Silent Jay Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Izzy is gone, long live Chinese Democracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DexAxl Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: The only person who should care is Izzy. GNR is a business, too. It would be stupid to give cash to a guy 90% of the public do not care about. Now, had Izzy been in VR or another project with mainstream visibility then I could understand he would have something to being to the table, but his inclusion is just romanticizing of forum fans. Nobody else cares. Fuck, GNR did well with only Axl. So Izzy is just Izzy. Well pretty sure a lot of fans just started hating Axl more than ever. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stella Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Axl, Slash and Duff have been managing the catalogue for the past 20+ years. They've been working their asses off on this. Why in God's name *should* someone who hasn't been in the band since 1991, and hasn't had any part in the management and behind the scenes stuff, get paid the same as them?! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewolfshead Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, DexAxl said: Well pretty sure a lot of fans just started hating Axl more than ever. They would anyway, proof is taking Izzy's word as gospel when either side could be misrepresenting things, or both. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: 3 minutes ago, Silent Jay said: Izzy is gone, long live Chinese Democracy ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NicDwolfwood Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gackt said: Axl & Duff are a lot more tight than Axl & Izzy; call it favoritism, but it's well-documented that Duff has always been Axl's yes-man from the original line-up, and will reap the benefits from that Izzy simply isn't as valuable to the success of a reunion tour huh? Since fucking when is Duff some Axl yes man? If he was a Yes man, he wouldnt have fucking quit the band and just stayed and followed Axl like a dog 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: The only person who should care is Izzy. GNR is a business, too. It would be stupid to give cash to a guy 90% of the public do not care about. Now, had Izzy been in VR or another project with mainstream visibility then I could understand he would have something to being to the table, but his inclusion is just romanticizing of forum fans. Nobody else cares. Fuck, GNR did well with only Axl. So Izzy is just Izzy. Youre missing what Im saying. Im not thinking of this from a "buisness" perceptive. Jusy because something makes the most money or fills seats doesnt make it right Again, whatever, I like Fortus and loved the gigs I saw this year. I still think Izzy had every right to be offered what Duff, Slash, and Axl got 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Were fans I dont give a fuck what good "buisness" is or the "brand value". Lol what a load of trash. I think of GNR the band, not GNR the buisness. Its a reunion. Reunions are usually a fresh start sort of thing. Who cares if he left in 91 (which he needed to for his well being)? All 5 of those guys helped build the band in the old days. They all deserve to have been given a chance here based on the ethical, right choice. But hey, it is what it is. Im not going to stop loving this lineup. It works for my personal taste but I dont blame others for being mad about this. It sucks money got in the way, plain and simple This was never marketed as a full fledged reunion, though. The fans and media turned it that way. In addition, GNR is a band and a business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbat81 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, DexAxl said: Well pretty sure a lot of fans just started hating Axl more than ever. But Izzy clearly said "they".... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, stella said: Axl, Slash and Duff have been managing the catalogue for the past 20+ years. They've been working their asses off on this. Why in God's name *should* someone who hasn't been in the band since 1991, and hasn't had any part in the management and behind the scenes stuff, get paid the same as them?! This tour isnt about what people did in terms of licensing music the past 20 years. Wtf are you talking about 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexAxl Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jbat81 said: But Izzy clearly said "they".... Oh shut up you know who is boss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Draguns said: This was never marketed as a full fledged reunion, though. The fans and media turned it that way. In addition, GNR is a band and a business. Yes it was. The merchandise is nostalgia based, the set relies on the classics, the band has called it a reunion, and even the stage is a modern UYI stage. Come on... Sure they didnt say Izzy is involved, but it is clearly marketed as a reunion. Hell, it is a reunion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said: This tour isnt about what people did in terms of licensing music the past 20 years. Wtf are you talking about The three of them kept GNR's name in the mainstream by performing in public over the last 20 years. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Modano09 Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, ZoSoRose said: This tour isnt about what people did in terms of licensing music the past 20 years. Wtf are you talking about The point is 3 people cared enough about GNR to fight to keep some ownership of it and control how it was used for the past 20 years, and those 3 people feel they deserve more than someone who quit 25 years ago and had no interest in the band since. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stella Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: This tour isnt about what people did in terms of licensing music the past 20 years. Wtf are you talking about The point is that Axl, Slash and Duff have done a lot of work for GnR for a long time, including putting together this tour. What they're getting paid for this tour represents all that behind the scenes work, both on this tour and over time. Did Izzy plan this tour? Did he and his management team take care of all of the legalities and logistics? No. Why in God's name should Izzy get paid the same as them for doing less work? Edited September 8, 2016 by stella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, NicDwolfwood said: huh? Since fucking when is Duff some Axl yes man? If he was a Yes man, he wouldnt have fucking quit the band and just stayed and followed Axl like a dog Everybody's patience with Axl ran out in the later half of the 90's, Duff just hung on till '97 after years of following Axl on his industrial crusade leading nowhere He quickly came back in 2010 to do guest appearances and became a big presence in 2014, so he's basically the #2 of the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, Draguns said: The three of them kept GNR's name in the mainstream by performing in public over the last 20 years. . Not really. And that has nothing to do with them getting paid for thks tout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said: Yes it was. The merchandise is nostalgia based, the set relies on the classics, the band has called it a reunion, and even the stage is a modern UYI stage. Come on... Sure they didnt say Izzy is involved, but it is clearly marketed as a reunion. Hell, it is a reunion No, the band never said it was a reunion. YOU are perceiving it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, Draguns said: No, the band never said it was a reunion. YOU are perceiving it that way. Wrong. Axl literally called it a reunion in the china exchange interview 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said: Not really. And that has nothing to do with them getting paid for thks tout What do you mean not really?! Slash and Duff were in VR that played GNR covers. In addition, Slash has performed as a solo act, which he did GNR songs. Axl did his own version of GNR and played GNR songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vloors Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 43 minutes ago, coolranchdressing! said: Am I the only one that feels mad at Izzy? I guess I'm selfish because I feel like he should've just taken what was offered so I could've seen him up there! And come on, this is no surprise; the band members are paid differently all along (or at least around 1989 or something) ?? I feel Izzy is only there for money not for fans or anything else or he would be doing at least a few guest appearances like adler is doing. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Wrong. Axl literally called it a reunion in the china exchange interview It's a reunion with Slash and Duff. Not a full fledged reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Draguns said: What do you mean not really?! Slash and Duff were in VR that played GNR covers. In addition, Slash has performed as a solo act, which he did GNR songs. Axl did his own version of GNR and played GNR songs. So izzy doesnt deserve to be here because he hasnt played gnr covers over the years? ...What? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicDwolfwood Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gackt said: Everybody's patience with Axl ran out in the later half of the 90's, Duff just hung on till '97 after years of following Axl on his industrial crusade leading nowhere He quickly came back in 2010 to do guest appearances and became a big presence in 2014, so he's basically the #2 of the band Thats aboslutely false. Duff formed Neurotic Outsiders with Steve Jones, Sorum and John Taylor and made a record and toured the album between 95 and 97 which is when he quit. Far from sitting at the feet of master Axl waiting for him to do shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Draguns said: No, the band never said it was a reunion. YOU are perceiving it that way. 1 minute ago, Draguns said: It's a reunion with Slash and Duff. Not a full fledged reunion. Lol this guy Have a nice night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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