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53 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

It has nothing to do with my religion. I never said I was glad she was dead. I'm glad her wish went unfulfilled. I think we all could handle ourselves better online including yourself. Don't ya' think?

Call me shallow, but disrespectful people with disrespectful opinions don’t deserve respect back in kind...

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Well, at least Trump can count of Kavanaugh for one vote if he wants to steal the election.

How fucking insanely and transparently partisan and stupid...  Essentially votes shouldn’t be counted if states have not created a system by which all votes can’t be counted by midnight on election night.  What an absolute hack and piece of shit...

 

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3 hours ago, downzy said:

No, I feel compelled to correct factually untrue assertions. He was talking to George Lopez, hence not a huge issue if Biden references the guy he is speaking to mid sentence. 

He clearly wasn't however: ''four more years of George...''.

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5 hours ago, soon said:

When a SCOTUS dies, they are replaced by a process wherein the sitting Admin puts forward a candidate.

Why you had to embellish this simple fact by mocking someones apparent dying wish is beyond me.

He’s a cunt. It’s simple really. 

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9 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

He clearly wasn't however: ''four more years of George...''.

Based on what?  He was talking to George Lopez.  Have you never accidentally replaced the name of the person you're talking to with the person you're talking about? 

Moreover, it's really dumb to point out slips like this.  We could easily go tit-for-tat when it comes to mind slips.  If Biden was running against a competent non-senior who doesn't repeatedly confuse the name of a toothbrush with a missile then maybe it would be relevant.  But he's not.  Trump is just as bad as Biden when it comes to this stuff.  You're essentially pointing out a vulnerability that both candidates have.  

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13 hours ago, downzy said:

Agreed.

Stupidity laid bare:

 

The main point is that the vast majority of the ballots should be received and counted by election night in order to avoid the (probability) of the losing candidate crying, "rigged".  

For future elections the deadline to vote should be based off of postmark date...and should be postmarked at least 10 days prior to the election, imo.  That would be more than enough time for all the votes to be counted by election night, 

 

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Just now, downzy said:

Based on what?  He was talking to George Lopez.  Have you never accidentally replaced the name of the person you're talking to with the person you're talking about? 

Moreover, it's really dumb to point out slips like this.  We could easily go tit-for-tat when it comes to mind slips.  If Biden was running against a competent non-senior who doesn't repeatedly confuse the name of a toothbrush with a missile then maybe it would be relevant.  But he's not.  Trump is just as bad as Biden when it comes to this stuff.  You're essentially pointing out a vulnerability that both candidates have.  

No.

I don't care either way, but you are doing what hardcore Axl fans used to do, whereby they perform mental gymnastics to ''explain away'' everything and make sure everything is ''perfect''. Seems much easier to accept Biden is a bit old and a bit doddery.

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17 hours ago, soon said:

When a SCOTUS dies, they are replaced by a process wherein the sitting Admin puts forward a candidate.

Why you had to embellish this simple fact by mocking someones apparent dying wish is beyond me.

Your low key blood lust and the manner in which you tie it to "conservatism" is something that I find to be as immature as it is dangerous.

He is basically an American Nazi, apparently 

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35 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

No.

I don't care either way, but you are doing what hardcore Axl fans used to do, whereby they perform mental gymnastics to ''explain away'' everything and make sure everything is ''perfect''. Seems much easier to accept Biden is a bit old and a bit doddery.

How is it mental gymnastics to point out that Biden was talking to George Lopez and hence used the name George?

 

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Just now, downzy said:

How is it mental gymnastics to point out that Biden was talking to George Lopez and hence used the name George?

 

He wasn't though and I suspect, deep down, you know this. 

 

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1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

The main point is that the vast majority of the ballots should be received and counted by election night in order to avoid the (probability) of the losing candidate crying, "rigged".  

For future elections the deadline to vote should be based off of postmark date...and should be postmarked at least 10 days prior to the election, imo.  That would be more than enough time for all the votes to be counted by election night, 

 

Except there's no law that states ballots must be postmarked by ten days out, just like there is no law that states all post-marked ballots must be received by 8pm on election date.

The problem with Kavanaugh's argument is twofold.  First, the assumption that the validity of the election gets called into question because legal votes are counted after the election date is wrong.  It happens all the time.  Allowances are made for Americans living abroad and military personnel who are allowed votes to be counted after an election because of logistical issues.  Also, how is it not just as valid (if not more so) that the validity of an election outcome is questioned if legal ballets are not counted and included the tally?  Why should a vote be discounted or canceled because of arbitrary logistical issues?  Finally, as it relates to the logistics, votes are often counted well past the election date.  What's often given to Americans on election night are projections based current vote totals.  Rarely are all votes counted on election date.

The second major problem with Kavanaugh's argument is that it contradicts his own reasoning back in the 2000 recount that gave Bush the win.  At the time Kavanaugh, as part of Bush's legal team, argued that military votes should be allowed to be counted past Thanksgiving.  It would be one thing if Kavanaugh was on record with a consistent position on this matter.  But he isn't.  He's a partisan hack who wants to change the rules whenever it benefits his team.

Look, I don't have a problem with the decision if it were based solely on John Roberts reasoning.  His argument was based on where federal courts can intervene and where they can't.  It's why he went the other way with the Pennsylvania decision where Pennsylvania Republicans wanted the Supreme Court to toss a state Supreme Court ruling.  In the Wisconsin case it was the opposite, where a federal judge overruled a state court decision.  So at least in that area Roberts (regardless of the merits of the case), was consistent.  There is nothing consistent about Kavanaugh's position nor does it make any sense when you consider the merits to it.  

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7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

He wasn't though and I suspect, deep down, you know this. 

 

No, I don't. 

As someone who regularly mixes up people's names during discussion, I can't impart motive or meaning to a simple slip. 

If he wasn't talking to George Lopez then I would agree.  But you want this to be something so bad that you can't even acknowledge the possibility that Biden was referencing the person he was speaking to.  It's a troll (and pointless) argument and hence why it appeals to you.  

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Just now, downzy said:

No, I don't. 

As someone who regularly mixes up people's names during discussion, I can't impart motive or meaning to a simple slip. 

If he wasn't talking to George Lopez then I would agree.  But you want this to be something so bad that you can't even acknowledge the possibility that Biden was referencing the person he was speaking to.  It's a troll (and pointless) argument and hence why it appeals to you.  

Accepting your argument, then what are these ''four years of George (Lopez)''? Four more years of this interview perhaps?

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1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

The main point is that the vast majority of the ballots should be received and counted by election night in order to avoid the (probability) of the losing candidate crying, "rigged".  

For future elections the deadline to vote should be based off of postmark date...and should be postmarked at least 10 days prior to the election, imo.  That would be more than enough time for all the votes to be counted by election night, 

 

But this year there was a mess with the USPS. So for future elections let's make sure it doesn't happened again. 

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5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Accepting your argument, then what are these ''four years of George (Lopez)''? Four more years of this interview perhaps?

Who knows...  It looks to me like he was thinking about a different point he wanted to make before he finished his sentence and wanted to address something that Lopez had said.  I'm not arguing that Biden isn't as sharp as one would like from a presidential candidate.  But considering he's talking to George Lopez and says George instead of Trump, I think some allowances should be made for the slip. 

Biden has had way worse slips.  But so too has Trump.  

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12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Accepting your argument, then what are these ''four years of George (Lopez)''? Four more years of this interview perhaps?

Remember when you got all upset when Trump told people to inject bleach?

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Can't wait for the election to be over. Everyday Trump is at another rally and he doesn't even talk about the corona virus that has killed so many Americans as well as the whole world. I wish he was right in his thinking this virus would just go away, but it won't.

So many politicians are running down here in Texas. All the commercials talk about how the other guy sucks. How do I know who's right and who's wrong and what the hell is going on? lol

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20 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Can't wait for the election to be over. Everyday Trump is at another rally and he doesn't even talk about the corona virus that has killed so many Americans as well as the whole world. I wish he was right in his thinking this virus would just go away, but it won't.

So many politicians are running down here in Texas. All the commercials talk about how the other guy sucks. How do I know who's right and who's wrong and what the hell is going on? lol

Forget t.v. advertising just look at your own situation. Look around you. Only you know if you, your friends, relatives, etc are better off today than  4 years ago

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Democrats and Democratic-affiliated groups have definitely stepped up their game in 2020 over 2016 in terms of their marketing, messaging, and appeal to voters. 

It’s been interesting to see how it’s the Democrats that have a far more disciplined approach to messaging this election cycle.  In 2016 the Clinton campaign never really settled on one message (other than the terrible “I’m with Her”) and resorted to jumping on any gaffe by Trump (especially in the home stretch). This time around it’s Trump and his campaign that have vacillated  from one message to another (Biden’s a bumbling oldster suffering from dementia vs Biden’s a socialist wolf in sheep’s clothing; Biden is soft on crime and wants to defund police vs Biden is solely responsible for mass incarceration; Biden has done nothing in his 47 years in Washington vs Obamacare is a disaster; and oh, his son has emails we want you to look at - but we won’t let you have the actual emails).  

Trump’s messaging has been all over the place in a way that’s been ineffective at best and contradictory and self-defeating at worst.

You might watch an ad like the one below and find it hokey and contrived. And maybe it is. But’s effective because it does several things right.  First, it ties into Biden’s overall messaging about decency and honesty.  It acknowledges that people are suffering; that there is a problem - something Trump refuses to do. It doesn’t have to mention that Trump refuses to do the same. Second, it still speaks to the best of how Americans see themselves; it’s still a positive message.  It asks Michigan to step up for the country; a message of honour, duty, and responsibility. Finally, it acknowledges the mantra that all politics is local and speaks to the soul of who and what Michigan is, a critical swing state. You may disagree with the message, but its effectiveness at speaking to those who aren’t always tuned in or see politics as a bloodsport is unquestionable.  

Democrats have ran a much better campaign this time around. Biden might not be the best or ideal candidate in the absolute, but if this election is a referendum on the incumbent, running a nominee like Biden with a campaign founded on values like decency, honesty, and compassion isn’t a bad way to go.  If Biden loses it’s not from running a bad campaign.

 

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@DieselDaisy 

To be fair, maybe he was just talking about a vaccine...

Or maybe be thinks the word vanquish means something else.

Funny enough, this evening I called my cat my daughter’s name after she gave me something to give to him.

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To a certain extent Wasserman is correct. Early voting is not a window or preview as to who will win any given state. That said, it is interesting and perhaps noteworthy to see which candidate is mobilizing their electorate.   In Pennsylvania, the Democrats have built up a 900k vote lead if you don’t consider independents (which polling showing independents favouring Biden).  Democrats are also returning their ballots at a higher percentage than Republicans. Again, not proof that Biden will win Pennsylvania, but not a bad start. 

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html

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Just now, downzy said:

@DieselDaisy 

To be fair, maybe he was just talking about a vaccine...

Or maybe be thinks the word vanquish means something else.

Funny enough, this evening I called my cat my daughter’s name after she gave me something to give to him.

Why am I looking at this?

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Just now, Dazey said:

Remember when you got all upset when Trump told people to inject bleach?

Why are you discussing Trump in relation to Biden's gaffe? Trump being an idiot doesn't make Biden less doddery.

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