magisme Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't see how they could possibly release this with him sounding like he actually sounded.No way in hell.We all have the 11.09.12 concert a mere 12 days prior, and its horrendous in spots. I would never ever release that as is.Axl voice for the dvd? worst voice since 2001-2002 but if they choose one song here one song there, check the videos,there are a few decent performance,not you could be mineThese videos aren't from the show being released....I have heard this floated before.Are you suggesting that Axl sounds like dogshit at the shows all around this one, but for this one, somehow, he found the fountain of youth and sounds awesome?The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube?You've been to a decent number of shows, right? Let's just all admit it. When you're at the show, you can barely hear Axl most of the time. You don't know what the fuck he's really sounding like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't see how they could possibly release this with him sounding like he actually sounded.No way in hell.We all have the 11.09.12 concert a mere 12 days prior, and its horrendous in spots. I would never ever release that as is.Axl voice for the dvd? worst voice since 2001-2002 but if they choose one song here one song there, check the videos,there are a few decent performance,not you could be mineThese videos aren't from the show being released....I have heard this floated before.Are you suggesting that Axl sounds like dogshit at the shows all around this one, but for this one, somehow, he found the fountain of youth and sounds awesome?The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube?You've been to a decent number of shows, right? Let's just all admit it. When you're at the show, you can barely hear Axl most of the time. You don't know what the fuck he's really sounding like.At times yes (that goes with any concert). Interesting enough, the reviews from 2010 were all fairly negative but you YT clips show otherwise. I wonder if when Axl sounds good live it translate into a shitty recording and when he sounds bad live it translates into an amazing YT recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumbleine Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 i'm also in favor of overdubs for Axls vocals even if it is wrongand not rock n roll.but i want to enjoy this thing without being irritated about how bad Axl 2012 sounds.it's fake,yeah,but down the line,if this is the last GNR we will see in our lifetimeit's ok that it sounds good.live like a suicide isn't live either like most know.peter frampton comes alive(very famous live album in the US)isn't even the real thing.i just hope this comes out and that i can buy it in a store or order it on amazon without hassles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't see how they could possibly release this with him sounding like he actually sounded.No way in hell.We all have the 11.09.12 concert a mere 12 days prior, and its horrendous in spots. I would never ever release that as is.Axl voice for the dvd? worst voice since 2001-2002 but if they choose one song here one song there, check the videos,there are a few decent performance,not you could be mineThese videos aren't from the show being released....I have heard this floated before.Are you suggesting that Axl sounds like dogshit at the shows all around this one, but for this one, somehow, he found the fountain of youth and sounds awesome?Those videos are from the 12/30/11 gig - 11 months before the residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 No way in hell.We all have the 11.09.12 concert a mere 12 days prior, and its horrendous in spots. I would never ever release that as is.I have heard this floated before.Are you suggesting that Axl sounds like dogshit at the shows all around this one, but for this one, somehow, he found the fountain of youth and sounds awesome?You've been to a decent number of shows, right? Let's just all admit it. When you're at the show, you can barely hear Axl most of the time. You don't know what the fuck he's really sounding like.Look, I don't want to get into another circular debate around Axl's voice.I have no idea what he sounded like at the show they're releasing. All I can say is that he really was in great form the last two nights of the residency when I was there. And magisme, I went to 3 shows in Australia a few months later, and I thought he'd sounded better in Vegas, for the most part. I could easily tell the difference.Ultimately I'm only speculating like you guys - but I don't think they're going to re-record the vocals, and I do think that there's a good chance his unedited vocals won't sound too bad either. We'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broskirose Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'd like re-recorded vocals for two reasons1. I really don't buy into the whole "overdubs aren't rock n' roll" shit and consider the Live Era re-recorded vocals the best thing about that release2. It means Axl was in a recording studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'd like re-recorded vocals for two reasons1. I really don't buy into the whole "overdubs aren't rock n' roll" shit and consider the Live Era re-recorded vocals the best thing about that release2. It means Axl was in a recording studioPoint 2 was my first thought also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't see how they could possibly release this with him sounding like he actually sounded.No way in hell.We all have the 11.09.12 concert a mere 12 days prior, and its horrendous in spots. I would never ever release that as is.Axl voice for the dvd? worst voice since 2001-2002 but if they choose one song here one song there, check the videos,there are a few decent performance,not you could be mineThese videos aren't from the show being released....I have heard this floated before.Are you suggesting that Axl sounds like dogshit at the shows all around this one, but for this one, somehow, he found the fountain of youth and sounds awesome?The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube?You've been to a decent number of shows, right? Let's just all admit it. When you're at the show, you can barely hear Axl most of the time. You don't know what the fuck he's really sounding like.At times yes (that goes with any concert). Interesting enough, the reviews from 2010 were all fairly negative but you YT clips show otherwise. I wonder if when Axl sounds good live it translate into a shitty recording and when he sounds bad live it translates into an amazing YT recording.No. Like I said, you can't hear him for the most part, so when he sounded good live, he sounded good recorded, and vice versa. My interpretation of the different reviews? 2010 got bad reviews because they were comparing it to 2006, and the thought was that, maybe, this was still a legit band. Then Axl rolls out all fat, and Ashba is doing Hogan ears instead of Finck being awesome, and they're actually reducing the number of new songs they're playing, and it all seems a bit of a joke. By the time of the residency, pretty much everyone had accepted that Axl was riding the nostalgia train, and he was reviewed as such.All that said, based on the trailer, with the exception of that LALD scream and some of PC, he sounds alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think a bootleg of this gig is on Youtube and he sounded utterly awful. A professional mix is not going to make him sound good all of the sudden.In my opinion, nobody should buy this so maybe they can get the message but I understand some of you want something even if it's bad, so whatever makes you happy.Regarding overdubbing. If people could tell that Axl's voice was overdubbed in Live Era, they definitely will in this live footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube? I'm basing my opinion on a soundboard bootleg. Ain't no secrets there. Give me the soundboard bootleg over "well, he sounded good when I was in the crowd full of screaming people" every day of the week. Those videos are from the 12/30/11 gig - 11 months before the residency. The concert I am talking about is from 12 days before this show, 11.09.2012. Call up 'There Was A Time' from that concert and make me a serious argument he sounds good. Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If Axl overdubs Live Era but not the Vegas DVD, it's a clear sign he's a clueless nutjob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If Axl overdubs Live Era but not the Vegas DVD, it's a clear sign he's a clueless nutjob. I rather agree. 'Live Era' didn't even need it. This clearly does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Come to think of it, I hope he overdubs it. It would be Axl himself sending us a direct message: "Yes guys, I know I sound awful". Edited February 25, 2014 by Nosaj Thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Come to think of it, I hope he overdubs it. It would be Axl himself sending us a direct message: "Yes guys, I know I sound awful". Yeah, that's not a bad point, really. Look, I'll be honest. If he comes out next month in the same poor voice I heard in 2012, I am highly unlikely to buy another ticket to see him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The soundboard on that radio channel was good. And that was only a few days before. Apart from There was a time but it was a good effort - he knows its challanging but he put it out there for all the nostalgic fans who love the song. Also they never played Twat on this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudolf1978 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) i dont think he will sound much better if he redub in studio,he better put some 2010 live vocals.Btw,the trailer ......sweet child o mine sounds like shit,i think when we get the dvd we will see what we have seen the last 3 years. Edited February 25, 2014 by rudolf1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Sweet child sounded shit in 2010 and in 2006.And it even sounded shite with rasp on UYI tour. It only ever sounded good on the appetite tours. Edited February 25, 2014 by Axl_morris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudolf1978 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Sweet child sounded shit in 2010 and in 2006.And it even sounded shite with rasp on UYI tour.It only ever sounded good on the appetite tours.Came on............is there anyone who think Axl sound great in vegas residence? I havent check videos for a while,but at the time i saw the same shit like the last 2 years.Singing really weak and with that strange falsetto.If he is going to sing songs like civil war like this,please make more albums with your new voice and forget the classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 That sweet child clip is not from this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblecool Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I believe the movie is from the 21/11 show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube?I'm basing my opinion on a soundboard bootleg. Ain't no secrets there.Give me the soundboard bootleg over "well, he sounded good when I was in the crowd full of screaming people" every day of the week.Those videos are from the 12/30/11 gig - 11 months before the residency.The concert I am talking about is from 12 days before this show, 11.09.2012.Call up 'There Was A Time' from that concert and make me a serious argument he sounds good. Come on now.My post was in reference to the half of your post quoting the videos. I agree he sounded awful on the XM broadcast. But still, Axl has the ability to turn it on" and "turn it off" at will more than most other singers. Look at the UCAP tour - he sounded killer at The Ritza and Hiro Ballroom; 3 days before The Ritz he sounded awful at Terminal 5, and 3 days after Hiro he sounded awful in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The Residency got amazing reviews by those who attended. Did you attend and think he sounded like shit or are you basing your opinion from YouTube?I'm basing my opinion on a soundboard bootleg. Ain't no secrets there.Give me the soundboard bootleg over "well, he sounded good when I was in the crowd full of screaming people" every day of the week.Those videos are from the 12/30/11 gig - 11 months before the residency.The concert I am talking about is from 12 days before this show, 11.09.2012.Call up 'There Was A Time' from that concert and make me a serious argument he sounds good. Come on now.I had no issues hearing Axl at the Residency. I could hear even subtleties like when his breath support was better during the bulk of "Better" the first night I was there, but then became poorer during the last verse. I could hear the point during "Don't Cry" when he sings "and please remember" when he clearly (IMO) intentionally induces a raspier vocal tone.So, I think the dismissiveness towards the opinions of those in attendance at the shows is flawed, at least when you apply it in a blanket sense.Ali 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 At least its coming out. That alone is huge for GNR. Easy, don't start celebrating just yet. On topic, I'm not really a fan of rerecorded parts on a "Live"-DVD/CD.I also prefer "pure" performances. But the huge majority of live releases are studio doctored, to various degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It baffles me that some of you would prefer a potato recording with a shit Axl on it because it's "not rock n' roll" to fix something up to sound good for an official release. Not surprising, just baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It baffles me that some of you would prefer a potato recording with a shit Axl on it because it's "not rock n' roll" to fix something up to sound good for an official release. Not surprising, just baffling.After RCHP tweet and calling the latest residency 'no trickery' it would seem a bit hypocritical if they dubbed his voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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