Len Cnut Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Depends what GnR are trying to achieve, a lot of the answers here appear to be based around the preconception that GnR wants to make Appetite type music. There is a place musically for three guitarists, trumpet players, sax players etc etc. And honestly, at this point in my life I've come to the conclusion that them making Appetite type music still, plugging away at that sort of thing, there's a good chance it'd be a load of shit anyway.I mean look at all the bands out there that made the same kinda music over 20 to 30 years...wears thin a bit don't it, even with the best of em? AC/DC, The Ramones (and i adore the latter by the way, adore them and give them much more respect than that but I'm also aware of others peoples feelings about em). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Depends what GnR are trying to achieve, a lot of the answers here appear to be based around the preconception that GnR wants to make Appetite type music. There is a place musically for three guitarists, trumpet players, sax players etc etc. And honestly, at this point in my life I've come to the conclusion that them making Appetite type music still, plugging away at that sort of thing, there's a good chance it'd be a load of shit anyway.I mean look at all the bands out there that made the same kinda music over 20 to 30 years...wears thin a bit don't it, even with the best of em? AC/DC, The Ramones (and i adore the latter by the way, adore them and give them much more respect than that but I'm also aware of others peoples feelings about em).It's not just Appetite though. Chinese has even more than 3 guitars on the album regardless of what you may think of the music.It's still logical to have 3 guitar players in Guns if you want it to sound as full as the record, and to represent it more faithfully live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I think 3 is necessary. I agree with Len's bit above. I think it would even be dishonest to roll with two guitarists. They gotta go at least 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What a load of bollocks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What a load of bollocks.People are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Personally I not only think they don't need 3 guitar players but also don't need any keyboard player or backup singers. Seems to me the AFD based tours up to and including the 89 shows with the Stones did fine without a traveling orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) No.Go listen to the "classic" (real) GNR live and it's blatantly obvious that two guitarists (Slash and Izzy) was/is all that is needed.Nutjobs will argue that 3 is needed, parroting the line Axl sprouted about needing 3 guitarists to play everything but these people will argue Pitman is essential too and they're also the people who dribble shit like Tommy Stuson is the #1 bassist cause he was in "the band" longer than Duff was.Hey, do you think the E Street band needs 5 guitarists?Yeah but it's only what they need if the idea is to make Appetite-esque music continually, which doesn't seem to be the fat mans intent. Like I said before, there's a place for that kinda stuff, Motown music was generally played by these 8 piece RnB combos which are kinda the heart of rock n roll. It's not the fault of the format that Axl & Co don't have the requisite wit to use that format to make good music. Jimi Hendrixes ambition was to eventually have an 8 piece RnB combo with him at the helm, done by the right people extra instrumentation is fantastic i reckon. The Stones had like Bobby Keys and Ian whatshisface and occasionally the black guy who played on Let it Be whoose name escapes be at the moment but also begins with a B, Little Richard had a fuckin' piano player and sax and all that shit, done right it works and it's just as rock n roll as anything. Edited September 25, 2015 by Len B'stard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 If we're talking talking about original Guns playing AFD, Lies, UYI stuff, then of course 3 aren't needed.If we're talking about nuGuns with Better and Shackler's and all that jazz, then yeah, 3 work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 No.Go listen to the "classic" (real) GNR live and it's blatantly obvious that two guitarists (Slash and Izzy) was/is all that is needed.Nutjobs will argue that 3 is needed, parroting the line Axl sprouted about needing 3 guitarists to play everything but these people will argue Pitman is essential too and they're also the people who dribble shit like Tommy Stuson is the #1 bassist cause he was in "the band" longer than Duff was.Hey, do you think the E Street band needs 5 guitarists?Any "bassist" who plays with a pick is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) No.Go listen to the "classic" (real) GNR live and it's blatantly obvious that two guitarists (Slash and Izzy) was/is all that is needed.Nutjobs will argue that 3 is needed, parroting the line Axl sprouted about needing 3 guitarists to play everything but these people will argue Pitman is essential too and they're also the people who dribble shit like Tommy Stuson is the #1 bassist cause he was in "the band" longer than Duff was.Hey, do you think the E Street band needs 5 guitarists?Any "bassist" who plays with a pick is shit.That's an ignorant statement. Playing with a pick is not just cause you're not talented enough. It's not just about technique as well.Picks, as you probably know, have their own sound. There's almost an endless amounts of great bass players that only play with a pick. Edited September 25, 2015 by Rovim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline?With GN'R I'd say OMG and Riad.Of course you'll disagree.That's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline?With GN'R I'd say OMG and Riad.Of course you'll disagree.That's fine.And with The Replacements where his bass can be heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline?With GN'R I'd say OMG and Riad.Of course you'll disagree.That's fine.And with The Replacements where his bass can be heard?I don't think there's any I hate music, maybe? Come on, he isn't shit. He's at least average. Dj's shit. Tommy isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline?With GN'R I'd say OMG and Riad.Of course you'll disagree.That's fine.And with The Replacements where his bass can be heard?I don't think there's any I hate music, maybe? Come on, he isn't shit. He's at least average. Dj's shit. Tommy isn'tIt's cool man. Thing is I keep reading about how GREAT and LEGENDARY this guy is supposed to be and to be honest with you I'm yet to hear anything above average coming from Tommy Stuson. That includes Replacements, his solo albums and Axl's solo project called GNR. Everytime I ask about The Replacements I get evasive answers because nobody really listens to said band. As for Axl's solo record called Chinese Democracy, I can't hear any bass for 98% of the record. Maybe it's the sub-bass fault? What is sub-bass anyway? Cheers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 The only third guitarist GNR needs... (And the last thing that performance needed was Dizzy's circus organ.)Axl making fun of Slash at the end. REAL Gn'R were an awesome band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy Stinson is a fuckin' G. Best bassline? Hmmm...I Will Dare? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Tommy is shit though.NahWhat's his most memorable bassline?With GN'R I'd say OMG and Riad.Of course you'll disagree.That's fine.And with The Replacements where his bass can be heard?I don't think there's any I hate music, maybe? Come on, he isn't shit. He's at least average. Dj's shit. Tommy isn'tIt's cool man. Thing is I keep reading about how GREAT and LEGENDARY this guy is supposed to be and to be honest with you I'm yet to hear anything above average coming from Tommy Stuson. That includes Replacements, his solo albums and Axl's solo project called GNR. Everytime I ask about The Replacements I get evasive answers because nobody really listens to said band. As for Axl's solo record called Chinese Democracy, I can't hear any bass for 98% of the record. Maybe it's the sub-bass fault? What is sub-bass anyway? CheersI beg your pardon, i know the words to every Mats album ever, at least for as long as they had Bob Stinson. And exactly what kinda intricate bass playing do you expect from punk albums? I think he did his job fantastically, he was on the road from fuckin' 14 years old putting in work, the man deserves heavy respect. Edited September 25, 2015 by Len B'stard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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niceguy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It's cool man. Thing is I keep reading about how GREAT and LEGENDARY this guy is supposed to be and to be honest with you I'm yet to hear anything above average coming from Tommy Stuson. That includes Replacements, his solo albums and Axl's solo project called GNR. Everytime I ask about The Replacements I get evasive answers because nobody really listens to said band. As for Axl's solo record called Chinese Democracy, I can't hear any bass for 98% of the record. Maybe it's the sub-bass fault? What is sub-bass anyway? CheersThis is, flat-out, my single most favorite post on this board ever.Stusson's playing is completely and entirely mediocre. I would LOVE to hear one example of his "legendary" playing. Like, give me a song and a time-stamp, and let's all sit back and bask in his amazing, innovative, legendary playing.Duff is no genius either, but his bass on AFD (and UYI, to a lesser extent) is fantastic. It complements the scattershot rhythms of Izzy and Slash, without getting boring or too extreme.I've heard nothing from Stusssson which is so great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 You have to admit that nugnr makes Stinson look like a wanker though. He even admitted himself to hating gnr when he was in The Replacement haha. If he mingles with his punk friends I bet they all take the piss out of him for playing November Rain in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Tommy pretty much lost his punk cred the moment he agreed to play for a paycheck in a band he hates. Ironic that he was supposed to be adding punk cred. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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