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6 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Everyone on the other side of the fence are just as divided as they were in 2016. 

The Democratic Party has always been a more diverse and fractured party than Republicans.  It has to balance the interests of hardcore progressives with liberals and moderates.  

I would steadfastly disagree that Democrats are less unified this year than they were in 2016, and perhaps less so than they have ever been save for 2008.

Moreover, you have to look at the other side of the coin.  Trump is one of the most divisive personalities in American politics since likely Governor George Wallace.  There is no middle ground with Trump.  Most love or hate him.  He makes almost zero effort to appeal to anyone outside of his loyal base.  He's firmly of the belief that he does enough to gin up enthusiasm amongst his base he can overcome the majority of Americans who won't vote for him or can't stand him.  In 2016 this proved to be correct.  We'll see if that happens to be the case in 2020.  

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1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said:

I probably once thought this myself but Biden doesn't seem to be nearly as hated and that is pretty big. Plus this election is more about a referendum on Trump than anything.

Quite frankly, Hillary had tremendous momentum. She was destined to be the first woman president after the first black president. She was qualified and smart (not joking). There are many reasons why she was defeated but one of the biggest reasons is the way she tried to hide her bad and failing health, that put her in great jeopardy. People thought she was medically unfit, she didn't have the 'stamina'. Whereas Biden looks like he belongs in an old folks home, certainly not in the White House. The more he speaks publicly the more people realize he is medically but also mentally unfit. He is a 78 years old man. He has absolutely no momentum. Everyone have seen his creepy videos. But like I said before he's the only moderate candidate the democrats have right now. He's not as hated by the far-left because he is a trojan horse for socialism (everybody knows he won't last a full term if he wins) whereas Hillary wanted to do things her way.

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2 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

I probably once thought this myself but Biden doesn't seem to be nearly as hated and that is pretty big. Plus this election is more about a referendum on Trump than anything.

True.  Re-election of a sitting President is almost always a referendum on that President. 

Biden is just a stand-in for those who give Trump a failing grade.  His polling has proven far less volatile than Clinton's 4 years ago.  

2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

There are many reasons why she was defeated but one of the biggest reasons is the way she tried to hide her bad and failing health, that put her in great jeopardy.

Sorry, you were saying?

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-walter-reed-visit-mystery_n_5e65050fc5b60557280682ca?ri18n=true

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2 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

I probably once thought this myself but Biden doesn't seem to be nearly as hated and that is pretty big. Plus this election is more about a referendum on Trump than anything.

He's not as hated, but he's just as divisive. Just to be clear, I'm not rooting for Trump to win, I just think he's going to. 

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18 minutes ago, downzy said:

The Democratic Party has always been a more diverse and fractured party than Republicans.  It has to balance the interests of hardcore progressives with liberals and moderates.  

I would steadfastly disagree that Democrats are less unified this year than they were in 2016, and perhaps less so than they have ever been save for 2008.

Moreover, you have to look at the other side of the coin.  Trump is one of the most divisive personalities in American politics since likely Governor George Wallace.  There is no middle ground with Trump.  Most love or hate him.  He makes almost zero effort to appeal to anyone outside of his loyal base.  He's firmly of the belief that he does enough to gin up enthusiasm amongst his base he can overcome the majority of Americans who won't vote for him or can't stand him.  In 2016 this proved to be correct.  We'll see if that happens to be the case in 2020.  

What I'm seeing in my limited view is an "anyone but Trump" POV. That's unifying IMO and I really think it's going to end up working in Trumps favor. 

I think a lot of people have sound reasons to not like like or doubt Biden. I believe that's going to lead to a whole lot of people voting third party, which again, will work in Trumps favor because his followers are still unified and will turn out in the same numbers. 

In short, I don't think that "anyone but Trump" is a unifying statement but it's the one I hear most often from the left and democrats in general. 

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3 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Never a day without reading the huffington post am I right?

(comments section)

Amazingly Clinton has survived the past four years despite having a coughing fit. What a miracle!

Again, this is and was a nonsense argument deployed by those who won’t apply the same standards to Trump, who has exhibited similar or worse health concerns. 
 

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9 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I think a lot of people have sound reasons to not like like or doubt Biden. I believe that's going to lead to a whole lot of people voting third party, which again, will work in Trumps favor because his followers are still unified and will turn out in the same numbers

Maybe, but when we compare polling for third party this year versus in 2016 we see a huge difference.  Third party candidates were polling combined in the 5-10 percent range throughout most of 2016.  They ended up with a combined 6 percent of the vote, which is double the historical average of 3 percent.  

This year we’re seeing third party candidates are polling a combined 2-4 percent.  Forecasters expect the vote for third party candidates will revert back to the historical average. 

12 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

In short, I don't think that "anyone but Trump" is a unifying statement but it's the one I hear most often from the left and democrats in general. 

Normally I would agree. But with Trump he’s unliked by a majority of Americans that this might be enough. Many people who didn’t like Trump in 2016 but still voted for him did so because they hated Clinton. Interestingly enough, Trump crushed Clinton amongst people who didn’t like either candidate by a 17 point margin. This time around it’s reversed, with Biden holding a 29 point lead among the same group in 2020.

https://reason.com/2020/07/17/potential-key-to-the-2020-election-voters-who-cant-stand-both-trump-and-biden/

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59 minutes ago, downzy said:

 

Where in the Atlantic article does it make this claim?  

He says it in this interview...and he comes across as being genuinely disgusted about the comments, imo.   :shrugs:

 

 

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Trump claimed in his denial that he called Melania “at home” and expressed his frustration that he couldn’t attend the ceremony at the cemetery.

Why would he call Melania at home if she was in France with him at the time?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He says it in this interview...and he comes across as being genuinely disgusted about the comments, imo.   :shrugs:

 

 

Ah, now I see your point.

Doesn’t Trump strike you as someone who would say anything to get out of a jam?  A vehement denial (one that includes a made up alibi - see above) still doesn’t mean much considering this guy’s track record of telling the truth. 

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2 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

But like I said before he's the only moderate candidate the democrats have right now. He's not as hated by the far-left because he is a trojan horse for socialism

I wish your fantasy of the Democratic party were true. 

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Apparently Trump has banned diversity courses?

I'm ordering my red baseball cap as I type: I cannot tell you how many times I have had to sit through one of these tedious sermons in drivel, pc-jargon and ''David Brent speech''. Wish Boris had the balls to do similar here.

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5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Apparently Trump has banned diversity courses?

I'm ordering my red baseball cap as I type: I cannot tell you how many times I have had to sit through one of these tedious sermons in drivel, pc-jargon and ''David Brent speech''. Wish Boris had the balls to do similar here.

Not my (PC) President.  

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12 hours ago, RussTCB said:

He's not as hated, but he's just as divisive. Just to be clear, I'm not rooting for Trump to win, I just think he's going to. 

Could you please elaborate about Biden being a polarizing candidate? My definition of divisive are people like Sean Hannity, the now disgraced Jerry Falwell and Trump himself of course.

There is a group of Republicans called Lincoln Project. They support Biden. It is clear they don't find Biden divisive

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8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Apparently Trump has banned diversity courses?

I'm ordering my red baseball cap as I type: I cannot tell you how many times I have had to sit through one of these tedious sermons in drivel, pc-jargon and ''David Brent speech''. Wish Boris had the balls to do similar here.

Maybe you’re right. 

It is more than apparent that any racial sensitivity courses/training you might have received has failed miserably. 
 

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41 minutes ago, downzy said:

Maybe you’re right. 

It is more than apparent that any racial sensitivity courses/training you might have received has failed miserably. 
 

:awesomeface:

Never met anyone yet who doesn't believe they are all a load of utter nonsense, and I must have done around thirty of these things. 

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2 hours ago, Padme said:

Could you please elaborate about Biden being a polarizing candidate? My definition of divisive are people like Sean Hannity, the now disgraced Jerry Falwell and Trump himself of course.

There is a group of Republicans called Lincoln Project. They support Biden. It is clear they don't find Biden divisive

To be clear, I don't keep up on the news. When I say he's divisive I'm just going by what I see and hear among my friends or out in public when I overhear people talking. 

I've had friends tell me they don't want to vote for Trump but they don't want to vote for Biden either, so they're gonna vote for a third option. 

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It's fascinating to observe, towards the end one of the BLM people is annoyed that a patron is scared. BLM says "No ones going to hurt you, calm down" in a very annoyed tone. :lol:

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