depending on how you stand with mushrooms). If a 15 year old shows up to school under the influence of that many substances, i'd first question how she would still be able to function at that point in time. Don't know too many 14-15 year olds banging heroin before their high school classes while popping x and tripping on psychedelics.

But it's inevitable, weed is in high school and it's all over the place. The majority of us experienced it growing up. and some didn't. The people that didn't overreact quite like this.

[Patience 4 Axl]

I was reading an article in my local newspaper recently that apparently heroin has become a huge problem in my area. Kids as young as 11 have been caught with it.

I'm not sure what to think really. Times have changed. My high school years were spent partying every weekend. But we still held our own during the week, got thru classes, passed our tests, did homework, and worked hard until the weekend came again. No one I know ended up in rehab, no one I know had their lives ruined because of it. But it just seems different now, like the kids have no filter and no self control. Everything is done in excess, there's a need for immediate gratification and a sense of entitlement to go with it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with schools doing drug testing however, and I'm sure there are parents who would disagree and think it's a great idea. But that's the main issue right there. Parents should be aware of what's going on with their kids, and it's their responsibility to monitor their children, not leave it up to others.

Are these tests done with a parent's written consent? If a school suspects a problem with one of their students, by all means contact the parents immediately and discuss it, but I'd have a problem with them randomly pulling a minor aside and handing them a cup.

[bran]

I was reading an article in my local newspaper recently that apparently heroin has become a huge problem in my area. Kids as young as 11 have been caught with it.

I'm not sure what to think really. Times have changed. My high school years were spent partying every weekend. But we still held our own during the week, got thru classes, passed our tests, did homework, and worked hard until the weekend came again. No one I know ended up in rehab, no one I know had their lives ruined because of it. But it just seems different now, like the kids have no filter and no self control. Everything is done in excess, there's a need for immediate gratification and a sense of entitlement to go with it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with schools doing drug testing however, and I'm sure there are parents who would disagree and think it's a great idea. But that's the main issue right there. Parents should be aware of what's going on with their kids, and it's their responsibility to monitor their children, not leave it up to others.

Are these tests done with a parent's written consent? If a school suspects a problem with one of their students, by all means contact the parents immediately and discuss it, but I'd have a problem with them randomly pulling a minor aside and handing them a cup.

heroin came along after the prescription pill craze hit. kids would get a hold of all these prescription opiates like oxycontin, methodone, morphine and on and on. problem is these are highly physically addicting. the price of these pills went through the roof and kids were desperate and turned to heroin which is cheaper than the pills. this happened in my area just as i was entering high school.

i did these things but only so often so i never got the crazy addiction to them that a lot of my friends and classmates did.a lot of my friends i knew since i was 6 or 7 are just crazy junkies right now. I moved to florida after my freshman year of high school and within a couple of months someone OD'd in one of the classrooms.

[Forsaken]

I was reading an article in my local newspaper recently that apparently heroin has become a huge problem in my area. Kids as young as 11 have been caught with it.

I'm not sure what to think really. Times have changed. My high school years were spent partying every weekend. But we still held our own during the week, got thru classes, passed our tests, did homework, and worked hard until the weekend came again. No one I know ended up in rehab, no one I know had their lives ruined because of it. But it just seems different now, like the kids have no filter and no self control. Everything is done in excess, there's a need for immediate gratification and a sense of entitlement to go with it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with schools doing drug testing however, and I'm sure there are parents who would disagree and think it's a great idea. But that's the main issue right there. Parents should be aware of what's going on with their kids, and it's their responsibility to monitor their children, not leave it up to others.

Are these tests done with a parent's written consent? If a school suspects a problem with one of their students, by all means contact the parents immediately and discuss it, but I'd have a problem with them randomly pulling a minor aside and handing them a cup.

heroin came along after the prescription pill craze hit. kids would get a hold of all these prescription opiates like oxycontin, methodone, morphine and on and on. problem is these are highly physically addicting. the price of these pills went through the roof and kids were desperate and turned to heroin which is cheaper than the pills. this happened in my area just as i was entering high school.

Really? Wow, just the opposite around here. People love just popping oxycontins and pain pills... even Xanax a lot. can't say that i've known many people that did heroin but i've known a few.

[shades]

mixed feelings on this one,

I suppose in one way it could be a good thing if kids knew up front, across the board that everyone was tested.

But what do you do if they fail it, boot them from school? pay for help?

The problem I have mainly is not the privacy / intrusion part it's the actual process, it's gross and improper to think about it being done at

school by the nurse or someone in charge.

Maybe a better idea would be have it done by the family physician and to have a form filled out to verify.

On the other hand it IS 100% intrusive to those kids that are not using drugs, and they are being impositioned by those that do.

I guess I would have to vote no if you asked me now.

The parent has the right to purchase a drug test and do it themselves I guess if they feel the need, and let them deal with the trust issue

it causes, and the after treatment if they see fit, in a private way.

[bran]

I was reading an article in my local newspaper recently that apparently heroin has become a huge problem in my area. Kids as young as 11 have been caught with it.

I'm not sure what to think really. Times have changed. My high school years were spent partying every weekend. But we still held our own during the week, got thru classes, passed our tests, did homework, and worked hard until the weekend came again. No one I know ended up in rehab, no one I know had their lives ruined because of it. But it just seems different now, like the kids have no filter and no self control. Everything is done in excess, there's a need for immediate gratification and a sense of entitlement to go with it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with schools doing drug testing however, and I'm sure there are parents who would disagree and think it's a great idea. But that's the main issue right there. Parents should be aware of what's going on with their kids, and it's their responsibility to monitor their children, not leave it up to others.

Are these tests done with a parent's written consent? If a school suspects a problem with one of their students, by all means contact the parents immediately and discuss it, but I'd have a problem with them randomly pulling a minor aside and handing them a cup.

heroin came along after the prescription pill craze hit. kids would get a hold of all these prescription opiates like oxycontin, methodone, morphine and on and on. problem is these are highly physically addicting. the price of these pills went through the roof and kids were desperate and turned to heroin which is cheaper than the pills. this happened in my area just as i was entering high school.

Really? Wow, just the opposite around here. People love just popping oxycontins and pain pills... even Xanax a lot. can't say that i've known many people that did heroin but i've known a few.

oh they would rather have the pain pills, but the pills go for a dollar a MG. so one pill can go for 20-30 dollars. the big pill up here is suboxone which is used to give to people addicted to heroin. these pills are expensive 35 dollars+ for a pill but they are very potent. so you are seeing heroin start to fade. moving back to NH 3 years ago after being gone for 8 or 9 years you can see the heroin problem is not as big as it used to be, because the introduction of suboxone which is the new heroin.

basically if you go to a doctor and tell the doctor you are addicted to heroin they will put you in touch with a doctor who will prescribe you suboxone. suboxone has different forms. one form you cannot take other opiates with them, these suboxones have an opiate blocker that when used with opiates will instantly make you dope sick. others do not have this and you can still do other opiates/heroin with them and cost quite a bit of money. this is what a lot of the younger people are doing up here now.

Edited January 18, 2014 by bran

[AxlisOld]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are parents?

Before Nate or any of you go on a hate filled rant about my question.....chill out. I'm not being sarcastic or thinking I'm on my high horse or any of that stupid crap.

I think the answer to topic or the way that people view this topic really changes depending on how old you are or what stage in life you are at.

When I was 20 I thought it was stupid that I couldn't legally drink and couldn't understand why pot was so heavily regulated.

Now at 40, with a teenager and two younger children, I totally understand why the laws are the way they are.

If your 15 year old daughter gets suspended from school for a couple days because she showed up to class drunk and high on ecstasy and they find a bag of mushrooms, three hits of acid and a little bit of heroin in her locker, are you going to coddle her and tell her it's not her fault and then go raise hell and yell at the school administrators for unfairly picking on your daughter?

Nate, you do realize that teenagers brains are still developing, right? And that there is a difference between a 35 year old deciding to do drugs and a 13 year old, right? Surely you understand that. Not even talking about being mature/intelligent enough to decide to do drugs or not, and how a developing brain is effected by doing drugs.....look at something like obtaining a driver's license. Why do you think a 13 year old can't walk into the DMV and get a driver's license? A 13-year-old can't drive a car, but we should let them do all the drinking and drugs they want?

If that were the scenario than God forbid the parents take responsibility for their child and implement their own drug test. Schools are not parents or babysitters, they are educators. I'm so sick and tired of people expecting someone else to raise their kid for them.

[sweetness]

I support drug testing for people who receive government assistance, other than that I totally agree. I especially can't stand employers who drug test.

Do you mind me asking why?

Have you actually looked at the results in Florida?

Also, what drugs would you test for?

And really the people are poor already, do you really want to deny them help? What happens when they get poorer? They have to eat.

Gun to your head for your wallet maybe?

As much as I have nothing against moderate recreational drug use, if you need help, and you're actually making an effort to get on your feet, I don't think it's so much to ask to refrain from using drugs. I know it's something that people love to downplay for some reason, but fact is there are people who abuse welfare to the point where it actually enables their addiction, and that is fucked up.

I payed one of my neighbors to mow my lawn last summer, and it was kind of odd how open he was about how he apparently owns a house, has 6 kids, doesn't have a job, but he sold and used pot regularly, mowed lawns for extra money, and he was recieving housing assistance as well as unemployment. I don't really believe this was an isolated case. He tried to sell me pot and ecstacy, which I'm not really into, who knows what else this guy was using. If he wasn't collecting welfare I wouldn't have given a shit, but it's an insult to people who do everything they're supposed to do, work hard for an honest living, and play by the rules.

Far as I'm concerned, if you can't take care of yourself and you need that kind of help from the government (aka taxpayers) to get by, you don't get to enjoy the same kind of privacy people who can support themselves do. People who actually have any ambition to get on their feet and support themselves don't have time to get high anyway, so take a drug test and prove you honestly need help, is that such a big deal?

[SunnyDRE]

C'mon Sweetness, you are buying into that Tea Party BS. Over my years here, you are poster I most agree with.

Dude, this WAR ON THE POOR makes no sense. When you get your tax booklet this year read the back of it. At the end THEY (the government) tell you what they are spending money on - Welfare is less than 10% of the budget. I live right outside of a military base that the government has said many times IT DOESN'T NEED. The only reason the base is open is because of politicians around my area. The point I'm trying to make, and I'm probably doing a poor job, is that we need to get off the poor people in this country. The truth of the matter is we do very little to help them already. I think most people like you are getting pissed about food stamps, but hell you don't have to be poor to get those - every college student can get them - but back to what I was saying......look at the results in Florida. people seem to think that it is only the poor who do drugs - there was a great thread on here the other day about racism. this post would fit right in - drugs dealers are not making their money and driving cadiallac by selling to poor people.

[sweetness]

C'mon Sweetness, you are buying into that Tea Party BS. Over my years here, you are poster I most agree with.

Dude, this WAR ON THE POOR makes no sense. When you get your tax booklet this year read the back of it. At the end THEY (the government) tell you what they are spending money on - Welfare is less than 10% of the budget. I live right outside of a military base that the government has said many times IT DOESN'T NEED. The only reason the base is open is because of politicians around my area. The point I'm trying to make, and I'm probably doing a poor job, is that we need to get off the poor people in this country. The truth of the matter is we do very little to help them already. I think most people like you are getting pissed about food stamps, but hell you don't have to be poor to get those - every college student can get them - but back to what I was saying......look at the results in Florida. people seem to think that it is only the poor who do drugs - there was a great thread on here the other day about racism. this post would fit right in - drugs dealers are not making their money and driving cadiallac by selling to poor people.

I know it probably sounds like that, but I can't stand the tea party and I in no way support this "war on the poor". I'm not exactly a financially stable person, I live paycheck to paycheck, I have awful credit, and in the winter I don't get as much hours at my job so I pay for my bills, rent, and food out of my savings I made in the summer. I'm doing better than a lot of people but it's nothing to get too excited about. I definitely don't mean to come off as some white collar neo-con talking down to poor people.

My opinion is more out of personal principle. Maybe I shouldn't hold everybody to the same standard that I hold myself, but I have a strong belief in self-sufficiency and have a very hard time asking for help even in really small situations, though for the most part I'm happy to help somebody if they need it. For students, people who are transitioning between jobs, the disabled and mentally ill, I fully support the idea of social programs. For people who recklessly have unprotected sex and churn out more kids than they can be responsible for, and people who abuse drugs, I don't think governemnt assistance is the answer. I don't know what the statistics are, and I don't really care how small they are, I just know it happens because I've experienced it first hand and I've only been living on my own for 4 years, and it just doesn't really sit well with me.

I'm not saying I think this is the blight of our society or anything, I just don't think it's such a horrible thing to expect people who need help through social programs to not use drugs. If I was in that position I know I wouldn't be spening money on an 8th of pot, because if things were that bad I shouldn't be spending money on drugs at all, if it takes a drug test to encourage people not to spend money on shit they don't need when they are in need, then so be it. Is there really anything fundamentally wrong with that?

[arnold layne]

Dealing with people has been a bigger detriment to my health than pot will ever be.