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1 hour ago, downzy said:

 

The funny thing is an authoritarian would be more likely to implement some type of nationalized healthcare system than the quasi libertarian one we have now! For instance, in China 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance.

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12 hours ago, downzy said:

Again, just by comparing you’re assuming that these groups have similar experiences and histories in America.  They don’t. The model minority comparison is pointless unless you can demonstrate another minority who faced similar conditions as black Americans for as long as black Americans have.  It’s a pointless comparison for the sake of undermining the very real and prolonged racial bias towards black Americans.  

All my arguments have been nuanced and accounted for this. I literally said the asians who came to the US pre 65 didn't have it as rough as black slaves, but they themselves had a very rough experience. I think you're projecting a different argument on me than I'm actually making.

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Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden

We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now

By THE EDITORS | Scientific American October 2020 Issue

Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden

Credit: Ross MacDonald

Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.

The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.

The pandemic would strain any nation and system, but Trump's rejection of evidence and public health measures have been catastrophic in the U.S. He was warned many times in January and February about the onrushing disease, yet he did not develop a national strategy to provide protective equipment, coronavirus testing or clear health guidelines. Testing people for the virus, and tracing those they may have infected, is how countries in Europe and Asia have gained control over their outbreaks, saved lives, and successfully reopened businesses and schools. But in the U.S., Trump claimed, falsely, that “anybody that wants a test can get a test.” That was untrue in March and remained untrue through the summer. Trump opposed $25 billion for increased testing and tracing that was in a pandemic relief bill as late as July. These lapses accelerated the spread of disease through the country—particularly in highly vulnerable communities that include people of color, where deaths climbed disproportionately to those in the rest of the population.

It wasn't just a testing problem: if almost everyone in the U.S. wore masks in public, it could save about 66,000 lives by the beginning of December, according to projections from the University of Washington School of Medicine. Such a strategy would hurt no one. It would close no business. It would cost next to nothing. But Trump and his vice president flouted local mask rules, making it a point not to wear masks themselves in public appearances. Trump has openly supported people who ignored governors in Michigan and California and elsewhere as they tried to impose social distancing and restrict public activities to control the virus. He encouraged governors in Florida, Arizona and Texas who resisted these public health measures, saying in April—again, falsely—that “the worst days of the pandemic are behind us” and ignoring infectious disease experts who warned at the time of a dangerous rebound if safety measures were loosened.

And of course, the rebound came, with cases across the nation rising by 46 percent and deaths increasing by 21 percent in June. The states that followed Trump's misguidance posted new daily highs and higher percentages of positive tests than those that did not. By early July several hospitals in Texas were full of COVID-19 patients. States had to close up again, at tremendous economic cost. About 31 percent of workers were laid off a second time, following the giant wave of unemployment—more than 30 million people and countless shuttered businesses—that had already decimated the country. At every stage, Trump has rejected the unmistakable lesson that controlling the disease, not downplaying it, is the path to economic reopening and recovery.

Trump repeatedly lied to the public about the deadly threat of the disease, saying it was not a serious concern and “this is like a flu” when he knew it was more lethal and highly transmissible, according to his taped statements to journalist Bob Woodward. His lies encouraged people to engage in risky behavior, spreading the virus further, and have driven wedges between Americans who take the threat seriously and those who believe Trump's falsehoods. The White House even produced a memo attacking the expertise of the nation's leading infectious disease physician, Anthony Fauci, in a despicable attempt to sow further distrust.

Trump's reaction to America's worst public health crisis in a century has been to say “I don't take responsibility at all.” Instead he blamed other countries and his White House predecessor, who left office three years before the pandemic began.

But Trump's refusal to look at the evidence and act accordingly extends beyond the virus. He has repeatedly tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act while offering no alternative; comprehensive medical insurance is essential to reduce illness. Trump has proposed billion-dollar cuts to the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, agencies that increase our scientific knowledge and strengthen us for future challenges. Congress has countermanded his reductions. Yet he keeps trying, slashing programs that would ready us for future pandemics and withdrawing from the World Health Organization. These and other actions increase the risk that new diseases will surprise and devastate us again.

Trump also keeps pushing to eliminate health rules from the Environmental Protection Agency, putting people at more risk for heart and lung disease caused by pollution. He has replaced scientists on agency advisory boards with industry representatives. In his ongoing denial of reality, Trump has hobbled U.S. preparations for climate change, falsely claiming that it does not exist and pulling out of international agreements to mitigate it. The changing climate is already causing a rise in heat-related deaths and an increase in severe storms, wildfires and extreme flooding.

Joe Biden, in contrast, comes prepared with plans to control COVID-19, improve health care, reduce carbon emissions and restore the role of legitimate science in policy making. He solicits expertise and has turned that knowledge into solid policy proposals.

On COVID-19, he states correctly that “it is wrong to talk about ‘choosing' between our public health and our economy.... If we don't beat the virus, we will never get back to full economic strength.” Biden plans to ramp up a national testing board, a body that would have the authority to command both public and private resources to supply more tests and get them to all communities. He also wants to establish a Public Health Job Corps of 100,000 people, many of whom have been laid off during the pandemic crisis, to serve as contact tracers and in other health jobs. He will direct the Occupational Health and Safety Administration to enforce workplace safety standards to avoid the kind of deadly outbreaks that have occurred at meat-processing plants and nursing homes. While Trump threatened to withhold money from school districts that did not reopen, regardless of the danger from the virus, Biden wants to spend $34 billion to help schools conduct safe in-person instruction as well as remote learning.

Biden is getting advice on these public health issues from a group that includes David Kessler, epidemiologist, pediatrician and former U.S. Food and Drug Administration chief; Rebecca Katz, immunologist and global health security specialist at Georgetown University; and Ezekiel Emanuel, bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania. It does not include physicians who believe in aliens and debunked virus therapies, one of whom Trump has called “very respected” and “spectacular.”

Biden has a family and caregiving initiative, recognizing this as key to a sustained public health and economic recovery. His plans include increased salaries for child care workers and construction of new facilities for children because the inability to afford quality care keeps workers out of the economy and places enormous strains on families.

On the environment and climate change, Biden wants to spend $2 trillion on an emissions-free power sector by 2035, build energy-efficient structures and vehicles, push solar and wind power, establish research agencies to develop safe nuclear power and carbon capture technologies, and more. The investment will produce two million jobs for U.S. workers, his campaign claims, and the climate plan will be partly paid by eliminating Trump's corporate tax cuts. Historically disadvantaged communities in the U.S. will receive 40 percent of these energy and infrastructure benefits.

It is not certain how many of these and his other ambitions Biden will be able to accomplish; much depends on laws to be written and passed by Congress. But he is acutely aware that we must heed the abundant research showing ways to recover from our present crises and successfully cope with future challenges.

Although Trump and his allies have tried to create obstacles that prevent people from casting ballots safely in November, either by mail or in person, it is crucial that we surmount them and vote. It's time to move Trump out and elect Biden, who has a record of following the data and being guided by science.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/

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9 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

 

Dems campaign is changing course.

I mean that would be a great outcome. President Harris would be amazing vs the imbecilic arseclown we're stuck with at the moment. 

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1 hour ago, Swampfox said:

Looks to me like dems are panicking already.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/15/trump-answers-voters-questions-abc-town-hall-philadelphia/5802650002/

Trump claims he "up played the severity of the virus" (despite there being a recording of him admitting he was downplaying it).

Looks to me like Trump is panicking already.  

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5 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

 

We all know that Trump basically went to Netanyahu and asked him to take one for the team on this in order to help his re-election chances. So they basically picked a couple of middle eastern countries that really weren't in conflict with Israel in the first place to make Trump look good. Netanyahu knows that any incoming Democratic administration would be less willing to put up with his corruption than Trump so he got on board. It's basically a big nothing burger. 

 

 

Oh, and Trump's a fucking moron! :lol: 

 

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1 hour ago, Dazey said:

We all know that Trump basically went to Netanyahu and asked him to take one for the team on this in order to help his re-election chances. So they basically picked a couple of middle eastern countries that really weren't in conflict with Israel in the first place to make Trump look good. Netanyahu knows that any incoming Democratic administration would be less willing to put up with his corruption than Trump so he got on board. It's basically a big nothing burger. 

 

 

Oh, and Trump's a fucking moron! :lol: 

 

What a difference four years can make.  2016: "Trump will get us into WW3".  2020: The next Nobel Peace Prize winner.  You really should give credit where credit is do.  His foreign policy exceeds any other President of our lifetime.  Peace bro!

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4 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

2020: The next Nobel Peace Prize winner. 

I am not a betting man but you want to take a bet on Trump actually winning the Nobel Peace Prize? :) 

And for clarification, anyone can be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. And there usually are quite a few  since many people are eligible to nominate (I think there were more than 300 nominees last year). So the fact that Trump has been nominated doesn't actually mean anything other that someone thinks a lot of him or, more likely, wants to give his some help in the upcoming election.

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

I am not a betting man but you want to take a bet on Trump actually winning the Nobel Peace Prize? :) 

And for clarification, anyone can be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. And there usually are quite a few  since many people are eligible to nominate (I think there were more than 300 nominees last year). So the fact that Trump has been nominated doesn't actually mean anything other that someone thinks a lot of him or, more likely, wants to give his some help in the upcoming election.

What do you think about my theory on the Bahrain and UAE deals?

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8 minutes ago, Dazey said:

What do you think about my theory on the Bahrain and UAE deals?

I don't know. What is your theory on the Bahrain and UAE deals?

EDIT: Sorry, saw it now. It wouldn't surprise me the least.

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Every single action taken by a politician is for the purposes of reelection. Every single good accomplishment can be viewed as just an election ploy. Diminishing these peace deals because they were in part designed to up his re-election chances is an unfair level of scrutiny that one would only ever apply to those of the other political party.

The deals certainly aren’t as significant as the administration makes them seem, but it’s a step.

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1 hour ago, Jakey Styley said:

Every single action taken by a politician is for the purposes of reelection. Every single good accomplishment can be viewed as just an election ploy. Diminishing these peace deals because they were in part designed to up his re-election chances is an unfair level of scrutiny that one would only ever apply to those of the other political party.

The deals certainly aren’t as significant as the administration makes them seem, but it’s a step.

I do agree that these deals are significant and do deserve some level of credit and respect.

Though I will say that the cost of these deals has yet to be fully communicated and understood.

Let's make no mistake, these deals were only possible because Trump blew up the multilateral nuclear agreement with Iran.  I do agree that in the middle east everything is transactional, but I have to question at this point in time whether these two small but significant deals are worth the sacrificial cost of losing JCPOA.  

That said, at least something good came out of the loss of JCPOA.

There is an argument that having Bahrain and the UAE normalize relations will put more pressure on the PLA to accept more of Israel's demands.  One of the cards the PLA had during negotiations was that an agreement would bring with it Israeli normalization of relations with neighbouring Arab states.  That leverage has a little less weight behind it now since it appears Sunni-Arab states are willing to support Trump's more hardline position on Iran in exchange for officially recognizing Israel (who is kidding who, most Arab nations already have relations with Israel, though limited to private channels).  One could argue that by undermining the PLA's leverage in negotiations it will precipitate better odds of a deal being made.  

The miscalculation in my opinion is the belief that any deal between Israel and the PNA could ever get done with Netanyahu in charge.  He's beholden to the hardline conservative faction within Israel who will never accept a deal unless it was heavily tilted in Israel's favour (which the PNA will never accept).

From a crass political perspective this deal reeks of an election ploy to help Trump.  This deal could have likely be done a year or two ago.  It's being done now to help Trump out during the election.  As others have pointed out, Netanyahu knows he's better off dealing with Trump/Kushner than a Biden administration.  I don't necessarily begrudge either Trump or Netanyahu for playing politics since that's the game.  But I think it should be considered by those who want to praise Trump for these deals regarding the when of it all.  The motive, for me at least, is less about bringing about peace in the middle east and more to do with Trump's re-election.  

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48 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said:

The deals certainly aren’t as significant as the administration makes them seem, but it’s a step.

You're 100% right. The problem is Trump, his family and his advisers are claiming it is very significant. Look, I think it's good news that Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain reach an agreement. But, is it going to last?. You said it's a step. Sure... a baby step. Nobody can erase the past with some magic trick. All of them have a lot of work to do. And what about Iran, Irak, Afghanistan or Syria? There is still a long way to go.

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