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34 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Hooray! You voted for the losing side. Now congratulate yourself.

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Based on the latest debate, Trump's and Biden's rallies, Trump wins easily with more electoral votes than in 2016 against Hillary Clinton. 

But a lot can happen in two weeks. It's crazy to think that the election will happen in two weeks.

Good luck for both parties and let's hope there's a clear winner on election night.

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Trump kinda-sorta behaved himself at debate. AND its been over a week since a MAGA strolled up to someone holding a gun and pepper-sprayed them. Credit where credit is due MAGAs :lol:

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19 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Based on the latest debate, Trump's and Biden's rallies, Trump wins easily with more electoral votes than in 2016 against Hillary Clinton. 

But a lot can happen in two weeks. It's crazy to think that the election will happen in two weeks.

Good luck for both parties and let's hope there's a clear winner on election night.

Trump needed a big win last night and at best he scraped a draw. End of the day he needed to find a way to convince undecided voters (of which there are very few) and nothing that happened last night will change that. 

Not sure how attendance at his Klan rallies have any bearing on things given that not a single attendee would have voted Biden anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Trump needed a big win last night and at best he scraped a draw.

A draw. :lol:

Biden proved last night he's incapable of being POTUS, he's probably the weakest candidate we've seen in a long time. He'll lock down the entire country, raise taxes, and destroy the U.S. energy industry, he ran off to the extreme left. 

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5 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

A draw. :lol:

Biden proved last night he's incapable of being POTUS, 

Biden proved he's incapable of being POTUS in a debate? Trump's proved he's incapable of being POTUS by being utterly fucking incapable of being POTUS while actually being POTUS for nearly 4 years. :lol: 

Have a fucking word with yourself soft lad for fuck sake! :lol: 

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4 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

A draw. :lol:

Biden proved last night he's incapable of being POTUS, he's probably the weakest candidate we've seen in a long time. He'll lock down the entire country, raise taxes, and destroy the U.S. energy industry, he ran off to the extreme left. 

Comrade Biden is going to let the climate crisis continue. But dont worry, liberals dont understand climate science or leftism anymore than the right. So by all means, keep saying ridiculous things to one another until the people start to wonder about a sane alternative.

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So a couple weeks ago @downzy was nice enough to hook me up with this link to track my vote due to my concerns about my ballot being counted.  New Jersey is run my a liberal governor as some of you may know.  My wife and I both dropped our Trump votes at the ballot box in town a week ago so I decided to check the status.  The page is now changed slightly to inform voters of a few things that weren't there before as far as I can remember a couple weeks ago.  The one change that stands out the most is that the status won't change to "accepted" or "declined" until November 20th.  What's the point?  By then it's too late to fix the problem.  What now Downzy?  I wanted to pull that lever on election day for exactly this reason.  I would have known my vote counted but now I won't know until November 20th?  Tell me if I'm missing something here.  From what I've heard thousands of votes have already been rejected because of signature verification issues.

https://www.nj.gov/state/elections/vote-track-my-ballot.shtml

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It didn't really tell us much. Biden looks as old as the hills. Trump was the same (anti-politicians') bluster. Did Trump say ''I know a lot about wind'' incidentally haha?

16 hours ago, Dazey said:

Fucking hell! You’ve definitely got a type haven’t you? 😂

 

15 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Middle aged immigrant birds in suits with a sort of dominatrixey air about em? :lol:  Dies' would've been great in British India eh, sitting there on the veranda, one leg crossed over the other as the listless punkawallah moves the great fan back and forth, peering out from under his safari hat at a field full of hardworking peasants girls going 'hmmm, yes, that one.  Third from the left.  Have her washed and sent to my quarters in one of Margarets dresses'.

I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU TO MEET GREAT WHITE QUEEN IN IN-GER-LAND.  WAY ACROSS MIGHTY BLUE OCEAN.  WE SHALL LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF NEW-CASTLE.  I SHALL TEACH YOU THE WAYS OF THE GORA SAAB.

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Are you trying to say I'm an upmarket Snakepit?

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12 hours ago, downzy said:

I felt it went the other way.  Biden started out strong but faded the second half.  His best areas were at the beginning of the debate on covid and healthcare.

Both candidates did poorly on the issues of race.  It's sad that discussion of black americans almost always gets framed around the issue of criminality. 

On the issue of fracking and oil/gas, I know conservatives and Republicans want to believe that this will somehow hand Pennsylvania to Trump.  But the reality is there's really no oil in Pennsylvania, and fracking is actually opposed by a (slim) majority of people living in the state.  The western part of Pennsylvania is very pro natural gas, but those voters were going to vote for Trump anyway.  Trump likely helped himself mobilize some of these voters who might have helped himself, I guess there's that.  But it's a caricature of the state to believe that a candidate needs to be in love with fracking to win.  The current Democratic Governor Tom Wolf ran on a green-energy platform that called for the state to move away from fracking.

I honestly didn't think the moderator did a great job.  She let Trump continue to walk all over her, especially at the end of each statement.  There were several times she would let Trump change the topic, press Biden, and then force Biden to answer.  She gets points because Trump chose to adhere more to the rules because he was coached to do so.  I didn't see her do anything all that different from the previous two moderators.  

You're just contradicting me! :lol:

I was surprised Biden said outright they need to completely phase out oil. Obviously that's the future I was just suprised he said it clearly but talk is cheap.

But yeah Regarding the moderator, you're right, she just did much better than that complete dipshit from Fox is what I'm saying. He was mindblowingly bad.

 

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Democrats have built up huge early vote advantages in key swing states. With cases spiking, Republicans are essentially banking on making up the large vote leads built by Democrats to one day of voting. It’s possible, but my gut (and hope) says good luck with that...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/early-voting-numbers-swing-states-431363

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4 hours ago, Swampfox said:

So a couple weeks ago @downzy was nice enough to hook me up with this link to track my vote due to my concerns about my ballot being counted.  New Jersey is run my a liberal governor as some of you may know.  My wife and I both dropped our Trump votes at the ballot box in town a week ago so I decided to check the status.  The page is now changed slightly to inform voters of a few things that weren't there before as far as I can remember a couple weeks ago.  The one change that stands out the most is that the status won't change to "accepted" or "declined" until November 20th.  What's the point?  By then it's too late to fix the problem.  What now Downzy?  I wanted to pull that lever on election day for exactly this reason.  I would have known my vote counted but now I won't know until November 20th?  Tell me if I'm missing something here.  From what I've heard thousands of votes have already been rejected because of signature verification issues.

https://www.nj.gov/state/elections/vote-track-my-ballot.shtml

“Through now, and as ballots continue to come in, the first thing officials do is scan them into the state database to log that the ballot has been received. This prevents anyone from casting two ballots and allows a voter to use the state’s Track My Ballot tool. Because of what the site is calling “historically high volume,” it could take one to two weeks for a ballot to be logged into the system, depending on the number of people doing this work in a given county and the number of ballots that county is receiving. Once it is logged, a ballot will only be marked as “received,” as opposed to “accepted” or “rejected,” until the count is certified, likely Nov. 20, according to the state website.

Officials remove the inner envelope from the outer one and check that signatures match. If there is a question over the validity of the information or signature on an envelope, it is set aside for the board of elections to consider. Because of the new law, boards are required to meet four times a week through this election process to deal with questionable votes. The voter of any ballot that the board decides to question is being sent within 24 hours of that decision a “cure” form that the voter needs to complete and return attesting that he did submit the ballot.

 

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10 hours ago, Jakey Styley said:

but sharp and appearing genuine, while Biden showed more of his flaws. His lack of energy combined with his stutter and lack of ability to speak to much substance with regards to policy all come together to make him look...like a dumb guy, honestly.

I do agree that if the debate were solely judged on the basis of who was the sharper speaker and rhetorical sparer, then Trump had the better performance.  I think for someone like you, myself, and others who follow the weeds of politics it appeared Trump was the sharper debater in the back and forth.  But I really don't think average voters, many who don't pay attention to politics most of the time, judge or consume a debate in the same way you and I do.

In the 90 minutes of the debate, i didn't hear a single reason put forward by Trump for what his second term agenda would be.  What did you or the average listener learn from that debate that tells you what Trump's priorities are in a second term?  How does Trump plan on achieving that agenda?  At no point in the debate did Trump make even the slightest suggestion on how he was going to turn things around with respect to the pandemic other than promising that a vaccine was around the corner.  Whether you agree with Biden's plan or bullet points offered, at least it was something that the average voter could listen to and understand.  

11 hours ago, Jakey Styley said:

"It's not about his family or my family...it's about YOUR family!" (this has been a politician line for decades) followed by strange ramblings that families are at the dinner table deciding whether they can...pay the power bill or buy a new tire? Something like that? Trump killed him for that, calling him out for doing a "typical politician" thing.

I would agree with that had Trump had more to offer other than "but Hunter Biden's emails!!!"   How does spending most of the night talking about what Hunter Biden did reflect on what Trump's second term is going to be about?  I get that Trump's mission here is to bring down Biden's favourables so he can maybe achieve the same outcome he saw in 2016 with Clinton in terms of winning over voters who hate both candidates.  But if you're a voter who is at home worried about your job (or the lack of one), or your kids going to school, or what the government plans on doing about the increasing covid case and death count, what solace do you find in Trump's stammering on about Biden's son?  It wouldn't be a bad play if things were like they were in 2016, but this notion that Trump is going to move anyone that doesn't live in the Fox News bubble with this horseshit is crazy to me.  You can say what Biden said was a canned and repeated line, but in the context of what millions are going through right now, it's better than whatever swampy conspiracy theory Trump had to offer.

Even if we wanted to give Trump the win for this debate (which doesn't align to post-debate polls), how much do you think this debate will affect the outcome?  Biden's flub on oil might take Texas off the map, but with polling showing Biden well ahead, Trump needed a better performance (or a complete self-annihilation) for the debate to have any real significant consequence.  I really don't see this debate moving the needle all that much, save for maybe allowing some soft-Trump supporters the psychological allowances to vote for someone who could pass for a human being for 90 minutes.  One wonders where things would be now if Trump hadn't self-immolate in the first debate and then contracted covid.  Maybe three debate performances like this one by Trump could have made a difference.   

11 hours ago, Jakey Styley said:

There's areas in which Biden should be KILLING Trump but isn't. He just doesn't have the ability. It's sad that this is our guy. I want an intelligent president.

I do agree that Biden failed to throw some massive haymakers when given the opportunity.  It was political malpractice not to have a canned line teed up when Trump said that the country is "rounding the corner" on the virus (I read somewhere that Trump has said this 38 times since February).  How the fuck Biden and his team didn't have a decent response to this is beyond me (off the top of my head, something like "rounding the corner?  How many corners are we going to round?  We're not rounding the corner; if anything Trump's failed leadership has put us in a corner.")  The same with Trump's repeated hits on Biden's 47 years in politics.  Rather than just stand there, Biden could have given the audience a list of accomplishments (there are many) and then asked how someone like Donald Trump, who has done nothing on healthcare, infrastructure, and immigration can sit there and lecture anyone on getting stuff done.  

It is without question that Biden has lost a gear due to age.  I think against anyone else Biden's mental acuity would be an issue.  But Trump is just so heinous and indecent that Biden's basic humanity and decency helps overcome any shortfalls in the sharpness factor.  That said, Biden did have a few good digs.  I'm not sure if it was rehearsed but when Trump said that people are learning to live with the virus, Biden's counter with people are learning to die from it was on the mark.

11 hours ago, Jakey Styley said:

Moderator was fantastic in choosing when to change topics, when to allow counterpoints, how much time to allot to them, and was fair in the balance of tough questions. You could say she fell short on "pushing" the candidates when they would switch the subject or not answer it earnestly, but some might argue it's better for the moderator to not take that role. It would be cool if there was some sort of fact checking measure within debates, but if you leave it up to the moderator, you're going to get serious political bias almost every time. I think her style was just very welcome after Chris Wallace failed so badly.

Again, i just don't see it that way.  Welker did fine, but let's not pretend that she managed the same Trump that Wallace had to contend with.  Trump was just a completely different human being Thursday night compared to the first debate.  It felt to me that Welker was more in control of the debate because Trump allowed it.   

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20 hours ago, soon said:

Id be remiss to not mention that youve taken a lot from when I said 50 likely finds a kindred spirit in Trump. But I like it :headbang:

Thing is, Trump prolly was in his old room at mommies when his step father handed him the cheque :lol:. And I wouldnt agree hes been working hard since then. Making more money than one could ever spend isnt something one experiences as work. It aint labour, its a passion and a mode of living. Even as POTUS hes at Mara Lago a lot.

I wouldnt agree that the current tax code in US lowers the quality of life of the wealthy. Many of whom fight to not pay taxes only to turn around and make a big splash about donating money. These peoples arguments against taxes amount to a personality disorder, not a policy position! :lol: (as an aside, Dre's ex wifes allimony demand included like $100 000 per month for philanthropy!!)

See you come from a place that had rebels avoid taxes, like the Stones moving to France. Then theres Canada where our rebels did things like found universal health care and metis land rights. So maybe we are coming to this from a very different place.

Here businesses only have to pay taxes if they hit a certain threshold of revenue. At least here, everyone working from the bottom up gets that tax break when they actually need it. And then they pay taxes when they can. I see it as being that simple.

And if vice taxes on pollution proved effective Id be for it too. Things like vice taxes on frozen treats. All the way up to additional vice taxes on private jets and their fuel.

I believe youd happily pay, Len. Because if you were in that position for reals youd be thinking about the equity stake that the airports, roads and hospitals played in your accumulation of wealth. Trumps cost saving measures included tossing Obombers pandemic plan. No way you'd okay those decisions! Because, hate it or love it, you are smarter than 50 and Trump.

I just think that like, with the human race, when you boil it down, in life there are two great equalizers, argument settlers.  Violence and money.  Money, to quote Henry Rollins, will cool motherfuckers out everytime.  Give a man human rights in his left hand and 'x' amount of stupid money in the other 99.99999% of the human race will go for the money every time.  Take all the ideals in the world, stick em in a mans lap and let the bidding commence and I guarantee you, for the vast majority of people out there, their fuckin' lip will start quivering when the bids reach a certain point. 

Same with violence, whether its kids in the schoolyard or posturing nuclear powers on the world stage, there's come a point where 'I'm about to knock you the fuck out' becomes the great equalizer.  You can be as right as you want but if the other person or party can fuck you up then it kinda reset things.

And thats what it is with rich people, all people in fact, most every revolution on earth at a certain point, money made itself known and turned the dial way down on things. 

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Are you trying to say I'm an upmarket Snakepit?

Exactly :lol:  The crumpet is a bit classier and lighter skinned but its basically the same thing.  Where he wants for a fat black bird to sit on his face, you want a domineering well educated looking South Asian bird to tell you off and make you write lines on the blackboard while she noshes you off :lol:

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4 hours ago, downzy said:

“Through now, and as ballots continue to come in, the first thing officials do is scan them into the state database to log that the ballot has been received. This prevents anyone from casting two ballots and allows a voter to use the state’s Track My Ballot tool. Because of what the site is calling “historically high volume,” it could take one to two weeks for a ballot to be logged into the system, depending on the number of people doing this work in a given county and the number of ballots that county is receiving. Once it is logged, a ballot will only be marked as “received,” as opposed to “accepted” or “rejected,” until the count is certified, likely Nov. 20, according to the state website.

Officials remove the inner envelope from the outer one and check that signatures match. If there is a question over the validity of the information or signature on an envelope, it is set aside for the board of elections to consider. Because of the new law, boards are required to meet four times a week through this election process to deal with questionable votes. The voter of any ballot that the board decides to question is being sent within 24 hours of that decision a “cure” form that the voter needs to complete and return attesting that he did submit the ballot.

 

So if the cure form doesn't get to me in time to complete and return before November 3rd the vote won't count.  This is a cluster fuck.  I'll let you know on November 20th if my vote counted.  Maybe they'll know who won the election by then.

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5 hours ago, downzy said:

Democrats have built up huge early vote advantages in key swing states. With cases spiking, Republicans are essentially banking on making up the large vote leads built by Democrats to one day of voting. It’s possible, but my gut (and hope) says good luck with that...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/early-voting-numbers-swing-states-431363

Am I the only one worried by this? How is it okay for this data to be released before the election?

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1 minute ago, Angelica said:

Yeah, I am perturbed as well tbh

Isn’t the whole point that we don’t know how many votes are cast before Election Day lest you actively encourage and discourage voter turnout? They’re basically saying to Democrats “you’ve got this in the bag” and telling Republicans that they’re in a hole and need to increase turnout. 

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Just now, Dazey said:

Isn’t the whole point that we don’t know how many votes are cast before Election Day lest you actively encourage and discourage voter turnout? They’re basically saying to Democrats “you’ve got this in the bag” and telling Republicans that they’re in a hole and need to increase turnout. 

Exactly!! Though...I’m still assuming Agent Orange will win so I guess it shouldn’t matter but I still don’t think I should have that info *shrug*

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One way or another its gonna be a hilairious outcome, if Trump loses it'll be funny seeing the Trump-ites hunkering down and boarding up their windows and reaching for the AR-15 in preparation for the fag revolution and if Biden loses there's gonna be some cracking 'liberals cry like bitches' memes doing the rounds :lol:

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7 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

One way or another its gonna be a hilairious outcome, if Trump loses it'll be funny seeing the Trump-ites hunkering down and boarding up their windows and reaching for the AR-15 in preparation for the fag revolution and if Biden loses there's gonna be some cracking 'liberals cry like bitches' memes doing the rounds :lol:

The Fag Revolution has been in effect for decades, all the ‘Trump-ites’ can do is clutch their pearls about it and embarrass themselves in this thread.

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