New Admins!

[maynard]

Merge Maynard, Figuredo, Smoking Baby and ProstituteComa pls

Smoking Prostitute Maynard would be cool.

[MB.]

Congrats guys!

Thanks ER And Forsaken, hope you guys will still post.

[Nosaj Thing]

Bring Back Maynard!

[Mysteron]

For Gods sake guys, ER, Forsaken, Subsy, HV, it is ok to be inactive admins. You are not undermining anyone if you keep your status but do not post very often. Relegating yourselves is daft, and also awkward. Remember, also, that you are go to guys for people on the forum to people that know you.

If Downzy and Subsy are the law-makers of the day, that is fine. But you guys posting as supporters is not right.

Backing away from problems in life never get's you anywhere, learning how to delegate properly is a valuable skill.

Have a think about it anyway

[Coma16]

For Gods sake guys, ER, Forsaken, Subsy, HV, it is ok to be inactive admins. You are not undermining anyone if you keep your status but do not post very often. Relegating yourselves is daft, and also awkward. Remember, also, that you are go to guys for people on the forum to people that know you.

If Downzy and Subsy are the law-makers of the day, that is fine. But you guys posting as supporters is not right.

Backing away from problems in life never get's you anywhere, learning how to delegate properly is a valuable skill.

Have a think about it anyway

I think it's a little more complicated than that.

[ZoSoRose]

Here, here- Keep the gang on the mod/admin squad

[Nosaj Thing]

I sincerely think that Subs, highvoltage, Forsaken and ER should all keep their 'admin' status. Yes, we know you guys no longer have the time to 'deal' with the forum but being demodded into supporter or regular member status is just wrong -- in my eyes.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Nosaj Thing

[downzy]

I sincerely think that Subs, highvoltage, Forsaken and ER should all keep their 'admin' status. Yes, we know you guys no longer have the time to 'deal' with the forum but being demodded into supporter or regular member status is just wrong -- in my eyes.

The issue is that if they kept their admin titles people would still be sending them PM's asking for their assistance. One thing Russ and I are quickly learning is that admins get asked to do a lot by various members. It's fine, it's what we signed up for, as we both want to help out the forum, but it's part of the job. All previous admins felt like their personal lives were preventing them from carrying out the functions that comes with the title. And I think that's a fair reaction after doing the job for many years. I suppose they could have forwarded requests to Russ and I, but then this forum would have six admins and what kind of customer service experience is that?

There will come a time when both Russ and I will want to move on and someone else will take over the role. It's not meant to be a permanent thing. And it's not about their inability to post. In fact, my bet is we'll see them post more often as they'll be free from the responsibilities of managing this place.

[RussTCB]

I sincerely think that Subs, highvoltage, Forsaken and ER should all keep their 'admin' status. Yes, we know you guys no longer have the time to 'deal' with the forum but being demodded into supporter or regular member status is just wrong -- in my eyes.

The issue is that if they kept their admin titles people would still be sending them PM's asking for their assistance. One thing Russ and I are quickly learning is that admins get asked to do a lot by various members. It's fine, it's what we signed up for, as we both want to help out the forum, but it's part of the job. All previous admins felt like their personal lives were preventing them from carrying out the functions that comes with the title. And I think that's a fair reaction after doing the job for many years. I suppose they could have forwarded requests to Russ and I, but then this forum would have six admins and what kind of customer service experience is that?

There will come a time when both Russ and I will want to move on and someone else will take over the role. It's not meant to be a permanent thing. And it's not about their inability to post. In fact, my bet is we'll see them post more often as they'll be free from the responsibilities of managing this place.

Exactly. This is in no way a permanent thing for us. We're just stepping up to help out for the time being is all.

[Damn_Smooth]

Don't you need to add mods so there is somebody left to step up then? After you it will probably be Powerage and BS (Who will continue to do nothing regardless of title), then Zint and who? Media crew?

[downzy]

Don't you need to add mods so there is somebody left to step up then? After you it will probably be Powerage and BS (Who will continue to do nothing regardless of title), then Zint and who? Media crew?

We are looking at bringing on another mod or two. We've got some things a brewing and hopefully we'll have things to announce later this week, if not next week.

[The Sandman]

Don't you need to add mods so there is somebody left to step up then? After you it will probably be Powerage and BS (Who will continue to do nothing regardless of title), then Zint and who? Media crew?

We are looking at bringing on another mod or two. We've got some things a brewing and hopefully we'll have things to announce later this week, if not next week.

Good stuff. I think generally we're quite good at self-moderating in most sections (bar a few people haha) - always good to have a presence though.

[Mysteron]

I sincerely think that Subs, highvoltage, Forsaken and ER should all keep their 'admin' status. Yes, we know you guys no longer have the time to 'deal' with the forum but being demodded into supporter or regular member status is just wrong -- in my eyes.

The issue is that if they kept their admin titles people would still be sending them PM's asking for their assistance. One thing Russ and I are quickly learning is that admins get asked to do a lot by various members. It's fine, it's what we signed up for, as we both want to help out the forum, but it's part of the job. All previous admins felt like their personal lives were preventing them from carrying out the functions that comes with the title. And I think that's a fair reaction after doing the job for many years. I suppose they could have forwarded requests to Russ and I, but then this forum would have six admins and what kind of customer service experience is that?

There will come a time when both Russ and I will want to move on and someone else will take over the role. It's not meant to be a permanent thing. And it's not about their inability to post. In fact, my bet is we'll see them post more often as they'll be free from the responsibilities of managing this place.

I am sure that a bunch of ageing Guns N'Roses fans on a forum in the corner of nowhere can handle active and inactive admins. It is genuinely fine,

Everyone here is mature enough to handle multiple admins, with some of them having periods of inactivity at different times. I actually like the idea of a forum reflecting the real lives of people more, it gives everything a better feel.

Subsy and co, put your flags in the sand, return to where you were before, but say that you are in absentia for a few months due to real life. I am sure everyone here is cool with it. Downzy and Russ can drive the train for a while, but then they want a break, someone else can come back and take over for a few months.

[downzy]

Understand that just because it looks like an admin is inactive doesn't mean it's true. ER doesn't post as much as he use to, but trust me when I tell you he's had his hands full the past couple of months. And though people like to take shots at BS for being inactive, he's been instrumental in several of the projects (particularly the forum's new merch store). There is way more to administering and moderating the forum than simply policing members.

If Subs wants to come back as an admin he's obviously more than welcome. But this was his decision and I think we should all respect that. Just as it was with all the previous admins.

[highvoltage]

Having inactive admins on the team isn't just about public perception - it's about perception and balance within the team as well. If the people at the "top" don't do anything, it's difficult for the other staff members to continue volunteering their own time when things get tough.

I've been a staff member under an inactive admin and it sucked. You need someone at the top who is motivated, in control, has fresh ideas and takes ownership of the site's direction. If there isn't someone like that at the center of it all, ideas just stay as ideas, nothing "big" ever gets done, and the team stagnates. You can't ask a person to step up into that role if you're unwilling to let go of it yourself.

Stepping down was the right choice, both for myself and for the site. I'm sure Subsy feels the same way.

[AdriftatSea]

Not a single mod or admin in the house right now! What should we do everyone?

If anything went wrong, can you imagine all the PM's that would get launched off to all the 'inactive' mod's or admins. They would hate every single one of us.(more so that usual!)

Edited December 10, 2014 by AdriftatSea

[Powerage5]

Having inactive admins on the team isn't just about public perception - it's about perception and balance within the team as well. If the people at the "top" don't do anything, it's difficult for the other staff members to continue volunteering their own time when things get tough.

I've been a staff member under an inactive admin and it sucked. You need someone at the top who is motivated, in control, has fresh ideas and takes ownership of the site's direction. If there isn't someone like that at the center of it all, ideas just stay as ideas, nothing "big" ever gets done, and the team stagnates. You can't ask a person to step up into that role if you're unwilling to let go of it yourself.

Stepping down was the right choice, both for myself and for the site. I'm sure Subsy feels the same way.

This. So much. After Eric sacked madison he never brought on a second admin - it was just him. Literally, once he confirmed me as a moderator, he never spoke to me again (Except when we met at a gig in 2011). And it wasn't just me - it was everyone on the staff. Right before Subsy took over me and Zint were running the place on our own more or less, with occasional interjections from Monty. And it didn't work, and anyone who was around for the first half of 2012 can attest to how shitty it was right before Subsy took over. That post-madison-pre-Subsy era was the worst time in MyGNR history, and it's all because we didn't have an admin that was taking care of his duties.

[Zint]

Having inactive admins on the team isn't just about public perception - it's about perception and balance within the team as well. If the people at the "top" don't do anything, it's difficult for the other staff members to continue volunteering their own time when things get tough.

I've been a staff member under an inactive admin and it sucked. You need someone at the top who is motivated, in control, has fresh ideas and takes ownership of the site's direction. If there isn't someone like that at the center of it all, ideas just stay as ideas, nothing "big" ever gets done, and the team stagnates. You can't ask a person to step up into that role if you're unwilling to let go of it yourself.

Stepping down was the right choice, both for myself and for the site. I'm sure Subsy feels the same way.

This. So much. After Eric sacked madison he never brought on a second admin - it was just him. Literally, once he confirmed me as a moderator, he never spoke to me again (Except when we met at a gig in 2011). And it wasn't just me - it was everyone on the staff. Right before Subsy took over me and Zint were running the place on our own more or less, with occasional interjections from Monty. And it didn't work, and anyone who was around for the first half of 2012 can attest to how shitty it was right before Subsy took over. That post-madison-pre-Subsy era was the worst time in MyGNR history, and it's all because we didn't have an admin that was taking care of his duties.

Not to mention that we knew Eric was packing up shop...with no known buyer yet to be spoken of, and there just didn't seem to be any reason to give a shit, other than attempting to allow the forum to bow out with a shred of dignity, hence banning those who showed their true colours and were intent on shitting on every aspect of the place...that and clearing out the daily amounts of midget scat porn etc.

[Lithium]

This. So much. After Eric sacked madison he never brought on a second admin - it was just him. Literally, once he confirmed me as a moderator, he never spoke to me again (Except when we met at a gig in 2011). And it wasn't just me - it was everyone on the staff. Right before Subsy took over me and Zint were running the place on our own more or less, with occasional interjections from Monty. And it didn't work, and anyone who was around for the first half of 2012 can attest to how shitty it was right before Subsy took over. That post-madison-pre-Subsy era was the worst time in MyGNR history, and it's all because we didn't have an admin that was taking care of his duties.

How dare you speak of Eric Romano that way?

[Satanisk_Slakt]

Madison has always been my favourite admin. Would be cool if she returned in the future.

[Mysteron]

Fair enough

I get the whole history of the site, it is just because we are all a little bit more mature, I thought you guys could just be admins but not be admins haha. I find it more odd seeing you as supporters.

Maybe you guys could be Erics? Maybe we could have an Eric status here that is above admin. It could represent a tongue in cheek dedication to the history of the site.

[Estranged Reality]

I sincerely think that Subs, highvoltage, Forsaken and ER should all keep their 'admin' status. Yes, we know you guys no longer have the time to 'deal' with the forum but being demodded into supporter or regular member status is just wrong -- in my eyes.

The issue is that if they kept their admin titles people would still be sending them PM's asking for their assistance. One thing Russ and I are quickly learning is that admins get asked to do a lot by various members. It's fine, it's what we signed up for, as we both want to help out the forum, but it's part of the job. All previous admins felt like their personal lives were preventing them from carrying out the functions that comes with the title. And I think that's a fair reaction after doing the job for many years. I suppose they could have forwarded requests to Russ and I, but then this forum would have six admins and what kind of customer service experience is that?

There will come a time when both Russ and I will want to move on and someone else will take over the role. It's not meant to be a permanent thing. And it's not about their inability to post. In fact, my bet is we'll see them post more often as they'll be free from the responsibilities of managing this place.

It's exactly this, along with a couple other factors I mentioned in my OP.

For me personally, I just haven't had quite as much time to devote to the forum as I felt it deserved -- so I felt guilty about that. I don't like having an administrator status if I don't feel I'm earning it, and especially when others are working harder than I am (as HV touched upon). But then there's also the fact that when I WAS committing time to the forum, much of the time was spent doing behind-the-scenes stuff like replying to PMs from members, looking into technical issues (I had to walk someone through how to clear their cache the other day!) -- I'm more than happy to do it and I'm not griping about it, it's just that if I know I'm not going to have as much time on here, even if I've made a note of it publicly, as long as I am listed as an admin, I'm going to have people coming to me with questions, and I'd hate for those questions to get lost in the shuffle and then have people become angry and claim the admins of the site ignored them. Then with my time spent doing that kinda stuff, I feel like I never post anymore, which gives the impression of an admin who is AWOL. And, again, this isn't something I'm complaining about or anything of the sort -- it's simply I realize the forum requires a greater level of commitment for its future.

I will say that I think downzy and Russ have already done a splendid job of helping to get some blood flowing and creative juices pumping again behind the scenes, and I'm happy to see that. I already feel a little more reinvigorated in my own shoes.

[arnold layne]

I was a moderator once. It was pretty cool.

[Estranged Reality]

Having inactive admins on the team isn't just about public perception - it's about perception and balance within the team as well. If the people at the "top" don't do anything, it's difficult for the other staff members to continue volunteering their own time when things get tough.

I've been a staff member under an inactive admin and it sucked. You need someone at the top who is motivated, in control, has fresh ideas and takes ownership of the site's direction. If there isn't someone like that at the center of it all, ideas just stay as ideas, nothing "big" ever gets done, and the team stagnates. You can't ask a person to step up into that role if you're unwilling to let go of it yourself.

Stepping down was the right choice, both for myself and for the site. I'm sure Subsy feels the same way.

This. So much. After Eric sacked madison he never brought on a second admin - it was just him. Literally, once he confirmed me as a moderator, he never spoke to me again (Except when we met at a gig in 2011). And it wasn't just me - it was everyone on the staff. Right before Subsy took over me and Zint were running the place on our own more or less, with occasional interjections from Monty. And it didn't work, and anyone who was around for the first half of 2012 can attest to how shitty it was right before Subsy took over. That post-madison-pre-Subsy era was the worst time in MyGNR history, and it's all because we didn't have an admin that was taking care of his duties.

This happened to me, too.

I was super-duper active as a moderator when I first came on board back in '09 or so -- I recently looked at the mod forum archive and I was actually impressed with myself in retrospect -- but ultimately Eric was a complete ghost figure and I could already tell when I became promoted that a good majority of the other team members had bailed because of the vibe. A few mods at the time (remember guys like Rick and jack99?) had basically been inactive for months on end when I came on board.

Not really shit-talking Eric per se, but let me put it this way: he spoke to me once when I came on board, and then never again. I messaged him a handful of times not only about member issues, but about the site's direction; he seemingly never read my messages, and never acknowledged them. Then, when I publicly defended Subs during the whole selling the forum/not selling the forum debacle, I was unceremoniously dumped without so much as a heads up.

I forget where i was headed with this... I guess my point is, you don't want a shitty admin or the team falls apart.

[Lithium]

Eric did warn me once for saying "hooray for tolerance!".