Kanye West demands wheelchair bound fan to stand up at gig

[Facekicker]

I honestly think he may have some sort of social disorder. Producing wise, he's great, but socially? He's awkward as fuck and he can't interview well at all and is always all over the place in social situations.

[Forsaken]

^^^ Exactly.

[MB.]

Pretty obvious he has that. What about this :

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

[GivenToFly]

I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion. Musicians always do this kind of thing on stage, I want everybody to raise their hands, I want everybody to sing, I want everybody to shout, hug their girlfriend/boyfriend, jump, do waves etc. Yeah he takes it further, cuz that's his trademark but I think people try to hard to find reasons to hate on this guy. He probably told the audience to stand up, told them that he's not singing until everybody is up, the crowd probably cheered because this is the kind of thing that happens at concerts, 'wait there's one guy there that isn't standing', crowd booed in that joking way that people do sometimes when you're not being fun, security guy signalled that guy was in a wheelchair and the show went on and all took something like 15 seconds. Does anybody have a recording to prove me right?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him because I'm a fan, I'm not, I'm barely familiar with his music or with the entire genre of rap, but I just think that especially on this forum we should probably be less quick to judge. Whenever Axl gets brought up on the internet outside his own fans' forums (and often within them too) you see the exact kind of replies that you see in this thread.* We know that while some of it is true and deserved, some of it is exaggerated, some is misunderstood or misinformed, and some is false. Why not give Kanye West the same kind of innocent until proven guilty treatment?

* Case in point two days ago on the Reddit front page

Edited September 19, 2014 by GivenToFly

[Zeppelin]

Let's cut the bull. He acts like a jackass, and gets pounced on for acting like a jackass. But he still gets positive reactions to what he actually does well. This is why I have a problem with Kanye. He doesn't need the planet-sized ego. He has a gift for his craft, his albums get mass critical acclaim, yet he acts like such a moron on a regular basis. Forget the wheelchair thing, as it sounds like a bit of a mistake. But there have been countless other times where he's acted like a total arse. The problem is with people lapping it up like this is some intelligent way to deliver his persona. His music speaks for itself, and that's the way it should be.

The problem with a lot of artists and their annoying "personas" is that when you strip away the tedious and fake personality disorders, and ridiculous labels like "most dangerous band ever" you're still left with artists with a lot of talent. But stick with the music.

I'll say it again. Kanye is a target because he makes himself a target. It's not some big media conspiracy against the fact that he's a huge black artist or anything stupid like that. When you act the way Kanye does, it'll always follow you around. He better hope he keeps delivering great material (minus Yeezus), or else it's going to be one embarrassing bellydrop.

[LTD]

I reckon the blokes a massive twat but you gotta give him a pass here, if he didn't know and couldn't see then it's only a mistake eh? Sorta like walking into a road sign.

If you say retarded things and keep acting like a gigantic cunt, accident of people figuring out you are a retarded, gigantic cunt might indeed take place.

Edited October 8, 2014 by LTD

[ManetsBR]

I love how people here think Kanye fans care about the head/sign video like Axl fans care about the Rio video. We find that shit funny too.

What a fucking cock. Maybe he should focus on putting a show that compels his audience to stand in admiration rather than demanding it like a petulant little cunt.

Kanye's live performances are highly regarded, especially among his peers in the genre.

I've seen Kanye West live from very close to the stage. I didn't know 95% of his songs, but man, that shit was absolutely impressive.

[Estranged Reality]

I reckon the blokes a massive twat but you gotta give him a pass here, if he didn't know and couldn't see then it's only a mistake eh? Sorta like walking into a road sign.

If you say retarded things and keep acting like a gigantic cunt, accident of people figuring out you are a retarded, gigantic cunt might indeed take place.

i just find it ironic to see these kinds of comments on a message board for guns n' roses.

axl rose was one of the all-time great frontmen, and ego and showmanship went part and parcel with that. kanye is no different. he was trying to make the moment dramatic, he was trying to get the crowd going, he called out a couple fans because he thought it would add to the experience -- he didn't realize they were handicapped. big deal. the world keeps spinning, and he keeps making good music and continues to be a charismatic performer, just like axl was when he wasn't jumping on dudes for taking pictures of him.

[Russel Nash]

I reckon the blokes a massive twat but you gotta give him a pass here, if he didn't know and couldn't see then it's only a mistake eh? Sorta like walking into a road sign.

If you say retarded things and keep acting like a gigantic cunt, accident of people figuring out you are a retarded, gigantic cunt might indeed take place.

i just find it ironic to see these kinds of comments on a message board for guns n' roses.

axl rose was one of the all-time great frontmen, and ego and showmanship went part and parcel with that. kanye is no different. he was trying to make the moment dramatic, he was trying to get the crowd going, he called out a couple fans because he thought it would add to the experience -- he didn't realize they were handicapped. big deal. the world keeps spinning, and he keeps making good music and continues to be a charismatic performer, just like axl was when he wasn't jumping on dudes for taking pictures of him.

yeah, just like Axl. but without the singing, the unique voice, the talent, the performer, the iconic moves, etc.

For those who lived in the 80's don't need to see a futuristic version of Mister T raping about his mother n shit.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Russel Nash

[Estranged Reality]

kanye has a unique voice in hip-hop, and has repeatedly been very influential as a producer.

[magisme]

In my mind, Axl > Kanye. In reality, Axl has never been and will never be nearly as creative and influential as Kanye. There's really no argument otherwise.

[Len Cnut]

I'd have Axl over Kanye any fuckin day of the week. Monday to Sunday and all in between.

[Russel Nash]

In my mind, Axl > Kanye. In reality, Axl has never been and will never be nearly as creative and influential as Kanye. There's really no argument otherwise.

Thank god that's only on your mind.

[Len Cnut]

Axl might be a fat bald ginger but at least i can listen to his music without vomiting blood and wanting to jump out of a skyscraper, having slit my wrists, drunk a pint Laudanum and scratched my testicles to ribbons.

[magisme]

In my mind, Axl > Kanye. In reality, Axl has never been and will never be nearly as creative and influential as Kanye. There's really no argument otherwise.

Thank god that's only on your mind.

You don't read well, do you?

[Russel Nash]

In my mind, Axl > Kanye. In reality, Axl has never been and will never be nearly as creative and influential as Kanye. There's really no argument otherwise.

Thank god that's only on your mind.

You don't read well, do you?

Oh, ok, when you say in reality you are speaking for every soul in the universe, my bad. I love you Kanye, i love your art. Goldigger's Broke-Broke is bigger than the Beatles, therefore bigger than Yezus.

Axl might be a fat bald ginger but at least i can listen to his music without vomiting blood and wanting to jump out of a skyscraper, having slit my wrists, drunk a pint Laudanum and scratched my testicles to ribbons.

Suicidal sounds right there.

I see the point now.

[Mansin Humanity]

the amount of energy some people expend on hating kanye is baffling.

[AxlisOld]

the amount of energy some people expend on hating kanye is baffling.

So is the amount of energy Kanye puts into being a piece of shit.

Actually come to think of it, it seems quite effortless on his part.

Edited October 10, 2014 by AxlisOld

[Jakey Styley]

In my mind, Axl > Kanye. In reality, Axl has never been and will never be nearly as creative and influential as Kanye. There's really no argument otherwise.

Thank god that's only on your mind.

the amount of energy some people expend on hating kanye is baffling.

So is the amount of energy Kanye puts into being a piece of shit.

Actually come to think of it, it seems quite effortless on his part.

Name some artists that you think have had more of an impact on music in the past decade. I get the whole d-bag thing, but I think sometimes people try to discount Kanye before he even has a chance to say what he has to say, just because he's got that reputation. You have to remember that aside from the fact that he's the youngest artist ever to already have 21 Grammies and has six critically-acclaimed albums that all sound completely different and unique from one-another, he was also the producer who created the sound for Jay-Z's greatest album (and one of the top 5 ranked rap albums of all time). He's produced hits for everyone from Brandy to Britney Spears, John Legend to Scarface, Nas to Beyoncé, Eminem to Drake, Keyshia Cole to Mariah Carey, Alicia Keys to Puff Daddy, Justin Beiber to Michael Jackson...you name someone out there who has been more influential and important to music in the past ten years. Again, I'm not trying to defend Kanye's actions outside of the music studio, but the numbers and reviews of his music speak for themselves. His fifth album was the first album in nine years to receive a perfect 10.0 rating from Pitchfork, not to mention 5 mics in the source, 5 stars in Rolling Stone. Say what you want about the man as a human, but his creativity and his passion have driven him to create six incredibly unique and honest albums. He is an artistic genius. That's just a fact, and to deny it is to turn a blind eye to everything he has accomplished.

[Len Cnut]

Why can none of you explain these great leaps forward in the evolution of popular music yet you all keep going on about it?

Also, influential is not necessarily a good thing, especially if your music is crap.

But come on, I've asked this a million times but no one can answer, explain the genius, i wanna know.

Yknow how long its been since 5 mics in The Source meant anything?

the amount of energy some people expend on hating kanye is baffling.

You'd be suprised how little energy it expends actually, hatred is quite energy efficient!

Edited October 10, 2014 by Lennie Godber

[Black Sabbath]

At least I can go to the store and buy his last two albums

[Len Cnut]

With the right wage bracket you could have his missus and all, God knows everyone else has Kanye is just a bitch on every level, up to and including wife-ing hoes

Edited October 10, 2014 by Lennie Godber

[Zeppelin]

I'm sorry, but if the measurement for Kanye's genius is only as far as Rolling Stone and Pitchfork go with their reviews, then I'm not interested in hearing about his genius. MBDTF is a good album, but it's also an album that Kanye admits was the product of PR healing and response to public embarrassments. That's not how you describe one of your best albums. That's brutal. If he had said, "Fuck what everyone thinks. Taylor Swift blows, and I'm putting out this album to show them what's up," then, even with that ego, I would have still given him the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Hell, even though I like the album, I barely hear about it anymore. It was hailed as the "Sgt. Pepper's of hip-hop" and I never hear anything about it. I still hear more about Sgt. Pepper's, nearly 50 years after its release lol.

I really have yet to see where his "genius" really has shown major influence. Maybe it's because I'm not the biggest hip-hop fan ever, but it should be a little more transparent. People keep spouting how influential the guy is, and while I'm not hating on him, I just don't see it. He does have a presence and he does produce some good music, but that's pretty much where it ends for me. It's fine if others see him as the second coming. But to me, he's a good producer who has made some good albums. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing really wrong with that either. But people get so hurt in the ass when people think he's less than Jesus. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't think he's immortal.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Zeppelin

[magisme]

Not one person in this thread thinks he's Jesus or immortal. I doubt many would even throw "genius" around. Definition of straw man.

His influence is all over hip hop. That's undeniable regardless of whether you like him, dislike him, think he's Jesus or think he's the anti-Christ.

Edited October 11, 2014 by magisme

[Jakey Styley]

I'm sorry, but if the measurement for Kanye's genius is only as far as Rolling Stone and Pitchfork go with their reviews, then I'm not interested in hearing about his genius. MBDTF is a good album, but it's also an album that Kanye admits was the product of PR healing and response to public embarrassments. That's not how you describe one of your best albums. That's brutal. If he had said, "Fuck what everyone thinks. Taylor Swift blows, and I'm putting out this album to show them what's up," then, even with that ego, I would have still given him the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Hell, even though I like the album, I barely hear about it anymore. It was hailed as the "Sgt. Pepper's of hip-hop" and I never hear anything about it. I still hear more about Sgt. Pepper's, nearly 50 years after its release lol.

I really have yet to see where his "genius" really has shown major influence. Maybe it's because I'm not the biggest hip-hop fan ever, but it should be a little more transparent. People keep spouting how influential the guy is, and while I'm not hating on him, I just don't see it. He does have a presence and he does produce some good music, but that's pretty much where it ends for me. It's fine if others see him as the second coming. But to me, he's a good producer who has made some good albums. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing really wrong with that either. But people get so hurt in the ass when people think he's less than Jesus. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't think he's immortal.

MBDTF is still mentioned a lot.

Without Kanye, Drake (arguably the biggest star in radio hip hop) might not be around or be as big as he is. Drake cites Kanye's 808s & Heartbreak as one of his biggest influences, and Kanye has produced a couple of his hits. Really, the way autotune is used on 808s wasn't done before and that's close to the way it's still used today. It's hard to find specific musical examples of Kanye's influence because he's his own producer, and he doesn't produce for others that often, and people can't replicate his sound or the way he raps. That being said, when it's announced that he's going to be producing another artists' song, all rap fans get excited for it.

Kanye's influence extends farther than his music and into pop culture and urban culture. There's a reason the Yeezys go for $5000 on Ebay, there's a reason all-red shoes are in style now, there's a reason anything he's seen wearing sells out, honestly a majority of urban fashion trends can be traced back to him. His name is on everyone's mind, even total non rap listeners, through association with Kim or his latest radio freakouts/concert rants (which become memes that everyone knows, "YOU AINT GOT THE ANSWERS", "it aint ralph though", etc).

Kanye is a larger than life figure. He takes publicity and and promotion to new levels. His concept driven concert experiences are like no other, with mountains and jeweled masks and monsters and choreographed orgies. Kanye and Jay Z did [black men] in Paris 11 times in a row for the encore of one show. Only he could do that. Him declaring on live television "George Bush doesn't care about black people" was incredible. No other hip hop artist has a fanbase as diverse, dedicated, and large as he does.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Jakey Styley