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So, I'll give it a go and write my piece on Munich, too. Even though I agree with everything @Lumikki already wrote. It still has gotten kinda lengthy, I hope you don't mind. All in all, it was j

Alright, they are already in Prague so I know I'm taking a risk of being kicked in the ass, but I couldn't help myself  What if AFD5 were "enjoying" today's social media...   

Since the tour's over I managed to get an exclusive interview with the band members  (In the memory of Mr. David Tang)

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16 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Bascially I'm here just to make my songs, everything else is just second fiddle, and if I gotta deal with this crap on top of it, life's bullshit, then you just kinda get discouraged on the whole thing, 'cause you know that you can always go and figure out how to scrounge up the money for a room, and still write you songs.

Why does he use that word? "scrounge up the money"?

It is a good interview. Great to read it after so many years, like foreseeing the future....... some things did not come out the way he had thought of them. Others seem contradictory to what he shows about himself.

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3 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Why does he use that word? "scrounge up the money"?

I guess he means that sometimes he feels it's not worth to have to deal with the band's problems, the business aspect etc, ie. everything other that making songs; and that he could quit all this (including the big money) because it would be easier and less frustrating for him to just have to come up with some money for a room. 

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4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I guess he means that sometimes he feels it's not worth to have to deal with the band's problems, the business aspect etc, ie. everything other that making songs; and that he could quit all this (including the big money) because it would be easier and less frustrating for him to just have to come up with some money for a room. 

omg lolAxl :lol:

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9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

lol you say because of some of the passive-aggressive answers? :ph34r:

Yes, especially the parts where he talks about what discourages him and he dislikes, the "crap" in the band, who his friends are etc. A couple more:

HP: Is it hard to keep all the fame from going to your head?
AR: Yeah, but at the same time, I have a certain close group of friends that I try to spend as much time with as possible... and it's like for some reason Guns N' Roses is always on the brink of some kind of disaster and whenever there's a major problem, it's amazing that I get a few phone calls from a few of those close friends. Well these same people help keep me in perspective of myself.

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HP: What's the most valuable thing you've learned since you became successful?
AR: Never underestimate yourself or anyone else around you, and especially never underestimate your opponent.

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25 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, especially the parts where he talks about what discourages him and he dislikes, the "crap" in the band, who his friends are etc. A couple more:

HP: Is it hard to keep all the fame from going to your head?
AR: Yeah, but at the same time, I have a certain close group of friends that I try to spend as much time with as possible... and it's like for some reason Guns N' Roses is always on the brink of some kind of disaster and whenever there's a major problem, it's amazing that I get a few phone calls from a few of those close friends. Well these same people help keep me in perspective of myself.

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HP: What's the most valuable thing you've learned since you became successful?
AR: Never underestimate yourself or anyone else around you, and especially never underestimate your opponent.

oh, to me the passive-aggressive ones were:

HP: What are some of the characteristics in people that you have the most respect for?
AR: Honesty. A person that sticks to their guns and follows their heart over everything else, strength and persistence, and a person who can find the courage to bounce back when it would be easier not to.
HP: And which characteristics do you depise?
AR: People that have the brains and intelligence to actually create something, but they take the easy way to get the fast buck, rather than be themselves. I also hate dishonesty.

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I wonder what he means by "discreet" women. Women not in the public eye? That's the opposite of models. But he does like them intelligent, heehee.

I know I go on and on about his taste in women a bit much, but it's always made me curious. His taste in women and his treatment of women are things that make it hard to like him, but I have loved him since I was 11. Even though I am happily married and may never meet him, I have an unhealthy obsession with trying to learn who the Real Axl Rose is...

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6 minutes ago, killuridols said:

oh, to me the passive-aggressive ones were:

HP: What are some of the characteristics in people that you have the most respect for?
AR: Honesty. A person that sticks to their guns and follows their heart over everything else, strength and persistence, and a person who can find the courage to bounce back when it would be easier not to.
HP: And which characteristics do you depise?
AR: People that have the brains and intelligence to actually create something, but they take the easy way to get the fast buck, rather than be themselves. I also hate dishonesty.

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I don't know... the first one especially wasn't among the ones that stroke me much as implying something. It seems to me that he speaks more in general here, because he had said similar things in old interviews.

I had also in mind the part @Fang pointed out about "discreet" women. It probably alludes to things "leaking" in magazines from Stephanie's side, like the one I posted the other day about Axl wanting her to do therapy with him. And, most importantly, he doesn't mention her at all in this interview and he doesn't come out as positive as in other interviews from that period. If the date is correct, this interview was before his RS one.

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27 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't know... the first one especially wasn't among the ones that stroke me much as implying something. It seems to me that he speaks more in general here, because he had said similar things in old interviews.

I had also in mind the part @Fang pointed out about "discreet" women. It probably alludes to things "leaking" in magazines from Stephanie's side, like the one I posted the other day about Axl wanting her to do therapy with him. And, most importantly, he doesn't mention her at all in this interview and he doesn't come out as positive as in other interviews from that period. If the date is correct, this interview was before his RS one.

I thought he would be talking about Slash being creative and all that but not wanting to use his skills for GN'R but to go playing with Michael Jackson and other "easy money" things he wanted to do outside the band.

I think I remember him complaining about such things about Slash, not sure... :shrugs:

As for women, yeah, you're right.... he could be talking about Steph.... what month in 1992 was this article from?

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1 minute ago, killuridols said:

As for women, yeah, you're right.... he could be talking about Steph.... what month in 1992 was this article from?

March (obviously the interview took place maybe a month before or more), if the date is correct. His RS interview was in April.

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43 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

March (obviously the interview took place maybe a month before or more), if the date is correct. His RS interview was in April.

Hmmm... lol I dont know! I thought by then they were doing "great" :wacko: but the more we've been diggin' this lately, the more shit comes out to show they were pretty unstable and not as happy as he wanted to paint it :shrugs:

What did he say in RS about Steph? I dont remember now, I'm awful :max:..... I just know that there is the Interview mag interview (lol) published on May 1992, where he is with Stephanie on the cover but he talks about receiving the call from Izzy leaving the band when he was taking those pics with Stephanie... didn't Izzy leave in November 1991? :question:

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And there is also the interview for Musician Magazine, published in June 1992, where he talks about crying over the U2's song "One" because it made him understand his marriage with Erin had gone wrong because they were damaged people. So, maybe that's the time when he was thinking about going back with her? :question:

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I have become unaccostumed with the time things took to get published in the 90's versus now that you get stuff gone on air the very same day they happen, so figuring out dates its kinda hard......
Bottom line, 1992 was the year all of his positive views on the relationship came out but at the same time, they got out late and he was actually having a bad time with her?

loooooooooooool what a mess! :facepalm: :bitchfight:

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@killuridols in the RS interview he said about the same is in Interview magazine, ie. that Steph supported him etc.

About the timings: Judging from other interviews in which there is reference on when they took place, I think that, in the case of magazines, it was at least a month before, usually more.

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4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

@killuridols in the RS interview he said about the same is in Interview magazine, ie. that Steph supported him etc.

About the timings: Judging from other interviews in which there is reference on when they took place, I think that, in the case of magazines, it was at least a month before, usually more.

Ok.

Yeah, because they also included exclusive photoshoots and I guess there must have been a lot of going back & forth with needing the approval for this or that shot, blah blah, same with interview....

lol, how times have changed :P

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6 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

Personally, I'm totally against people having children for the sake of it, just to fullfill their needs of companion, a partner or whatever hole they have in their lives. Like I said before, I advocate for quality of life and not for just "living" because someone said so. Don't bring children to this world if you're gonna be a jerk to them, cause them emotional problems and wreck them for life. We already have too many people fucked up by selfish people who couldn't stop themselves from being egotistical fucks. Axl himself is the product of two people who were not meant to have children and shouldn't have raised any child because they were totally inept.

It looks to me back in the day he was pretty aware of this line of thought and that is something to admire on him. I don't know what is his take now. Seems like he's still on that line. We, as humans, can do much more than just reproduce ourselves like rabbits. It is time that we start looking for quality of life, not quantity.

 

These words,  I agree 100% with this especially because I always see people wanting to fill the void with a kid, sometimes it gives me the impression that some people think of a child as a puppy or something that ain't a big deal.

A kid is a lifetime compromise. 

But returning to Axl, idk, he may not be a role model and he may have issues, but lets be honest, most of parents aren't super qualified to be parents... 

The guy has money, lots of servants (TB)  can I call them that? ( not very professional in my eyes)  and he doesn't look to crazy to me nowadays, I can't say much about him because  I don't know him, but for what I have read in here he has his moments, but I wouldn't say he isn't apt to have a son/daughter.

So I would say it is his decision and his right for that matter. I mean MJ had kids and they look pretty normal to me... idk that's my opinion

 

10 hours ago, money honey said:

That is an appalling prospect, mostly because it's not unlikely. If he stays single and childless, I hope he leaves all his money to animals' charities. 

Poor guy. 

I think so too. Nobody needs to be perfect to be a parent. He would certainly have the financial side sorted. With the benefit of years now, he'd be as good a father as anyone.

I  hope he reproduce soon  even if it is with Sasha (at this rate it doesn't matter). 

it is either that  or what Frey said..:scared:

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Reading everyone's thoughts on whether or Axl would make a good parent has me wondering anyone from the GNR camp actually lurks this thread. I know Axl has an account registered to myGNR as Dexter, which hasn't been used in a few years.  It still makes one wonder if he (or anyone who associates with Axl in real life) has other accounts that are used specifically for the purpose of lurking. 

If any of that is the case, hopefully someone catches onto this advice and applies it to his/Axl's life.

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Gawwwd, it's hurting my eyes to read about Axl should be having a kid. A child is not to fill voids, to enrich lives or become an heir in order to keep the money on the right side or any of it. There are so many hints that Axl is a truly damaged soul. I wish him all the best and he kind of seems to be in a good place right now. But even that has been asked as he seemd sad to some posters here.

To me this kind of thinking is very cruel towards this unborn child, really, I'm not kidding you.

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, don't get me wrong.

I hope they're not lurking here because they probably wouldn't pick the adivce I'd approve of. lol But I guess they have been at one point or another. This thread is so full of weirdness and proud femininity, I guess non of the GnR guys could handle this. Or understand.

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Storys of that kind with interviewing Axl Rose would at least have taken 2 until 4 months of preparation before printing. Still today editorial staff can only plan within 2 months. Even if they wanted to be fast and make space in the next possible magazine (which is unlikely because everything has been planned 2-4 months in advance) it would have taken 2 months with the interview needing to take place and the foto shoot with all those people involved and equipment and dates. The deadline for editorial material let alone is set 2 weeks-7 days before printing time. And the interview has to get written an revisited and so on.

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I don't think we can compare romantic relationships to relationships between parent and child.  I don't think anyones past relationships can determine how good a parent they can be.  I've known some fiery so and so's who are jealous, wild and combative with their partners, only to be an amazing nurturer to their children...

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14 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

Yup, I'm a parent. I honestly speaking was like Axl and never wanted to have a kid because a kid would have been an obstical in my socialite life and my international travels. But when I got my daughter when I was 34 yrs all changed. I still do socialising and travel a lot  but at the same time she has changed me as a person a lot. Axl is a very lovely and spy person. With the age and time he has changed as well and he definitely would be an amazing loving father. 

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25 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

yes I have kids. 

 

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1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

Plenty of people here have kids. Off the top of my head I remember for example MillionsOfSpiders, money honey, janrichmond and Tori72 mentioning their children.

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And I'm taking this here to not derail the Izzy thread any further...

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

 

11 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

She means heresay.

From all the GNR related stuff I've seen and watched, I've never seen Slash treat a woman like she's garbage.

11 hours ago, Archtop said:

Really? Read his book even he admits he didn't treat some of his exes very well. It's been a long time since I have read it ,but I think he was pretty awful to his first wife and also I don't think he was very polite about Meegan either. 

@Frey I saw the tweet because @Cold Jen Time answered it, I only know about her from the women's thread, she was pregnant with Dizzy's baby I think. (Wow, I hope I'm remembering this correctly) So it looks like she has something with Slash as well. How awkward.

10 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

I'm not surprised at all. There was a time (no pun intended :lol:) when Slash probably just allowed his penis to do all the thinking. He slept with Perla the night before his wedding with Renee, come on... :facepalm:

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

She didn't say & I think It was Baz's marriage that she ruined. :no:

Well, obviously she exaggerates but I'm sure this will still cause a lot of problems when it comes out. I feel bad for Meegan, honestly. :wacko: Hopefully whatever happened with Roxana was before Meegan was involved with him.

 

I agree with @Archtop and @Darkenchantress. Slash might not have taken it to the extremes Axl and Izzy did, but the guy is no saint either when it comes to his treatment of women.

Apart from the examples already mentioned, the "It's amazing how much abuse women will take..." quote we recently had here immediately comes to mind.

And if Miss Shirazi truly has emails and messages with "incriminating" material (or at least stuff that will make Slash appear in very bad light), then she is perfectly capable of causing drama and problems for Slash, same as she did with Baz and Dizzy.

Also, am I remembering this wrong or did someone here in this thread once mention that Slash actually follows Roxana Shirazi on Twitter?

If so, he probably saw those birthday wishes :lol::facepalm:

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Gonna comment on some other stuff here later...

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

Plenty of people here have kids. Off the top of my head I remember for example MillionsOfSpiders, money honey, janrichmond and Tori72 mentioning their children.

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Ah, ok, that's cool.  I was only asking because I noticed that no-one seemed to be drawing on their own parenting experiences during the discussion so just wondered.  I am a parent myself.  My own take on it is that I don't think anyone can really say with confidence whether or not they will make a good parent, or if someone they know will, until they are one (even then you're constantly questioning).  Nothing really prepares you, no matter how prepared you think you are, or aren't.  I've known some people who were convinced they'd be these Earth Mother/Father types and they turned out to really struggle, and others who were terrified of the prospect because they thought they'd fuck up big time, who ended up doing a great job.  And different stages of parenting require different skills, strategies and insights.  The way you parent during the baby and infant stage is vastly different to how you parent when they're at primary school and again when they're a teenager etc...some people are better at one stage than another.  Anyway, I respect Axl's decision to not have any.  I respect anyone's decision to not have any, really.

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