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Donald Trump just grabbed America by the pussy

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7 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

 Not the direct quote but best I could find in pinch.

I've seen all of those clips and they are heavily edited to exclude Biden's longer point that he would ban new fracking on federal lands and eliminate subsidies for the fossil fuel industry.  The last clip is especially egregious because Biden ends his statement by framing it with respect to subsidies.  

I do think Biden has skirted around the issue during the primaries.  The funny thing is that every time Biden came close to the line his campaign would walk the comments back soon after.  

The reality is that it is not possible to ban any fossil fuel in the near to medium term.  Biden was correct in the debate when he said that both the technology and infastructure around renewable energies isn't ready yet.  He doesn't do a great job of communicating his agenda.

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The only big mistake I saw from Biden was Texas. Although there is a growing clean energy industry there. I don't think it was a good idea to bash oil right before the election.

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18 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Watched about 15 mins of it, even though I said I wasn't. Who is the lady moderator and where has she been my whole life? 

Kristen Welker from NBC

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44 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Watched about 15 mins of it, even though I said I wasn't. Who is the lady moderator and where has she been my whole life? 

Fucking hell! You’ve definitely got a type haven’t you? 😂

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On 10/21/2020 at 2:30 PM, soon said:

50 is also a terrible businessman whose faced bankruptcy. He likely finds a kindred spirit in Trump.

There's types of bankruptcy.  Fif' (and indeed Trump) were never bankrupt in the 'I'm penniless' sense.  Its a bankruptcy in the sense where courts give you time to organize your finances in an effort to assist you in putting together a payment arrangement for a creditor or creditors.  Like take a little from here for there, remortgage something etc etc...and all you have to do is declare some dummy finances to make a person look like you're worse off than you are, Fif' has stacks of fuckin' cash as does Trump, they ain't calling up Mum to see if they can get their old room back :lol:

I don't hold it against Fif' for voting for whoever it is that'll best serve his interests, coming from where he did and to make the money he has to afford himself a certain lifestyle why would he not want to hold onto it?  I'm all for the socialist approach to life, I truly am, but I don't necessarily think that if someone DOESN'T feel that way that that makes them a dick (not saying you do, just talking generally here). 

I can kinda understand rich people not wanting to pay more too, it could be considered to be like a penalty for doing well in life or rather working hard.  Which isn't to say poor people don't work hard but look, a guy works his whole life, from the bottom up, goes from zero to having, I dunno, a couple of mil by the time he's 60, to then have to pay a large chunk of that away...not to mention like almost half of it goes in inheritance tax if he happens to fall off the perch and leave it to his kids.  I mean that money has already been taxed right, Inland Revenue have already had their chunk out of that again...but if you happen to die then they're entitled to nearly have of it, they kinda get you coming and going, don't they? 

I can see why you're 50 Cents and Mick Jaggers do all kindsa fiddley shit to hold onto their money.  Take someone like Mick for instance, can you imagine the amount of work that has gone into amassing his fortune?  I mean you can say what you like about overpaid rock stars but can you imagine the fuckin' work?  From his teens all the way to now, the guy is 70 odd and still grafting, then to have to give great hunks of that away to the government, I've kinda dossed my way through life a bit of I'm honest.  I mean don't get me wrong, I've grafted and that but I'd be lying if I said I'd been 110% motivated career minded and using every oppertunity for self betterment to its full extent, a lot of the time I've just kinda drifted, still am to a point.  Now for me to pass judgement on people that have fuckin' really put the pedal to the floor and then earned what they've earned, for me to say I'm in a position to judge how they should feel about the fruits of a lifetimes work, I don't think I have that right.

I'd like to think that if I was in their position that I'd be like, alright, fair dues, take what you gotta take for the greater good and that...but thats easy for me to say sitting here, having lived the life I've lived.

 

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58 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Fucking hell! You’ve definitely got a type haven’t you? 😂

Middle aged immigrant birds in suits with a sort of dominatrixey air about em? :lol:  Dies' would've been great in British India eh, sitting there on the veranda, one leg crossed over the other as the listless punkawallah moves the great fan back and forth, peering out from under his safari hat at a field full of hardworking peasants girls going 'hmmm, yes, that one.  Third from the left.  Have her washed and sent to my quarters in one of Margarets dresses'.

I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU TO MEET GREAT WHITE QUEEN IN IN-GER-LAND.  WAY ACROSS MIGHTY BLUE OCEAN.  WE SHALL LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF NEW-CASTLE.  I SHALL TEACH YOU THE WAYS OF THE GORA SAAB.

:lol:

 

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Just watched the debate. Both did better than last time. Trump was winning the first half but Biden won the second and I think overall. Still think Trump will win the election.

The moderator was much better than the retard they had last time.

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3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

There's types of bankruptcy.  Fif' (and indeed Trump) were never bankrupt in the 'I'm penniless' sense.  Its a bankruptcy in the sense where courts give you time to organize your finances in an effort to assist you in putting together a payment arrangement for a creditor or creditors.  Like take a little from here for there, remortgage something etc etc...and all you have to do is declare some dummy finances to make a person look like you're worse off than you are, Fif' has stacks of fuckin' cash as does Trump, they ain't calling up Mum to see if they can get their old room back :lol:

I don't hold it against Fif' for voting for whoever it is that'll best serve his interests, coming from where he did and to make the money he has to afford himself a certain lifestyle why would he not want to hold onto it?  I'm all for the socialist approach to life, I truly am, but I don't necessarily think that if someone DOESN'T feel that way that that makes them a dick (not saying you do, just talking generally here). 

I can kinda understand rich people not wanting to pay more too, it could be considered to be like a penalty for doing well in life or rather working hard.  Which isn't to say poor people don't work hard but look, a guy works his whole life, from the bottom up, goes from zero to having, I dunno, a couple of mil by the time he's 60, to then have to pay a large chunk of that away...not to mention like almost half of it goes in inheritance tax if he happens to fall off the perch and leave it to his kids.  I mean that money has already been taxed right, Inland Revenue have already had their chunk out of that again...but if you happen to die then they're entitled to nearly have of it, they kinda get you coming and going, don't they? 

I can see why you're 50 Cents and Mick Jaggers do all kindsa fiddley shit to hold onto their money.  Take someone like Mick for instance, can you imagine the amount of work that has gone into amassing his fortune?  I mean you can say what you like about overpaid rock stars but can you imagine the fuckin' work?  From his teens all the way to now, the guy is 70 odd and still grafting, then to have to give great hunks of that away to the government, I've kinda dossed my way through life a bit of I'm honest.  I mean don't get me wrong, I've grafted and that but I'd be lying if I said I'd been 110% motivated career minded and using every oppertunity for self betterment to its full extent, a lot of the time I've just kinda drifted, still am to a point.  Now for me to pass judgement on people that have fuckin' really put the pedal to the floor and then earned what they've earned, for me to say I'm in a position to judge how they should feel about the fruits of a lifetimes work, I don't think I have that right.

I'd like to think that if I was in their position that I'd be like, alright, fair dues, take what you gotta take for the greater good and that...but thats easy for me to say sitting here, having lived the life I've lived.

 

Id be remiss to not mention that youve taken a lot from when I said 50 likely finds a kindred spirit in Trump. But I like it :headbang:

Thing is, Trump prolly was in his old room at mommies when his step father handed him the cheque :lol:. And I wouldnt agree hes been working hard since then. Making more money than one could ever spend isnt something one experiences as work. It aint labour, its a passion and a mode of living. Even as POTUS hes at Mara Lago a lot.

I wouldnt agree that the current tax code in US lowers the quality of life of the wealthy. Many of whom fight to not pay taxes only to turn around and make a big splash about donating money. These peoples arguments against taxes amount to a personality disorder, not a policy position! :lol: (as an aside, Dre's ex wifes allimony demand included like $100 000 per month for philanthropy!!)

See you come from a place that had rebels avoid taxes, like the Stones moving to France. Then theres Canada where our rebels did things like found universal health care and metis land rights. So maybe we are coming to this from a very different place.

Here businesses only have to pay taxes if they hit a certain threshold of revenue. At least here, everyone working from the bottom up gets that tax break when they actually need it. And then they pay taxes when they can. I see it as being that simple.

And if vice taxes on pollution proved effective Id be for it too. Things like vice taxes on frozen treats. All the way up to additional vice taxes on private jets and their fuel.

I believe youd happily pay, Len. Because if you were in that position for reals youd be thinking about the equity stake that the airports, roads and hospitals played in your accumulation of wealth. Trumps cost saving measures included tossing Obombers pandemic plan. No way you'd okay those decisions! Because, hate it or love it, you are smarter than 50 and Trump.

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1 hour ago, Swampfox said:

 

Taken out of context?  

Yes and No

 

Facts First: It's false that Biden never said he opposed fracking. In two Democratic primary debates, Biden made confusing remarks over fracking that his campaign had to clarify. In 2019, Biden said "we would make sure it's eliminated" when asked about the future of coal and fracking; in 2020 he said he opposed "new fracking." Biden's written plan, conversely, never included a full ban on fracking or even on new fracking. Rather, it proposes "banning new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters" -- not ending all new fracking anywhere or ending all existing fracking on public lands and waters.

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I think trump will win by only narrowly holding on to the midwest states.

Other states he picked up in 2016 will go blue. 

If he wins would he contest the next election?. I think he would move on citing health reasons.

 

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3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Just watched the debate. Both did better than last time. Trump was winning the first half but Biden won the second and I think overall. Still think Trump will win the election.

The moderator was much better than the retard they had last time.

I felt it went the other way.  Biden started out strong but faded the second half.  His best areas were at the beginning of the debate on covid and healthcare.

Both candidates did poorly on the issues of race.  It's sad that discussion of black americans almost always gets framed around the issue of criminality. 

On the issue of fracking and oil/gas, I know conservatives and Republicans want to believe that this will somehow hand Pennsylvania to Trump.  But the reality is there's really no oil in Pennsylvania, and fracking is actually opposed by a (slim) majority of people living in the state.  The western part of Pennsylvania is very pro natural gas, but those voters were going to vote for Trump anyway.  Trump likely helped himself mobilize some of these voters who might have helped himself, I guess there's that.  But it's a caricature of the state to believe that a candidate needs to be in love with fracking to win.  The current Democratic Governor Tom Wolf ran on a green-energy platform that called for the state to move away from fracking.

I honestly didn't think the moderator did a great job.  She let Trump continue to walk all over her, especially at the end of each statement.  There were several times she would let Trump change the topic, press Biden, and then force Biden to answer.  She gets points because Trump chose to adhere more to the rules because he was coached to do so.  I didn't see her do anything all that different from the previous two moderators.  

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3 hours ago, Swampfox said:

 

Taken out of context?  

A lot of it, yes to a certain degree.

It depends on the time frame you're talking about.  Biden was clear in his answer last night that the US needs to move off of fossil fuels by 2050.  So in that sense Trump is right that Biden has been in favour of banning fossil fuels.  But Biden has been clear that any ban would be phased in over the next thirty years, not during his Presidency.  

Unfortunately for Biden he's never articulated this fact well.  He stumbles over his policy that makes it easy for people like Trump to take him out of context. 

As I said in a post from last night, many of those clips are edited to exclude Biden's longer point.  

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9 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-sudan-agree-to-normalize-ties-in-u-s-brokered-deal-11603469178

Amazing how Trump is brokering deal after deal for peace and stability in the Middle East.  

Amazing how easy it is to broker a peace deal between two parties who were never at war in the first place. :lol: 

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I thought Trump "won" the debate, but not in any meaningful sense. I think Trump presented the best version of himself (still terrible), woefully ignorant, not fact-oriented, but sharp and appearing genuine, while Biden showed more of his flaws. His lack of energy combined with his stutter and lack of ability to speak to much substance with regards to policy all come together to make him look...like a dumb guy, honestly. He also recited cheesy lines from past debates and appearances several times, one of which was a truly cringeworthy change-of-subject in which he looked into the camera and started yammering about "It's not about his family or my family...it's about YOUR family!" (this has been a politician line for decades) followed by strange ramblings that families are at the dinner table deciding whether they can...pay the power bill or buy a new tire? Something like that? Trump killed him for that, calling him out for doing a "typical politician" thing.

There's areas in which Biden should be KILLING Trump but isn't. He just doesn't have the ability. It's sad that this is our guy. I want an intelligent president.

Moderator was fantastic in choosing when to change topics, when to allow counterpoints, how much time to allot to them, and was fair in the balance of tough questions. You could say she fell short on "pushing" the candidates when they would switch the subject or not answer it earnestly, but some might argue it's better for the moderator to not take that role. It would be cool if there was some sort of fact checking measure within debates, but if you leave it up to the moderator, you're going to get serious political bias almost every time. I think her style was just very welcome after Chris Wallace failed so badly.

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This website further demonstrates how bad Trump's chances are. If you give Trump EVERY state he is slightly favored to win (not very likely), and then give him EVERY STATE that Biden is "slightly favored to win" (very unlikely), he still loses.

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1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said:

Alright my ballot is in. Voted Biden.

I wish once you voted you were opted out of having to see any more political ads or have your mailbox stuffed with garbage :lol:

Hooray! You voted for the losing side. Now congratulate yourself.

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