Will the world forgive Axl if he doesn't do the reunion?

[Tom2112]

I do not think the world cares about a 'GN'R reunion' as much as people (here) make out. A GN'R reunion would not be as big an event as a Zeppelin, Floyd or ABBA reunion. It would be a moderately successful arena tour for two years then people would get bored again.

Zeppelin, Floyd? both of which got back together before, GNR? haven't played together since '93. The world doesn't care as much as we do, OK. OBVIOUSLY a GnR fan forum is going to care more about any GnR news (with or without a reunion) than a regular joe... BUT! the GnR reunion is a huge story. It's an arena tour? bah! if that's all it was promoters would not be chomping at the bit to get this band back on the road. GnR reunion equals lots of stadiums and bigger indoor arena shows, huge festivals and a lot of people paying a lot of money to come see it. Don't under sell it because you're sulking with uncle Axl.

Zeppelin and Floyd however are considered rock royalty. GN'R are considered hair rock, famous for about three-four songs during the late 1980s and early '90s (''Sweet Child'', ''Jungle'', ''Paradise City'' and ''November Rain''). If they booked one-four shows, I could see stadia - certainly - but it is difficult to envision a tour, over the course of a year or so, playing places like Wembley or LA Forum.

GnR are in the same leagues as the bands you're mentioning, the only difference is that they probably reach a wider audience. Sweet child or Money, which one's going to be recognised first by your average fan? think we know the answer. Same goes for Zeppelin. Both are huge bands, but their fan base are in the classic rock / metal regions... Guns are liked by a lot more varied people.

Example, I just saw my younger female cousins phone (18yrs old) filled with Beyonce, taylor swift, 1direction, Katy perry and loads of other people I've never heard of and yep there was a GnR song there too. Gnr haven't done anything much in 20 yrs bar a mixed received album and touring, why is it that she would have a guns song on her phone? might be because they (classic GnR) are just as big as most say they are.

Nobodies arguing that people don't think Axl's fat, or a prick (or both). Read the comments sections that's all they ever say.

[skybluzcu]

I saw this lineup today and was taken back for a second. this is almost the reunion in fact it is the reunion less 2 people. I would love to see a reunion but honestly I dont think Axl or Slash is stopping it. But if they choose to do it I know Axl will be on point back in better health strong voice because he is a perfectionist he cant half ass do anything its balls to the wall or not.

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[Free Bird]

because he is a perfectionist

I thought this rumor doesn't exist anymore

[wasted]

A reunion is a bit of a gimmick. I think Axl just wants to be in a rock band that can put out a record every 10 years and tour when he wants. I don't think he's chasing fame or money.

You said it!

I have no problem with that. I think Axl even said before UYI came out the next one would be in 10 years. But that 2000 deadline was blocked by the record company. And so on. Edited October 21, 2015 by wasted

[DieselDaisy]

Well if you have no problem with that that is certainly your prerogative . I personally like artists who release material. The only thing Axl releases these days is toxic farts from too many burgers.

[PITBOSS]

I saw this lineup today and was taken back for a second. this is almost the reunion in fact it is the reunion less 2 people. I would love to see a reunion but honestly I dont think Axl or Slash is stopping it. But if they choose to do it I know Axl will be on point back in better health strong voice because he is a perfectionist he cant half ass do anything its balls to the wall or not.

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setlist? i'd like to see KOC but they don't seem to want a proper tour

[wasted]

Release UYI 91. Tour til 94. Get off the road. Write songs. Hit studio. Possibly 96. But by 99 they had a record. Even with Slash quitting. It's just the label/Axl didn't go with it etc. 2000 Intentions. Axl is even quoted as saying he was ready to mix after rerecording with RTB. Basically 10 years after UYI was out.

They seemed to have more than CD, there is another record that they started working on too. The record that was rejected in 2010 was possibly trying to make up for lost time. In the chats Axl was saying CD was a double.

Maybe the label just didn't see that as the best way to maximize sales of a GNR record. Hold off look for another exclusive deal. Unless there's money there the wheels won't move. My impression is Axl doesn't care much about the label. If they said yes in 2000 we'd have got version of CD. Obviously they were delaying looking to see the right numbers. Or they were just too scared to release Beavan's industrial record as it would take GNR too far away from it's audience.

But whatever the reason 2 records in 20 years since 2000 isn't as bad. But at least CD is strong 14 tracks. No covers or filler really. It has legs and longevity. Next year for CD 2 would be perfect.

Generally GNR put out a cd or dvd every 4 years. So I think AFDem blu ray set the clock back in 2014? 4 years after CD. 2018 and counting.

Right now you can see what's happening. Label is like hoping for a reunion tour to put out a Best of GNR double cd. Axl still has his second half of CD. There must be some disagreements in there.

CD II next year, then 2020 the reunion Best of?

Edited October 21, 2015 by wasted

[Nosaj Thing]

Sell out.

[wasted]

I don't think he's chasing fame or money.

Axl is a sell out playing private gigs to millionaires and casinos. He does chase the money.

Maybe it's time for you to drop the spam shitposting and consider the facts.

I think that is more just to run a band that breaks even. He's not out to lose money. Has to be viable. And Vegas is fun. If he didn't like it he wouldn't do it for the money. If he just stays home he's good.

If he wanted money he could have done a reunion tour years ago. He probably has enough money. Even Steven is comfortable.

[Nosaj Thing]

I think that is more just to run a band that breaks even.

Source? I would like to know if this is a fact or just nonsensical blabbering.

He's not out to lose money.

And who is? This actually contradicts your first statement.

And Vegas is fun.

Opinion, not fact. Vegas is fun, sure, but when you're there to entertain others, not so much.

If he didn't like it he wouldn't do it for the money.

Source? Are you close to Axl Rose?

If he just stays home he's good.

Exactly what a professional musician should do. Stay home and be good.

If he wanted money he could have done a reunion tour years ago. He probably has enough money. Even Steven is comfortable.

The good ol' "if he wanted money he would have done a reunion." Not really. The point here is clear, you said he's not chasing money, fact is, he is. Is that a bad thing? No, it isn't.

It's not about making hundreds of millions when you're already making millions, it's about if you care or not about money, Axl cares, that's why he's a sell out.

[Rovim]

It's not about making hundreds of millions when you're already making millions, it's about if you care or not about money, Axl cares, that's why he's a sell out.

Not really. He said the art comes first for him, which makes sense considering all of the resources he put into Chinese and some of the live shows.

If the art is exactly what he wanted it to be, than he's not a sellout. Can play weddings and Vegas, do beer commercials or whatever as long as the music is not compromised for money.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Rovim

[Nosaj Thing]

Not really. He said the art comes first for him, which makes sense considering all of the resources he put into Chinese and some of the live shows.

If the art is exactly what he wanted it to be, than he's not a sellout. Can play weddings and Vegas as long as the music is not compromised.

Wrong.

Art not first and music compromised. Axl Rose = Sell out.

[Rovim]

Not really. He said the art comes first for him, which makes sense considering all of the resources he put into Chinese and some of the live shows.

If the art is exactly what he wanted it to be, than he's not a sellout. Can play weddings and Vegas as long as the music is not compromised.

Wrong.

Art not first and music compromised. Axl Rose = Sell out.

Look at my edited post. I knew you would mention the beer thing. Axl can do whatever he wants to make money as long as it doesn't come at the expense of the music imo.

Making beer commercials falls under the same category as playing Vegas residencies and Russian weddings. It's still a job as well, especially in the current musical landscape where you can't make real money from selling albums.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Rovim

[Nosaj Thing]

Not really. He said the art comes first for him, which makes sense considering all of the resources he put into Chinese and some of the live shows.

If the art is exactly what he wanted it to be, than he's not a sellout. Can play weddings and Vegas as long as the music is not compromised.

Wrong.

Art not first and music compromised. Axl Rose = Sell out.

Look at my edited post. I knew you would mention the beer thing. Axl can do whatever he wants to make money as long as it doesn't come at the expense of the music imo.

Well, too late. Music has been compromised in that commercial. He's not only endorsing a beer he probably doesn't drink, he's also endorsing a shit version of Paradise City. And he definitely got paid. That's a sell out moment you can't refute.

I don't know why being a sell out in the music industry is considered a bad thing for his fans. It's not. I would have loved to see Axl in more commercials, TV spots, making scores for movies, cameos, etc. Again, not a bad thing.

[Rovim]

Well, too late. Music has been compromised in that commercial. He's not only endorsing a beer he probably doesn't drink, he's also endorsing a shit version of Paradise City. And he definitely got paid. That's a sell out moment you can't refute.

I don't know why being a sell out in the music industry is considered a bad thing for his fans. It's not. I would have loved to see Axl in more commercials, TV spots, making scores for movies, cameos, etc. Again, not a bad thing.

Making beer commercials falls under the same category as playing Vegas residencies and Russian weddings. It's still a job as well, especially in the current musical landscape where you can't make real money from selling albums, but as long as the music is not compromised, he's not a sellout. I'm not gonna argue with you further on this. I understand what your position is on the matter.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Rovim

[bacardimayne]

He's not only endorsing a beer he probably doesn't drink

Wasn't Budweiser on those ridiculous tour ridings that leaked?

[Nosaj Thing]

Making beer commercials falls under the same category as playing Vegas residencies and Russian weddings. It's still a job as well, especially in the current musical landscape where you can't make real money from selling albums,

That's your opinion but again, who is discussing what to do or not to do in order to make money? No one. I'm all for any "artist" out there doing what they can to get paid unless it's illegal. I am pointing out the fact that Axl Rose is a sell out by definition. Whether you guys consider that a bad thing or not, is not my problem.

but as long as the music is not compromised, he's not a sellout.

Might want to check that video again. There's a shit version of Paradise City being performed, version he had to approve in order to make an appearance and be connected with it. He's a sell out. Again, in case you missed it, that's not a bad thing.

[wasted]

I think that is more just to run a band that breaks even.

Source? I would like to know if this is a fact or just nonsensical blabbering.

He's not out to lose money.

And who is? This actually contradicts your first statement.

And Vegas is fun.

Opinion, not fact. Vegas is fun, sure, but when you're there to entertain others, not so much.

If he didn't like it he wouldn't do it for the money.

Source? Are you close to Axl Rose?

If he just stays home he's good.

Exactly what a professional musician should do. Stay home and be good.

If he wanted money he could have done a reunion tour years ago. He probably has enough money. Even Steven is comfortable.

The good ol' "if he wanted money he would have done a reunion." Not really. The point here is clear, you said he's not chasing money, fact is, he is. Is that a bad thing? No, it isn't.

It's not about making hundreds of millions when you're already making millions, it's about if you care or not about money, Axl cares, that's why he's a sell out.

That's what I mean he's not chasing 100s of millions of dollars. Doin that in the Illusion era probably set them up for life.

So I don't think it's money he's chasing or to be a celebrity. He enjoys a certain level of fame. But a reunion would put him back in the spotlight. More pressure. More money but I don't think he needs it. In my opinion.

It's just my take on it. He might duck a reunion and just be happy to keep control and level of money he has. Of course I don't know that. He just doesn't seem desperate for media attention or money to me.

Edited October 21, 2015 by wasted

[wasted]

Point was he may not be lured by the money to do a reunion. Not out of integrity but just he doesn't need the money and doesn't want to do a reunion.

Everyone wants to get paid, selling out is almost a none issue. Maybe it's more a metal or indie band thing.

Like you used to take no shit, no compromise on how hard and heavy your band was and now you are using Shrillex to stay relevant. Or is that just being creative to have a career. Like U2 were open about changing to stay relevant.

It's only selling out if you don't want to do it.

I guess with Axl it's like he could do a reunion and have all this integrity doing a reunion record or he can try to be hip and stay relevant putting out Silkworms with nu GNR and be branded a sell out.

But if he doesn't want to do a reunion and does it for the money then he's a sell out I guess. But who's keeping score?

I just don't think he's broke yet.

[Rovim]

Point was he may not be lured by the money to do a reunion. Not out of integrity but just he doesn't need the money and doesn't want to do a reunion.

Everyone wants to get paid, selling out is almost a none issue. Maybe it's more a metal or indie band thing.

Like you used to take no shit, no compromise on how hard and heavy your band was and now you are using Shrillex to stay relevant. Or is that just being creative to have a career. Like U2 were open about changing to stay relevant.

It's only selling out if you don't want to do it.

I guess with Axl it's like he could do a reunion and have all this integrity doing a reunion record or he can try to be hip and stay relevant putting out Silkworms with nu GNR and be branded a sell out.

But if he doesn't want to do a reunion and does it for the money then he's a sell out I guess. But who's keeping score?

I just don't think he's broke yet.

Technically, Guns sold out when they started making music videos, or any band that was ever signed sold out the minute the contract was agreed upon. Like when Metallica fans called the band sellouts when they made the music video for "One" and released it.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Rovim

[Chuzeville]

The world's past caring.

[Apollo]

Release UYI 91. Tour til 94. Get off the road. Write songs. Hit studio. Possibly 96. But by 99 they had a record. Even with Slash quitting. It's just the label/Axl didn't go with it etc. 2000 Intentions. Axl is even quoted as saying he was ready to mix after rerecording with RTB. Basically 10 years after UYI was out.

They seemed to have more than CD, there is another record that they started working on too. The record that was rejected in 2010 was possibly trying to make up for lost time. In the chats Axl was saying CD was a double.

Maybe the label just didn't see that as the best way to maximize sales of a GNR record. Hold off look for another exclusive deal. Unless there's money there the wheels won't move. My impression is Axl doesn't care much about the label. If they said yes in 2000 we'd have got version of CD. Obviously they were delaying looking to see the right numbers. Or they were just too scared to release Beavan's industrial record as it would take GNR too far away from it's audience.

But whatever the reason 2 records in 20 years since 2000 isn't as bad. But at least CD is strong 14 tracks. No covers or filler really. It has legs and longevity. Next year for CD 2 would be perfect.

Generally GNR put out a cd or dvd every 4 years. So I think AFDem blu ray set the clock back in 2014? 4 years after CD. 2018 and counting.

Right now you can see what's happening. Label is like hoping for a reunion tour to put out a Best of GNR double cd. Axl still has his second half of CD. There must be some disagreements in there.

CD II next year, then 2020 the reunion Best of?

I like you man, but most of what you said doesn't make any sense.

GnR put out five albums in six years. You cant extrapolate that and say they average an album every four years.

And CD has no filler and has staying power? Have you listened to Scraped?

[wasted]

The world never cared.

Selling out just isn't an issue. But Axl doesn't seem to like to compromise on the music. It's not necessarily a good thing because it's kind of open ended. Like when is it finished? As someone who mostly just thinks ah that'll do I don't think I can understand. But I listen to AFD and UYI and then CD and can see how Axl could think he'd topped both those records. Just sound and recording is on another level. Then all the songs are completely finished. A lot are flawless. I don't know when they reached that point but I suppose in 1999 it wasn't up to that level? Then after the re-record they didn't have Shacklers, ITW, Scraped, Sorry finished yet. I have to respect that he fought the urges to release until he was happy with it. I wish I could hear the Beavan record just to know how much time was wasted.

[Chuzeville]

The world might, but what about the universe?

[wasted]

Release UYI 91. Tour til 94. Get off the road. Write songs. Hit studio. Possibly 96. But by 99 they had a record. Even with Slash quitting. It's just the label/Axl didn't go with it etc. 2000 Intentions. Axl is even quoted as saying he was ready to mix after rerecording with RTB. Basically 10 years after UYI was out.

They seemed to have more than CD, there is another record that they started working on too. The record that was rejected in 2010 was possibly trying to make up for lost time. In the chats Axl was saying CD was a double.

Maybe the label just didn't see that as the best way to maximize sales of a GNR record. Hold off look for another exclusive deal. Unless there's money there the wheels won't move. My impression is Axl doesn't care much about the label. If they said yes in 2000 we'd have got version of CD. Obviously they were delaying looking to see the right numbers. Or they were just too scared to release Beavan's industrial record as it would take GNR too far away from it's audience.

But whatever the reason 2 records in 20 years since 2000 isn't as bad. But at least CD is strong 14 tracks. No covers or filler really. It has legs and longevity. Next year for CD 2 would be perfect.

Generally GNR put out a cd or dvd every 4 years. So I think AFDem blu ray set the clock back in 2014? 4 years after CD. 2018 and counting.

Right now you can see what's happening. Label is like hoping for a reunion tour to put out a Best of GNR double cd. Axl still has his second half of CD. There must be some disagreements in there.

CD II next year, then 2020 the reunion Best of?

I like you man, but most of what you said doesn't make any sense.

GnR put out five albums in six years. You cant extrapolate that and say they average an album every four years.

And CD has no filler and has staying power? Have you listened to Scraped?

Scraped is one of my favorites. Most played CD song according to my itunes. And yeah I still listen to CD. Hear the feedback at the end of Catcher yet? I normally say almost no filler. I'll give you Scraped and Riad, maybe just Riad, it's Tommy's song. I like it. Sometimes that really does it for me like Garden of Eden. Not exactly a single.

It's slightly different point than justifying the lack of material it's more the frequency of releases. A pattern. It's not exact but there's a pattern!

87 AFD

91 UYI

94 Spaghetti Incident

99 Live Era

2004 Greatest Hits

2008 CD

2014 AFDem

Theres Lies and UYI dvds. Definitely more activity early on. But then it settles into something about every 4 years.

So 2018?