Look at your game girl

[Apollo]

Nothing screams integrity like performing a song written by an evil murdering piece of shit like Charles Manson.

What's next, a cover of a Richard Rameriz song or a Jeffrey Dahmer jingle? Maybe a melody featuring Ted Bundy poems

[DieselDaisy]

Nothing screams integrity like performing a song written by an evil murdering piece of shit like Charles Manson.

What's next, a cover of a Richard Rameriz song or a Jeffrey Dahmer jingle? Maybe a melody featuring Ted Bundy poems

À la GG Allin who met with John Wayne Gacy in prison, Gacy painting his album cover.

[Sixes]

Nothing screams integrity like performing a song written by an evil murdering piece of shit like Charles Manson.

What's next, a cover of a Richard Rameriz song or a Jeffrey Dahmer jingle? Maybe a melody featuring Ted Bundy poems

Plus his undying loyalty to his gardener and having him play on the song as opposed to his bandmates

[Billsfan]

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

[Sixes]

Axl, the last rebel rocker!!!

[RussTCB]

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

I would assume that was one of the reasons he did it, but that doesn't make it cool IMO

[Sixes]

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

I would assume that was one of the reasons he did it, but that doesn't make it cool IMO

Agreed.

Plus, it's a horrible song.

[Apollo]

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

I'm sure the families of the people brutally murdered are laughing their asses off as well.

The one that is really funny, and whose buttons really needed pushed, is the lady who was pregnant. I think they found her with multiple stab wounds to her stomach - killing the baby. They then hung her while simultaneously stabbing her.

Axl really pulled a good one on the other lady's family - the one who Manson's people stabbed 47 times.

Funny, funny stuff. Clearly something to laugh about and celebrate and use as an opportunity to push people's buttons.

I'm sure if your wife and unborn child were brutally tortured and murdered you would find is hilarious if rock stars played the murderer's songs so they could be edgy and push people's buttons.

Smh. We have some sick people on this forum.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Apollo

[Sprite]

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

I'm sure the families of the people brutally murdered are laughing their asses off as well.

The one that is really funny, and whose buttons really needed pushed, is the lady who was pregnant. I think they found her with multiple stab wounds to her stomach - killing the baby. They then hung her while simultaneously stabbing her.

Axl really pulled a good one on the other lady's family - the one who Manson's people stabbed 47 times.

Funny, funny stuff. Clearly something to laugh about and celebrate and use as an opportunity to push people's buttons.

I'm sure if your wife and unborn child were brutally tortured and murdered you would find is hilarious if rock stars played the murderer's songs so they could be edgy and push people's buttons.

Smh. We have some sick people on this forum.

Hi Apollo,

I'm not taking a side on anything but your comment reminded me of a story I once heard. Sharon Tate's mom actually was pretty "supportive" (for lack of a better word) of Charles Manson. Since he wasn't at the murder site, she didn't think he was the truly guilty one. I remember reading some quotes from her at one time and I found this video..

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Edited December 10, 2015 by Sprite

[stella]

I kind of feel like saying you like Mansons songs is like saying you like Hitler as an artist. Just wrong because what they did does overshadow everything else. Someone who did something like Manson and his followers did should not be supported in any way.

[DieselDaisy]

It does raise an interesting paradox because as it stands, I find the song a moderately alright ballad - nothing great but with a decent vocalist like Axl, a song which certainly serves its purpose. It is the Wagner paradox all over again. True, Richard Wagner had died long before the onset of Hitler however he was a virulent anti-Semite, crank and German nationalist; it is easy to see how his opera and writings shaped Nazism in twentieth century German. Do we cease to listen to Tristan and Isolde or the Ring Cycle because of our knowledge of this?

[stella]

It is absolutely true that artists and musicians can have horrible views amd be awful people. I think there is a difference between a person who has a personally hateful view, like Wagner, and someone who actually did something or incited others to do so, like Hitler. Writing a piece of music that inspired Nazism indirectly isn't parallel to authoring Mein Kampf, which laid out Nazi philosophies and helped them become reality.

It is a weird thing. Sometimes you can separate but sometimes a line is crossed.

[DieselDaisy]

It is absolutely true that artists and musicians can have horrible views amd be awful people. I think there is a difference between a person who has a personally hateful view, like Wagner, and someone who actually did something or incited others to do so, like Hitler. Writing a piece of music that inspired Nazism indirectly isn't parallel to authoring Mein Kampf, which laid out Nazi philosophies and helped them become reality.

It is a weird thing. Sometimes you can separate but sometimes a line is crossed.

But when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf he was a wastrel, an ideologue involved in fringe politics locked up in prison. Regardless, all Hitler did was recycle 19th century Wagnerean German nationalism, pseudo-scientific aryanism and the beliefs of this idiot Englishman called Houston Stewart Chamberlain. There is no obvious reason why Hitler would have been completely forgotten about, surveying the scene of 1920s German politics. And there is nothing that original about Mein Kampf and Nazism in its initial thought process - Hitler was not even the first fascist dictator!

[stella]

I studied Hitler and Naziam extensively in college, I know very well that his ideas were not necessarily original. Some of them came from the USA, in fact...people like Oliver Wendell Holmes.

It seems that you missed what i said, though. None of the people Hitler learned from engineered a system that ended up systematically killing and torturing millions of Jews, Roma, disabled people, homosexuals, Jehovahs Witnesses, Polish Catholica, etc. None of the others started a war that ended up killing about 70 million people in total. Hitler did. Whoever was assisting, Himmler, Eichmann et al, Hitler was at the wheel. As early as 1920 with the Gemlich letter he was talking about wiping out Jews and how he planned to do it.

Same concept applies to Manson. He engineered a cult that killed innocent people in truly horrible ways.

The actions count. Not the beliefs. In both Hitler and Mansons case their actions were crimes against humanity and nothing they did should be lauded.

[DieselDaisy]

I studied Hitler and Naziam extensively in college, I know very well that his ideas were not necessarily original. Some of them came from the USA, in fact...people like Oliver Wendell Holmes.

It seems that you missed what i said, though. None of the people Hitler learned from engineered a system that ended up systematically killing and torturing millions of Jews, Roma, disabled people, homosexuals, Jehovahs Witnesses, Polish Catholica, etc. None of the others started a war that ended up killing about 70 million people in total. Hitler did. Whoever was assisting, Himmler, Eichmann et al, Hitler was at the wheel. As early as 1920 with the Gemlich letter he was talking about wiping out Jews and how he planned to do it.

Same concept applies to Manson. He engineered a cult that killed innocent people in truly horrible ways.

The actions count. Not the beliefs. In both Hitler and Mansons case their actions were crimes against humanity and nothing they did should be lauded.

True, but returning to the argument about Wagner, there is always an apologetic embarrassment about being a Wagnerian which will never completely dissipate. It is the baggage of, (Hitler) ''whoever wants to understand National Socialist Germany must know Wagner''. Israel just recently admitted Wagner's music into their country so this has been pertinent stuff for many years!

[Len Cnut]

it was a message to stephanie seymour with whom we broke up with in february of 93. His gardener played guitar on the track.

What? Slash and Gilby aren't on there?

im not sure they even knew it existed

They did. This wasn't like 'My World' where they found out by listening to the record.

As for YCPYAOAM:

Slash: I didn't even play on the Johnny Thunders song cos I hated that little fucker! [Kerrang, March 1994].

Fuck off Slash you fuckin' mug, Johnny Thunders is 100 times the performer you ever were, you wouldn't see him sucking Axl Roses cock for a pension.

It seems axl probably covered the songs to push some people's buttons. Seems it worked lmao

I would assume that was one of the reasons he did it, but that doesn't make it cool IMO

Agreed.

Plus, it's a horrible song.

Exactly, it's a shite song thats only noted cuz a fuckin' psycho wrote it, 'what a mad delusion, living in this confusion', Christ Almighty it sounds like a 13 yr olds first attempt at songwriting. 'pushing peoples buttons', what, by making them thick he's a cock? Well done Axl.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Len B'stard

[Lies They Tell]

I never understood why people mix up the artist and the art that he created. Those are two completely separate things. If Michael Jackson molested children, that doesn't make his songs any worse. The songs didn't molest anybody. Art is art. IMO you should not judge a song based on whether you like the artist or not. Cause then you're judging the artist, not the art. If Hitler had created awesome music, I'd listen to it.

Of course it's a whole different argument, if you don't want to support an artist who has done bad things. I totally understand if you don't want to give your money to a person you hate.

But still, art and the artist are separate things IMO. It's okay to enjoy art that some horrible person has created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

That being said I kinda like Look At Your Game Girl. It's certainly not the worst song GNR has recorded. It's different and a little bit strange. I enjoy it.

[Strange Broue]

I never understood why people mix up the artist and the art that he created. Those are two completely separate things. If Michael Jackson molested children, that doesn't make his songs any worse. The songs didn't molest anybody. Art is art. IMO you should not judge a song based on whether you like the artist or not. Cause then you're judging the artist, not the art. If Hitler had created awesome music, I'd listen to it.

Of course it's a whole different argument, if you don't want to support an artist who has done bad things. I totally understand if you don't want to give your money to a person you hate.

But still, art and the artist are separate things IMO. It's okay to enjoy art that some horrible person has created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

That being said I kinda like Look At Your Game Girl. It's certainly not the worst song GNR has recorded. It's different and a little bit strange. I enjoy it.

as a well known poster would say: finally, somebody with common sense here. great post

[DieselDaisy]

I never understood why people mix up the artist and the art that he created. Those are two completely separate things. If Michael Jackson molested children, that doesn't make his songs any worse. The songs didn't molest anybody. Art is art. IMO you should not judge a song based on whether you like the artist or not. Cause then you're judging the artist, not the art. If Hitler had created awesome music, I'd listen to it.

Of course it's a whole different argument, if you don't want to support an artist who has done bad things. I totally understand if you don't want to give your money to a person you hate.

But still, art and the artist are separate things IMO. It's okay to enjoy art that some horrible person has created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

That being said I kinda like Look At Your Game Girl. It's certainly not the worst song GNR has recorded. It's different and a little bit strange. I enjoy it.

It is inherent element of humanity. Your rationality is sound however most of us are not as rational as that. I do not think we should put these people on pedestals, as many do, but could anyone really listen to a Gary Glitter cd - not just because the music is shite but because of the paedophilia?

[Lies They Tell]

I never understood why people mix up the artist and the art that he created. Those are two completely separate things. If Michael Jackson molested children, that doesn't make his songs any worse. The songs didn't molest anybody. Art is art. IMO you should not judge a song based on whether you like the artist or not. Cause then you're judging the artist, not the art. If Hitler had created awesome music, I'd listen to it.

Of course it's a whole different argument, if you don't want to support an artist who has done bad things. I totally understand if you don't want to give your money to a person you hate.

But still, art and the artist are separate things IMO. It's okay to enjoy art that some horrible person has created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

That being said I kinda like Look At Your Game Girl. It's certainly not the worst song GNR has recorded. It's different and a little bit strange. I enjoy it.

It is inherent element of humanity. Your rationality is sound however most of us are not as rational as that. I do not think we should put these people on pedestals, as many do, but could anyone really listen to a Gary Glitter cd - not just because the music is shite but because of the paedophilia?

I can only speak for myself. If I'd like his music, I'd listen to it.

[maynard]

I have a confession to make: I've never listened to TSI in full so I had no idea this song existed.

[Słash]

I have a confession to make: I've never listened to TSI in full so I had no idea this song existed.

The only songs I have heard from TSI are Since I don't have you, New Rose and Attitude

[DieselDaisy]

I never understood why people mix up the artist and the art that he created. Those are two completely separate things. If Michael Jackson molested children, that doesn't make his songs any worse. The songs didn't molest anybody. Art is art. IMO you should not judge a song based on whether you like the artist or not. Cause then you're judging the artist, not the art. If Hitler had created awesome music, I'd listen to it.

Of course it's a whole different argument, if you don't want to support an artist who has done bad things. I totally understand if you don't want to give your money to a person you hate.

But still, art and the artist are separate things IMO. It's okay to enjoy art that some horrible person has created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

That being said I kinda like Look At Your Game Girl. It's certainly not the worst song GNR has recorded. It's different and a little bit strange. I enjoy it.

It is inherent element of humanity. Your rationality is sound however most of us are not as rational as that. I do not think we should put these people on pedestals, as many do, but could anyone really listen to a Gary Glitter cd - not just because the music is shite but because of the paedophilia?

I can only speak for myself. If I'd like his music, I'd listen to it.

I do not think I could.

I have a confession to make: I've never listened to TSI in full so I had no idea this song existed.

About five years ago I suddenly realised that I had never listened to TSI in its entirety (despite owning it since the day of release). So I put it on there just for the sake of doing this and, jesus, it was painful. I just made it but I certainly deserved a medal.

[-W.A.R-]

I have a confession to make: I've never listened to TSI in full so I had no idea this song existed.

i don't blame you

its a real shame thats how the old lineup went out...even the cover is awful

i have the cd because im a completist but its probably the least listened to album i own

Edited December 11, 2015 by -W.A.R-

[maynard]

Yeah, Since I don't have you, Attitude and New Rose are listenable. I love Duff's punk vibe but I can't even tell how the other songs sound like. Real GNR should've released at least one more album of original material. TSI being the last Guns n' Roses album is such a shame.