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"My whole thing is, Floyd's not going to have his best cornerman in his corner because there's no question in my mind that Roger is the better trainer," said Roach, who turns 55 on Thursday. "Floyd got 90 percent of his wins with Roger working with him. Roger is way better. I think Floyd Sr. is a terrible cornerman, I really do. That's going to work to our advantage on fight night because in the corner, I'm not going to be nervous and I'll be able to calmly talk to Manny and make whatever adjustments we have to make.

"But Floyd Sr. can't get his message out in that minute [rest] period. He gets so excited and worked up and he starts to stutter so he can't give his fighter any useful [information]."

"Look, Floyd was in the gym when he was five and the guy was born to fight," Roach said. "Everyone who has been around this sport knows that. You have to give him a ton of credit. He has great talent, but he's extremely smart in the ring and he knows what he's doing. He's training himself now. I know that. He's a self-made guy.

"He'll get himself prepared for this fight because he always has done that. But in a fight like this, where it's a tighter fight and he's not such a huge favorite, he could use a little advice or suggestion from his corner. But he's not going to get that from his father, so that's another advantage for us."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/freddie-roach-blasts-floyd-mayweather-sr---says-floyd-jr--taught-himself-013843523.html

Looks like Money Team ain't the only ones into mindgames. Exacerbating a dodgy relationship with his Dad, getting a bit of an insult in and fuckin' with their camp a bit. He'd rather a Roger in the corner cuz a Roger trained Floyd is less boring that a Floyd Sr trained Floyd. Meaning he'll come out.

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The fight that Leonard claimed 'taught me survival' and also led to his retina problems later.

I laugh heartily at anyone who paid for that shitshow.

I'm starting to believe Mayweather has a bit of fear towards Pac. All the bs he is pulling etc...

I know Arum is a liar, but he is on record as saying Floyd don't want a lefty like Pacman. I recently saw a video of Fred Roach talking about how he thinks the Mayweather fight is an easy one for Manny. This is going back a few years, prior to the first Bradley fight. I love listening to the head trainers of each guy. Both sides are outta their minds haha...

Almost less than 24 hours to go. There's also something on Spike tonite, 11pm, maybe a preview show, Ill check it out and post if there's anything good.

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"My whole thing is, Floyd's not going to have his best cornerman in his corner because there's no question in my mind that Roger is the better trainer," said Roach, who turns 55 on Thursday. "Floyd got 90 percent of his wins with Roger working with him. Roger is way better. I think Floyd Sr. is a terrible cornerman, I really do. That's going to work to our advantage on fight night because in the corner, I'm not going to be nervous and I'll be able to calmly talk to Manny and make whatever adjustments we have to make.

"But Floyd Sr. can't get his message out in that minute [rest] period. He gets so excited and worked up and he starts to stutter so he can't give his fighter any useful [information]."

"Look, Floyd was in the gym when he was five and the guy was born to fight," Roach said. "Everyone who has been around this sport knows that. You have to give him a ton of credit. He has great talent, but he's extremely smart in the ring and he knows what he's doing. He's training himself now. I know that. He's a self-made guy.

"He'll get himself prepared for this fight because he always has done that. But in a fight like this, where it's a tighter fight and he's not such a huge favorite, he could use a little advice or suggestion from his corner. But he's not going to get that from his father, so that's another advantage for us."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/freddie-roach-blasts-floyd-mayweather-sr---says-floyd-jr--taught-himself-013843523.html

Looks like Money Team ain't the only ones into mindgames. Exacerbating a dodgy relationship with his Dad, getting a bit of an insult in and fuckin' with their camp a bit. He'd rather a Roger in the corner cuz a Roger trained Floyd is less boring that a Floyd Sr trained Floyd. Meaning he'll come out.

I love Roach. He's by far the best in the business and has been for a long time. He's been with Manny for a long ass time to. That kinda stuff could make or break the fight. I've seen video of Roger where you couldn't understand a lick of what he is saying. Seriously, it s like a dude who speaks only English trying to understand German, except the guy speaking German is trying to speak English, lol...

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Finished Angie Dundee's autobiography. Probably the best boxing autobiography I have read. It is interesting reading it straight after Leonard's since Leonard's essentially backs Mike Trainer, in Trainer's spat with Dundee, whereas, obviously, Dundee defends himself in his own book. There are also contradictions on Dundee getting knocked out at the Benitez fight. Sugar Ray does mention that the 'n' word was said. Dundee still does not know the reason for it today and complains about Trainer trying to cover the whole thing up. There is also a slight, contradiction in the amount of planning Dundee had in Leonard's great fights. I get the feeling that there is not much love loss between Sugar Ray Leonard and Dundee. It was the only quarrels he had with any of his fighters and this was a 'wop' who was accepted, even respected, by the sinister Nation of Islam chaps in Ali's entourage!

The earlier part of the book is full of the, general feeling of boxing in New York as it was during the late 40s-early 50s; the humour, the spit, sweaty jockstraps and termites of run down gyms; the legendary sportswriters and managers and characters of the era; the aura of 'The Garden' (as it was known).

It ends with an indictment of modern boxing, the alphabet soups, weight divisions and corruption.

Great book.

PS

There is a lot of the usual American humour about British heavyweights! Bert Sugar co-authored it and I do detect his influence there.

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Roach has started the smack talk saying he prefers Floyd SR in the corner as he can't get anything out useful within one minute, I kinda disagree, I think Roger is clearly a solid trainer but in the corner all I recall him saying is three things; 'Doan worry abou' that, box that mofucker', 'Keep getting in his ass, he doan know how to box', 'Keep doing whatcha doin'' :lol: At least SR offers advise and constructive shit, I know Mayweather doesn't really need a trainer in the corner, he basically trains and thinks on his own but sometimes he needs an outside perspective, every fighter does. Roach always seems to give succinct, effective shit in the corner, his parkinson's doesn't seem to effect his role too much.


And the Hatton vs Pacquiao fight was an unfair reflection on senior, Hatton didn't listen at all, he went off on his own during training camp cause he didn't like Floyd sr 'overtraining' him and the whole damn thing was a shambles, Malignaggi was one thing, he couldn't knock a flea out to be honest, I know he'd knock most armchair fans out but this is the elite level. Pacquiao blasted him out because he wouldn't keep his fucking hands up, walked in straight lines and repeatedly got caught with the same shot until he finally registered it by lying flat on the canvas, he tried as many others have overpowering the little tornado. Senior talks tons of shit saying 'my son gonna whoop Pacquiao's ass, what's he gonna bring? He gonna bring his ass to the ring and that's it' but he's obviously got some ideas in mind.

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Did you catch this T.W.A.T? ANd yeah, i can juuust about understand Roger but he's talkin' about Floyd Snr. Probably not a good line of attack by a man with Parkinsons though i must say.

I did, kids got a bit of his old man in him. Hes still a little green but a good good prospect for sure. I'd guess he's about ready to step up to B level?? I've seen his last two fights, but don't know much about him. What do you think about him as a fighter?

I mentioned his old man, who I know you love, are the two comparable?

Also I realised Im a day ahead of myself. That show I mentioned is tonite (Friday) and is about the fights on Sat.

I just read a bit about Ewbank jr. Goes to show the disparity between US boxers and fighters in the UK. He barely gets a mention over here but he holds the WBA strap. I suppose as a fight fan I should know more about him, but we just don't hear about guys like him unless they are fighting in a big fight.

Middleweight and surrounding divisions are loaded, hes gonna get a good chance against someone. Hell, why not Cotto, hes looking to cash in. Young upstart interim titleholder vs Lineal Champion. Kinda like what Mayweather did for Canelo

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Did you catch this T.W.A.T? ANd yeah, i can juuust about understand Roger but he's talkin' about Floyd Snr. Probably not a good line of attack by a man with Parkinsons though i must say.

I did, kids got a bit of his old man in him. Hes still a little green but a good good prospect for sure. I'd guess he's about ready to step up to B level?? I've seen his last two fights, but don't know much about him. What do you think about him as a fighter?

I mentioned his old man, who I know you love, are the two comparable?

Also I realised Im a day ahead of myself. That show I mentioned is tonite (Friday) and is about the fights on Sat.

I just read a bit about Ewbank jr. Goes to show the disparity between US boxers and fighters in the UK. He barely gets a mention over here but he holds the WBA strap. I suppose as a fight fan I should know more about him, but we just don't hear about guys like him unless they are fighting in a big fight.

Middleweight and surrounding divisions are loaded, hes gonna get a good chance against someone. Hell, why not Cotto, hes looking to cash in. Young upstart interim titleholder vs Lineal Champion. Kinda like what Mayweather did for Canelo

I think he's got potential...but thats about it at the moment. Middleweight is a fuckin' lethal division too. He's better lined up for a fight with GGG really, because he holds the interim strap for the title GGG has.

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I was watching Sugar Ray Leonard's fights with Hearns & Hagler recently on YouTube. That man had lots of skill, both those guys where stronger & heavier than him and could have caused him serious damage but still managed to beat both guys. I play Fight Night Champion on Xbox 360 online, if anybody fancies tearing it up.

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I was watching Sugar Ray Leonard's fights with Hearns & Hagler recently on YouTube. That man had lots of skill, both those guys where stronger & heavier than him and could have caused him serious damage but still managed to beat both guys. I play Fight Night Champion on Xbox 360 online, if anybody fancies tearing it up.

Hearns v Leonard fights were divine intervention.

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I was watching Sugar Ray Leonard's fights with Hearns & Hagler recently on YouTube. That man had lots of skill, both those guys where stronger & heavier than him and could have caused him serious damage but still managed to beat both guys. I play Fight Night Champion on Xbox 360 online, if anybody fancies tearing it up.

Hearns v Leonard fights were divine intervention.

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Serious man, those were both Hearnses fights. Whats so amazing about that era is that history could've turned out 8 or 9 different ways with the core fighters having interchangeable places in the history books, it was that competitive back then, literally like one or two rounds or a few good volleys of punches, often avoidable ones, crazy.

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Did you catch this T.W.A.T? ANd yeah, i can juuust about understand Roger but he's talkin' about Floyd Snr. Probably not a good line of attack by a man with Parkinsons though i must say.

I did, kids got a bit of his old man in him. Hes still a little green but a good good prospect for sure. I'd guess he's about ready to step up to B level?? I've seen his last two fights, but don't know much about him. What do you think about him as a fighter?

I mentioned his old man, who I know you love, are the two comparable?

Also I realised Im a day ahead of myself. That show I mentioned is tonite (Friday) and is about the fights on Sat.

I just read a bit about Ewbank jr. Goes to show the disparity between US boxers and fighters in the UK. He barely gets a mention over here but he holds the WBA strap. I suppose as a fight fan I should know more about him, but we just don't hear about guys like him unless they are fighting in a big fight.

Middleweight and surrounding divisions are loaded, hes gonna get a good chance against someone. Hell, why not Cotto, hes looking to cash in. Young upstart interim titleholder vs Lineal Champion. Kinda like what Mayweather did for Canelo

I think he's got potential...but thats about it at the moment. Middleweight is a fuckin' lethal division too. He's better lined up for a fight with GGG really, because he holds the interim strap for the title GGG has.

Gotcha. I don't think anyone cares for the WBA belt Chris has tbh. GGG at 32, is imo, gonna be looking for big fights this year and the guy fights 4 times a year so why not just wipe out the division and pick up as many belts in the process. If I'm Jr, I take 2 fights as interim champ, cash in a bit/ get some experience, vacate, and start going after names towards the end of the year. GGG v Ewbank jr Dec 22nd in Monaco....

Cotto also has signed with Roc Nation, Haymon doesn't do business with them, so that cuts out 9/10ths of possible opponents for him, lol. So now he's fighting Anthony K9 Bundrage. Imagine being the lineal middleweight champion, passing on a $10.5 million dollar payday with Canelo, in hope of fighting Floyd again, who he alredy lost to. Only to be passed on by Floyd and now is left fighting Bundrage, that sucks. Anyways, I think he signed for 3 fights, which is cool, I like Miguel.

I was giving Cotto a pass and let him cash in for a fight but Bundrage? Come on Miguel...

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Serious man, those were both Hearnses fights. Whats so amazing about that era is that history could've turned out 8 or 9 different ways with the core fighters having interchangeable places in the history books, it was that competitive back then, literally like one or two rounds or a few good volleys of punches, often avoidable ones, crazy.

Maybe so but for me Sugar Ray doesn't get enough credit for his career, he was the superstar who filled the void after Ali retired.

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Serious man, those were both Hearnses fights. Whats so amazing about that era is that history could've turned out 8 or 9 different ways with the core fighters having interchangeable places in the history books, it was that competitive back then, literally like one or two rounds or a few good volleys of punches, often avoidable ones, crazy.

Maybe so but for me Sugar Ray doesn't get enough credit for his career, he was the superstar who filled the void after Ali retired.

You know hes one of the highest rated fighters of all time right?

Gotcha. I don't think anyone cares for the WBA belt Chris has tbh. GGG at 32, is imo, gonna be looking for big fights this year and the guy fights 4 times a year so why not just wipe out the division and pick up as many belts in the process. If I'm Jr, I take 2 fights as interim champ, cash in a bit/ get some experience, vacate, and start going after names towards the end of the year. GGG v Ewbank jr Dec 22nd in Monaco....

Oh definitely, those interim titles are a bunch of bullshit, i just meant due to it being the same governing body it's just lined up that way. I don't think Eubank Jnr is anywhere near ready for GGG, I'd save him for fuckin' last, build up, take on your Billy Joes and Martin Murrays, then maybe an older guy like Cotto (even him i don't think Little Chris is ready for) and then follow on logically. There should be eight weights and one title a piece i reckon. Maybe two.

Cotto also has signed with Roc Nation, Haymon doesn't do business with them, so that cuts out 9/10ths of possible opponents for him, lol. So now he's fighting Anthony K9 Bundrage. Imagine being the lineal middleweight champion, passing on a $10.5 million dollar payday with Canelo, in hope of fighting Floyd again, who he alredy lost to. Only to be passed on by Floyd and now is left fighting Bundrage, that sucks. Anyways, I think he signed for 3 fights, which is cool, I like Miguel.

I was giving Cotto a pass and let him cash in for a fight but Bundrage? Come on Miguel...

It's very un-Cotto like isn't it? Perhaps towards the tailend he's looking for good money and no risk :shrugs:

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Serious man, those were both Hearnses fights. Whats so amazing about that era is that history could've turned out 8 or 9 different ways with the core fighters having interchangeable places in the history books, it was that competitive back then, literally like one or two rounds or a few good volleys of punches, often avoidable ones, crazy.

Maybe so but for me Sugar Ray doesn't get enough credit for his career, he was the superstar who filled the void after Ali retired.

Do you believe so? He got more credit than Hagler during that period who, between the protracted demise of Ali (beginning around 1975, 76ish) and the rise of Tyson (85ish), was certainly the best pound for pound boxer. Hagler had a chip on his shoulder for many years because of this.

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That is disappointing with Cotto. Was hoping for a Khan matchup after they both missed out on Mayweather and Pacquiao, so Bundrage would definitely be disappointing. Is that one official now?

Looking forward to the NBC card tomorrow--they picked a pretty good one to lead off with. Big fan of Thurman--hope he gets the KO. Not a big fan of Guerrero, but that's probably more so his father's fault--still find it funny how his dad was jumping around the ring yelling about how Mayweather had ran from Guerrero right after Mayweather put on a boxing clinic. Broner-Molina will be interesting. Never did think he made the right move by jumping two weight classes, and it obviously showed. Think junior welterweight is where he belongs right now. Wish he would get back to how he was fighting before jumping to welterweight though. He was much more aggressive, which helped him both offensively and defensively. He just looks really stiff now with his current style. There's flashes of what he showed before when he occasionally let's his hands go, but he doesn't do that nearly often enough. Was hoping dropping back down a weight class would help him get back to his older style, but that hasn't been the case so far.

I did end up deciding to go to the Roy Jones, Jr. card tonight. Will be in the fourth row after finding a promotion code online for 20% off. With the discount, it ended up being just a little more than the original price level I was looking at, so I figured, fourth row for just a little more? Why not?

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That is disappointing with Cotto. Was hoping for a Khan matchup after they both missed out on Mayweather and Pacquiao, so Bundrage would definitely be disappointing. Is that one official now?

Looking forward to the NBC card tomorrow--they picked a pretty good one to lead off with. Big fan of Thurman--hope he gets the KO. Not a big fan of Guerrero, but that's probably more so his father's fault--still find it funny how his dad was jumping around the ring yelling about how Mayweather had ran from Guerrero right after Mayweather put on a boxing clinic. Broner-Molina will be interesting. Never did think he made the right move by jumping two weight classes, and it obviously showed. Think junior welterweight is where he belongs right now. Wish he would get back to how he was fighting before jumping to welterweight though. He was much more aggressive, which helped him both offensively and defensively. He just looks really stiff now with his current style. There's flashes of what he showed before when he occasionally let's his hands go, but he doesn't do that nearly often enough. Was hoping dropping back down a weight class would help him get back to his older style, but that hasn't been the case so far.

I did end up deciding to go to the Roy Jones, Jr. card tonight. Will be in the fourth row after finding a promotion code online for 20% off. With the discount, it ended up being just a little more than the original price level I was looking at, so I figured, fourth row for just a little more? Why not?

Same here for Cotto, I guess he's gonna go for a big fight in the fall? Maybe he vacates or fights Canelo, if he should win, who knows, lol...

Awesome you went to see Jones!! I hope he puts on a good show for you!!

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