EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rovim said: Reflecting your emotion in an effective way through music requires talent, musical talent which is what Rollings at least at some point had. In his genre technique is not very important. He has become more mellow like many people that grow old. No need for a reply. No need for a reply? I actually don't disagree with you, I just meant that he's not a very ''musical'' guy, nor did he write that much for Black Flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, EvanG said: No need for a reply? I actually don't disagree with you, I just "Rollins got to be the singer of Black Flag because of his energy and anger, and he somehow managed to produce a primal scream that fitted the music, not because of his musical talent". This statement is incorrect. His energy and anger were reflected in a musical way so how he communicated that is musical talent. Do you disagree now? no need for a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rovim said: Reflecting your emotion in an effective way through music requires talent It can do but I don't think its necessary. And there is no barometer for measuring the effectiveness of a voice and the way it communicates. Popularity perhaps? I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rovim said: "Rollins got to be the singer of Black Flag because of his energy and anger, and he somehow managed to produce a primal scream that fitted the music, not because of his musical talent". This statement is incorrect. His energy and anger were reflected in a musical way so how he communicated that is musical talent. Do you disagree now? no need for a reply. I reply if I want to. I do disagree now, he's not a very musically gifted person, he has explained that himself many, many times. I don't disagree that ''reflecting your emotion through music'' can't be a talent, but that is not what I was talking about. Edited October 2, 2019 by EvanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: It can do but I don't think its necessary. And there is no barometer for measuring the effectiveness of a voice and the way it communicates. Popularity perhaps? I don't know. True, but this is not what we were discussing. Specifically Black Flag. Specifically Rollins. There was musical talent there. EvanG said he "somehow managed" to produce a primal scream that fitted the music. I disagree with that. I think it's obvious he had musical talent. In general I agree it is not necessary. 1 minute ago, EvanG said: I reply if I want to I know, it's something I have to live with almost everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rovim said: EvanG said he "somehow managed" to produce a primal scream that fitted the music. Not everyone can ''scream'' like that, I sure can't. He had a voice that lent itself for those type of screams, and he put a lot of anger and frustration in that, that is why they asked him to be the singer. What don't you understand about that? 5 minutes ago, Rovim said: I know, it's something I have to live with almost everyday. Sucks to be you, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Do yous two not like each other or something? Shame cuz you're both alright lads, I order you to henceforth get along or I'll kick you in the bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: Do yous two not like each other or something? Shame cuz you're both alright lads, I order you to henceforth get along or I'll kick you in the bollocks. Did you see how he insulted me just now? I can assure you he is not an "alright lad". I had to call my mom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Do yous two not like each other or something? Shame cuz you're both alright lads, I order you to henceforth get along or I'll kick you in the bollocks. I don't even know him! And I even agree with what he says partly, I think there is some talent, but I also agree with you and with Rollins himself. Why he keeps disagreeing with me, lord knows... Just now, Rovim said: Did you see how he insulted me just now? I can assure you he is not an "alright lad". I had to call my mom. Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to insult you at all, but if that is the case it really must suck to be you. Just being honest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 At 8:40 in the clip I posted, Henry talks about himself as a musician and what his talent is. He put himself down a little bit too much, as he often does in interviews, but I get what he is trying to say and that is what I was trying to say too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, Rovim said: Did you see how he insulted me just now? I can assure you he is not an "alright lad". I had to call my mom. What did you call her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 @EvanG Have you ever seen this? I thought it was pretty funny and informative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, soon said: @EvanG Have you ever seen this? I thought it was pretty funny and informative No, but I read Get In The Van, journal entries from his time in Black Flag. It's kinda bleak, but a good read. Do you know Nardwuar from Vancouver? He's a hyperactive guy who is obsessed with Vancouver and Canada, but he always goes into interviews incredibly prepared and is always able to surprise people on how well informed he is. Anyway, he also interviewed Rollins back in the 90s and at first Rollins is a bit of a dick to him, but then Nardwuar kinda wins him over by showing him that he really knows his shit and that he isn't just a silly character... it's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, EvanG said: No, but I read Get In The Van, journal entries from his time in Black Flag. It's kinda bleak, but a good read. Do you know Nardwuar from Vancouver? He's a hyperactive guy who is obsessed with Vancouver and Canada, but he always goes into interviews incredibly prepared and is always able to surprise people on how well informed he is. Anyway, he also interviewed Rollins back in the 90s and at first Rollins is a bit of a dick to him, but then Nardwuar kinda wins him over by showing him that he really knows his shit and that he isn't just a silly character... it's funny. Nardwuar is a G, hes interviewed some legends. He had a heart attack recently. He and Henry did a more recent one where they got on a bit better. Edited October 2, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 There is something very likeable about Nardwuar, I even like his band. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, EvanG said: No, but I read Get In The Van, journal entries from his time in Black Flag. It's kinda bleak, but a good read. Do you know Nardwuar from Vancouver? He's a hyperactive guy who is obsessed with Vancouver and Canada, but he always goes into interviews incredibly prepared and is always able to surprise people on how well informed he is. Anyway, he also interviewed Rollins back in the 90s and at first Rollins is a bit of a dick to him, but then Nardwuar kinda wins him over by showing him that he really knows his shit and that he isn't just a silly character... it's funny. Hes a national treasure! Some peoples shtick gets old but he's evergreen. I love the relationship he has with Billie Elish and her family 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jabberwocky Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 In memoriam to Kim Shattuck. Loved her band The Muffs. Only 56 years old and had ALS. She could kill it on guitar and her voice was a shrieking weapon. The Muffs - Satellite, Los Angeles Ca. 3/2/13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Super Duper Alice Cooper. I enjoyed it. Wished it was longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jabberwocky Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 TRAINWRECKORDS: "Cut the Crap" by The Clash 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 03/11/2019 at 5:21 AM, Jabberwocky said: TRAINWRECKORDS: "Cut the Crap" by The Clash I like how he begins off with how no documentary or Clash history thing ever addresses Cut the Crap and then goes on later to show clips from The Rise and Fall of The Clash, a documentary (though not official) that is almost entirely about the post Mick Jones era. I think too little is made of the importance of Topper Headon also in his assessment of why The Clash went tits up. Lets face it, pop music is not really that complicated a proposition, in terms of the meat and mash of it all, the difference from one genre to another is centred around the drumbeat and Topper was fucking fantastic in that regard, I believe it was Sandy Pearlman or Glyn Johns who called him the human metronome, Topper could LITERALLY play any-fucking-thing, soul, reggae, funk, calypso, just fucking anything, he was the essential ingridient that, when they lost him, they just didn't fuckin' sound right. Not that I'm trying to lessen the importance of Mick here cuz Mick was fucking essential, they were all fucking essential but Topper is like the unsung hero of that band, the reason they were able to go into the directions that London Calling and Sandinista went into (and those directions are varied as fuck, they are like a catalogue of 20th century western popular, and not so popular, music) is because Topper Headon could do the fuckin' work behind the kit, the man was phenomenal, if you list to any live recording of theirs or live video or whatever, from when they got Terry Chimes back in the band, they don't fuckin' sound right, they don't sound like The Clash, they lost their groove. As for Cut the Crap, I've never listened to it, I can't bring myself to listen to it, in the same way I can't bring myself to listen to any post Keith Moon Who albums. To me, as stated in this documentary thing, they ain't Clash albums, they are Bernie Rhodes albums. And I'm not from among those who slate people like McLaren and Rhodes, I like those guys in an odd way, they are wonderful, the world needs more of these insane charlatan fuckin'...cunts, if only for their ideas and the radical shit they bring to the table, Malcolm McLaren especially I will love for the rest of my life but their job is to do with the surrounding fuckeries, not the most important bit, the music. Mick Jones was the arranger, Joe was the lyrics man and one needed the other. Its a shame they went the way they did but then in another way, I dunno, maybe it wasn't, they left 5 fantastic albums, took punk right to that peak where it could've been huge...then fucked it off, thus proving look, it ain't cuz we can't be huge, we just don't wannabe huge cuz huge was never the fuckin' point. There was always this thing prior to that that punks lo fi ideals and inability to REALLY explode was something to do with a lack of ability, The Clash proved that wrong, or came as close to proving that wrong, out of the original bunch, as anyone else, with the exclusion of possibly The Sex Pistols, who really and truly could've gone on to be massive after Winterland but, to paraphrase Joe Pesci in Casino, in the end they fucked it all up. And gloriously. For another quote, Malcolm McLaren this time, better a flamboyant failure than any kind of benign success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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