Carburetta Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just having a look through Youtube and came across some Izzy tribute videos (covers of his parts) and it struck me how awesome alot were (the parts that is, not necessarily the covers), it felt like a lot of what I was listening to to was what I hear most in Guns songs. One guy in particular commented on how alot of Izzy parts are wrongly attributed to Slash, which I found pretty interesting. If these parts are accurate it's like Izzy is the heart of many Appetite songs we hold dearest. Sure Slash soloing throughout songs is cool but most of the song structure and riffs seem to be originating from Izzy. I may even have been guilty of thinking Slash wrote most guitar parts for Appetite (even the parts played by Izzy), it seems I may have been doing Izzy a great disservice.To me, when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par) it makes sense that Izzy was the main driver behind alot of what we hear on Appetite. Slash is most famous for Sweet child and Paradise intro and some admittedly brilliant solos. I'd love to know on Illusions what Izzy is playing and writing. I think I have to re-evaluate Izzy's contribution to Guns on the evidence of some of these videos. It isn't helped by remarks by band members that "Izzy's amp had to be turned down" etc. I do have the feeling (possibly wrongly) that Izzy's contribution dropped off slightly during Illusion writings and recordings but during Appetite/Lies he most definitely seems to be earning his coin contributing to the magic of Gn'r.Have a look at some of these and tell me what you think.<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2s808EKCT5M"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vMEzbsHsLjk"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9Q98SEJl7eg"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> There are more like this. Not sure of embedding is going to work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Yeah dude. You underestimated Izzy. If I remember correctly, at least half of Illusions were his riffs. Izzy rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tberrie007 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just having a look through Youtube and came across some Izzy tribute videos (covers of his parts) and it struck me how awesome alot were (the parts that is, not necessarily the covers), it felt like a lot of what I was listening to to was what I hear most in Guns songs. One guy in particular commented on how alot of Izzy parts are wrongly attributed to Slash, which I found pretty interesting. If these parts are accurate it's like Izzy is the heart of many Appetite songs we hold dearest. Sure Slash soloing throughout songs is cool but most of the song structure and riffs seem to be originating from Izzy. I may even have been guilty of thinking Slash wrote most guitar parts for Appetite (even the parts played by Izzy), it seems I may have been doing Izzy a great disservice.To me, when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par) it makes sense that Izzy was the main driver behind alot of what we hear on Appetite. Slash is most famous for Sweet child and Paradise intro and some admittedly brilliant solos. I'd love to know on Illusions what Izzy is playing and writing. I think I have to re-evaluate Izzy's contribution to Guns on the evidence of some of these videos. It isn't helped by remarks by band members that "Izzy's amp had to be turned down" etc. I do have the feeling (possibly wrongly) that Izzy's contribution dropped off slightly during Illusion writings and recordings but during Appetite/Lies he most definitely seems to be earning his coin contributing to the magic of Gn'r.Have a look at some of these and tell me what you think.<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2s808EKCT5M"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vMEzbsHsLjk"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9Q98SEJl7eg"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>There are more like this. Not sure of embedding is going to work.thanks for posting this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parisrocks Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Nice post! I love anything positive and this makes think Izzy is even more badass than before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par)Couldn't you say the same thing about every member's work post-classic lineup? Nothing Izzy has done since GnR has went on to capture the fancy of the music world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carburetta Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par)Couldn't you say the same thing about every member's work post-classic lineup? Nothing Izzy has done since GnR has went on to capture the fancy of the music world.Yes you could, it's fascinating they bought so much out of each other as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Yea even on the stern show past time slash went on, stern played mr brownstone as one of Slash's great riffs and Slash corrected him that it was izzy. Izzy added quite a bit to GNR. I often forget too, but it's easy to show someone just how important he was. But Izzy is happy that he never got really famous. That guy has it exactly how he wants it. Enough money to do what he wants and not enough fame to do what he wants. I'm interested to hear an Izzy Axl song if we get one on the next album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Love this performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquor & Whores Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 you didn't discover anything newIzzy was much more important to GNR than Slash - when it comes to songwriting 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Yeah I love listening to AFD on my studio headphones-- the guitar interplay is incredible.But it's important to note that the INTERPLAY is what's so amazing about AFD. If it were just Izzy or just Slash, it would be boring. Yes, Izzy played incredible, choppy, syncopated rhythm guitar, but without Slash's darker, more sustained rhythm, it just wouldn't sound as good.They need each other. That's why their solo work is equally boring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par)Couldn't you say the same thing about every member's work post-classic lineup? Nothing Izzy has done since GnR has went on to capture the fancy of the music world.I understand and acknowledge how important Izzy (and Steven) was in GNR, but his solo output is to my ears very underwhelming.It's like he does not even try to sing properly, and it all sounds so half assed and slapdash IMO...and on purpose too?I know Diesel Daisy is going to flip on me here, but I just can't see what there is to love.In GNR, Duff was great- but be damned if I can sit through more than two songs of him on vocals in a row Much respect to all the previous members for putting out music and doing what they do, but barely any of it really catches my ear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacu44 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Izzy StradlinWelcome to the Jungle (Izzy)https://youtu.be/rUSFOxhxtLI?t=11sParadise City (Izzy)https://youtu.be/_mUqKut8yCo?t=41sSweet Child o' Mine (Izzy) {I really like this one}https://youtu.be/ffe_B1hStDA?t=12sLike A Dog - Izzy Stradlin (Album youtube playlist)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIUAkYwJL0&list=PLA6577171943BB30E&index=1 Alot of the songs from Like a Dog were going to be Velvet Revolver if he was going to sing, SLASH wanted a diva.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par)Couldn't you say the same thing about every member's work post-classic lineup? Nothing Izzy has done since GnR has went on to capture the fancy of the music world.I understand and acknowledge how important Izzy (and Steven) was in GNR, but his solo output is to my ears very underwhelming.It's like he does not even try to sing properly, and it all sounds so half assed and slapdash IMO...and on purpose too?I know Diesel Daisy is going to flip on me here, but I just can't see what there is to love.In GNR, Duff was great- but be damned if I can sit through more than two songs of him on vocals in a row Much respect to all the previous members for putting out music and doing what they do, but barely any of it really catches my ear.I agree 100%Slash has probably released the best stuff of all of the former members but he still has a bunch of shit in there too.Duff's work is just atrocious. Every band he's been in sucks. Just horrible.Adler actually has released some fun stuff...nothing that's gonna change the world, but it's not horrible.Izzy sounds like he recorded his whole discography in 1 afternoon. It all sounds lazy as shit. Uninspired to the maximum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Izzy StradlinWelcome to the Jungle (Izzy)https://youtu.be/rUSFOxhxtLI?t=11sParadise City (Izzy)https://youtu.be/_mUqKut8yCo?t=41sSweet Child o' Mine (Izzy) {I really like this one}https://youtu.be/ffe_B1hStDA?t=12sLike A Dog - Izzy Stradlin (Album youtube playlist)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIUAkYwJL0&list=PLA6577171943BB30E&index=1Alot of the songs from Like a Dog were going to be Velvet Revolver if he was going to sing, SLASH wanted a diva....some sounds like Guitar Pro. Some tabs in the internet arenot so good. I prefer learning by ear and this trick: . With this trick, you can clearly hear the Guitar from Izzy.Try this with Rocket Queen, Izzys playing is amazing in this Edited March 12, 2015 by t-p-d-a 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Izzy did contributed a lot, for the illusions albums Slash, Duff and Steven went in the studio way before Axl and Izzy, I guess Izzy was in rehab, so Izzy showed up in the Studio after 6 to 7 months, by that time Slash and Duff had made a lot of demo's, but Izzy did contribute a lot and he is an amazing song writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 when you think about Slash's solo work (mostly below par)Couldn't you say the same thing about every member's work post-classic lineup? Nothing Izzy has done since GnR has went on to capture the fancy of the music world.I understand and acknowledge how important Izzy (and Steven) was in GNR, but his solo output is to my ears very underwhelming.It's like he does not even try to sing properly, and it all sounds so half assed and slapdash IMO...and on purpose too?I know Diesel Daisy is going to flip on me here, but I just can't see what there is to love.In GNR, Duff was great- but be damned if I can sit through more than two songs of him on vocals in a row Much respect to all the previous members for putting out music and doing what they do, but barely any of it really catches my ear.I agree 100%Slash has probably released the best stuff of all of the former members but he still has a bunch of shit in there too.Duff's work is just atrocious. Every band he's been in sucks. Just horrible.Adler actually has released some fun stuff...nothing that's gonna change the world, but it's not horrible.Izzy sounds like he recorded his whole discography in 1 afternoon. It all sounds lazy as shit. Uninspired to the maximum. this is the only Izzy song I can listen to multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I have the Ju Ju Hounds CD, 117 degrees and River... Just kind of lost interest after that because he doesn't tour or anything. I would be more inclined to by some more if he toured once in awhile.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carburetta Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash?It's not important, plus, no one is implying he is "The man" what ever that means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash?Honestly, I don't think he cares to be successful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 The only song of izzy ' s that I thought was great is upside. I think it was just released as a single.... though I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willl Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash?Depends on your definition of success I suppose Izzy has no Twitter, no Facebook, no websites, no record label, last toured his solo stuff in 2000 (4 gigs in Japan only), and rarely does the whole press thing. I think his last interview was in 2006 for Tunecore?Pretty sure Izzy would be more successful in terms of record sales if he did all of the above, but others have said on a few occassions that Izzy doesn't like the machine.He's probably busy enjoying his life without the extra hassle all of the above would bring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash?Honestly, I don't think he cares to be successful.ThisIzzy left GNR at their absoulute peak to avoid relapsingAfter that he just appreciate other things than successhe doesn't give a shit, recording music just for fun, i guess, because touring is not his thing Edited March 13, 2015 by Motivation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Think they probably started muting Izzy's amp because he'd just be too wasted to play anything coherently at the shows. But he was always key to the songwriting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I love Izzy as much as the next GnR fan.But if he was The Man - then why hasn't he been successful without Axl and Slash?Depends on your definition of success I suppose Izzy has no Twitter, no Facebook, no websites, no record label, last toured his solo stuff in 2000 (4 gigs in Japan only), and rarely does the whole press thing. I think his last interview was in 2006 for Tunecore?Pretty sure Izzy would be more successful in terms of record sales if he did all of the above, but others have said on a few occassions that Izzy doesn't like the machine.He's probably busy enjoying his life without the extra hassle all of the above would bring I get all that. And I suppose the no touring thing would be a huge part of it.But in today's world of technology, a great song is going to find an audience. People put crap on youtube and a week later it's gotten 5 million views.Izzy has released numerous albums. If there was another SCOM or Jungle on them, music fans would discover it.I'm not down playing the guy's talent at all. He was a key ingredient to why GnR once was the best rock band in the world.I just wonder if some people go a little overboard when heaping maybe too much credit his way. Without Axl's voice and Slash's guitar work, then Izzy is who we have today. And without GnR.......do any of us on here know who Izzy is? With his lack of willingness to do any promotion at all, he's probably got a normal job and just plays in a band with his buddies. But Axl and Slash have both proved they can be successful without Izzy's help.I respect your point of view though, thanks for the detailed intelligent answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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