Babooshka Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Karri said: So two drummers on tour for different material, is the speculation? Come on, what a circus act that would be. I take Finck's Cirque du Soleil makeup and haircut circus over that. I'm also not a fan of the two drummer set-up, but I don't think it's that. My guess is Adler will guest, maybe in Vegas or later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunderram Posted March 29, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, gunners fan said: Sure but Addler still should't be part of this reunion. He has neither the mental capacity nor physical endurance to survive. Yes, he should. It sounds as if you have no idea what a reunion actually is. The original 5 members and Matt and Dizzy ie members that actually wrote/recorded music before the breakup in 1996/97 are all that qualify for a reunion. 1 hour ago, CardinalGunner said: well, its not like I'm mad if they are involved. just believe Frank to be the superior choice as it stands right now. Frank is not a member of GNR. Never has been, never will be. Axl can call his 2000's era band whatever he likes. It ain't GNR anymore than Velvet Revolver was GNR. It's a different band altogether that just happens to cover 80's and 90's GNR simply because of the vocalist. You may prefer Frank if the band is a regrouping rather than an actual reunion, but, in an actual reunion situation -- which is what a vast majority of fans are hoping to see -- this guy isn't even on the radar and is in no way a superior choice. Those that are extremely biased toward NEW GNR and it's musicians need to wake up to some harsh realities. One, you are in the vast minority when it comes to anything happening with the band right now. Forget hardcore original fans, you lose to the casual fan which comes in even greater numbers. Two, this website and all of its ongoing discussions wouldn't be occurring w/o the original members/band. Lastly, and most importantly, the original members play the music better than anybody else in the world -- because its their music with their idiosyncrasies stamped all over it. If you want to see Frank and Fortus rather than Adler, Izzy, or Sorum ... then you don't really want to see GNR. You want to see a different band entirely. That's the long, short and ultimate reality of it. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMathski Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 14 minutes ago, thunderram said: Yes, he should. It sounds as if you have no idea what a reunion actually is. The original 5 members and Matt and Dizzy ie members that actually wrote/recorded music before the breakup in 1996/97 are all that qualify for a reunion. Frank is not a member of GNR. Never has been, never will be. Axl can call his 2000's era band whatever he likes. It ain't GNR anymore than Velvet Revolver was GNR. It's a different band altogether that just happens to cover 80's and 90's GNR simply because of the vocalist. You may prefer Frank if the band is a regrouping rather than an actual reunion, but, in an actual reunion situation -- which is what a vast majority of fans are hoping to see -- this guy isn't even on the radar and is in no way a superior choice. Those that are extremely biased toward NEW GNR and it's musicians need to wake up to some harsh realities. One, you are in the vast minority when it comes to anything happening with the band right now. Forget hardcore original fans, you lose to the casual fan which comes in even greater numbers. Two, this website and all of its ongoing discussions wouldn't be occurring w/o the original members/band. Lastly, and most importantly, the original members play the music better than anybody else in the world -- because its their music with their idiosyncrasies stamped all over it. If you want to see Frank and Fortus rather than Adler, Izzy, or Sorum ... then you don't really want to see GNR. You want to see a different band entirely. That's the long, short and ultimate reality of it. Very well said! Hit the nail on the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalGunner Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 30 minutes ago, thunderram said: Frank is not a member of GNR. Never has been, never will be. Axl can call his 2000's era band whatever he likes. It ain't GNR anymore than Velvet Revolver was GNR. It's a different band altogether that just happens to cover 80's and 90's GNR simply because of the vocalist. You may prefer Frank if the band is a regrouping rather than an actual reunion, but, in an actual reunion situation -- which is what a vast majority of fans are hoping to see -- this guy isn't even on the radar and is in no way a superior choice. Those that are extremely biased toward NEW GNR and it's musicians need to wake up to some harsh realities. One, you are in the vast minority when it comes to anything happening with the band right now. Forget hardcore original fans, you lose to the casual fan which comes in even greater numbers. Two, this website and all of its ongoing discussions wouldn't be occurring w/o the original members/band. Lastly, and most importantly, the original members play the music better than anybody else in the world -- because its their music with their idiosyncrasies stamped all over it. If you want to see Frank and Fortus rather than Adler, Izzy, or Sorum ... then you don't really want to see GNR. You want to see a different band entirely. That's the long, short and ultimate reality of it. There's a lot of semantics there and arguments I simply do not wish to entertain. Needless to say, I think you are wrong. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Guys have your say without resorting to personal attacks please. On topic: I hope Steven is allowed to bang out a couple tunes, would be cool but I am under no illusions he would be able to tour much Edited March 30, 2016 by gunsguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacu44 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 All this talk of Adler and I am here wanting to know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 22 minutes ago, pacu44 said: All this talk of Adler and I am here wanting to know Maybe he is in Axls Ass now instead of Slash, sort of like a carousel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunners fan Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, sonofnazareth said: you don't know that. I don't have to....Duff knows... Go google his account of what happened with Steven in Japan a few short years back...he made the mistake of taking him along to open for Loaded....its all out there... 14 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: Do you know him? Maybe he's doing okay now. Sounds like you're projecting your personal feelings for someone you do know, onto Steven. If you think Frank is a better drummer that's okay, that's your opinion. But no need to be a mean spirited little cunt about it aye? "aye"...?? what you a pirate of summthin?? read my above post "mate" Edited March 30, 2016 by gunners fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofnazareth Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 57 minutes ago, gunners fan said: I don't have to....Duff knows... Go google his account of what happened with Steven in Japan a few short years back...he made the mistake of taking him along to open for Loaded....its all out there... "aye"...?? what you a pirate of summthin?? read my above post "mate" Steven played well on that tour regardless of his vice/vices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 14 hours ago, CardinalGunner said: There's a lot of semantics there and arguments I simply do not wish to entertain. Needless to say, I think you are wrong. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Peace. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYWIFEMYLIFE Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (W. AXL ROSE- IZZY STRADLIN- DUFF MCKAGAN - STEVEN ADLER - DIZZY REED - / ) IS GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 On 28-3-2016 at 3:36 PM, Original said: He's a hell of a drummer. It's not rocket science, he's been drumming his whole life. I also thought he played some of UYI live with Guns, but I could be wrong. Either way, he won't butcher the songs like Frank. **He has played Civil War with Guns and they played Don't Cry in the early days too. and KOHD, let's not forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeADog93 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, action said: and KOHD, let's not forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqzsgXOP-M Nobody can play that song like Steven. Nobody!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebones Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I don't know if Duff changed his mind after the Japan tour, but look what he said about Adler in 2009 http://bravewords.com/news/duff-mckagan-the-drugs-did-not-steal-steven-adlers-talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 28 minutes ago, action said: and KOHD, let's not forget People never mention LIES.. There are 8 great songs on that album that Steven was a part of as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 22 hours ago, SoulMonster said: Yeah, I was just joking. Among the RnR world there is definitely some that have heard of Adler. Out of likes, but this is so true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redout Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 hours ago, gunners fan said: I don't have to....Duff knows... Go google his account of what happened with Steven in Japan a few short years back...he made the mistake of taking him along to open for Loaded....its all out there... Wasnt this what caused Steven to go sober permanently as he was completely embarassed over the events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, action said: and KOHD, let's not forget He played Back Off Bitch live too. He would also have played Bad Obsession, in rehearsal at least, as they wrote that in the early days. Same with YCBM, that was an AFD era written song. Also, you can hear him play drums on demo versions of Locomotive, Don't Damn me, Dust N Bones and Garden of Eden on the Full Mates rehearsal on youtube. Plus he drummed on lots more uyi tracks in the writing process: Perfect Crime, November Rain, Coma, 14 Years, Yesterdays. They are listed on various rehearsal lists on setlist.com. So he has actually played loads of UYI. Edited March 30, 2016 by Nice Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 steven will stay sober the possibility of playing again with GNR is too important for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 20 hours ago, Original said: Frank did a decent job subbing, however it's time for the big Guns to step back in. ^^^^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 20 hours ago, Original said: Frank did a decent job subbing, however it's time for the big Guns to step back in. Frank should get some of the guys together and start NuGuns era CD tribute band! There isn't one that I know of.. There has to be a demand for it right? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Frank should get some of the guys together and start NuGuns era CD tribute band! There isn't one that I know of.. There has to be a demand for it right? lol Good point. People were saying how talented and good NuGuns was. Well- let's see em go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 21 hours ago, CardinalGunner said: Add me to the camp that prefers Frank be the full-time drummer. Much respect for Adler and Matt, but better to leave their time in the band to GnR history. Let Frank carry that torch now. Torch? What torch? This is a rock band, made of mortal human beings. That aside, good indication Steven is in. Now we need Izzy, then they got my interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 i hope there will be some popcorn at the shows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalGunner Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 On 3/30/2016 at 11:26 AM, AncientEvil80 said: Torch? What torch? This is a rock band, made of mortal human beings. That aside, good indication Steven is in. Now we need Izzy, then they got my interest. Its a metaphor. I don't think it makes much sense to split drumming duties.. Frank has done a great job the last 10 years (longer time in the band than either Adler or Sorum btw). If he is available, I think he is the best person for this role. If its AFD 5 for you or bust, I think you will miss out on some historic shit! But to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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