SoulMonster Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, soon said: Oh come now, you at least know the website that you posted from! Yaaaassss Dies, buzzfeeds fyre Probably just a link he saw on twitter, from some of the alt right accounts he follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Padme said: Extension confirmed. Now there is time for an election, more negotiations and a smooth transition The election baring a miracle means hard brexit. The increased Lib Dem support means increased odds of a conservative majority. First past the post litterally means vote Lib Dem and get Tory. The Lib Dems know this too. The SNP also know this increases the odds of Scotish independence and since they're likely to wipe the Torries out in Scotland this time... Also if it's till Jan 31st, you're litterally talking 6-7 weeks off for an election, then a week back before the 3 week winter recess. Meaning you end up back with having to get a deal through parliment in 2 weeks, which only gets passed if the Torries have a majority. The end point of which deal is a transition followed by a hard brexit anyway (out of the customs and single market). It's a charade. edit Edited October 28, 2019 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, AtariLegend said: The election baring a miracle means hard brexit. The increased Lib Dem support means increased odds of a conservative majority. First past the post litterally means vote Lib Dem and get Tory. The Lib Dems know this too. The SNP also know this increases the odds of Scotish independence and since they're likely to wipe the Torries out in Scotland this time... Also if it's till Jan 31st, you're litterally talking 6-7 weeks off for an election, then a week back before the 3 week winter recess. Meaning you end up back with having to get a deal through parliment in 2 weeks, which only gets passed if the Torries have a majority. The end point of which deal is a transition followed by a hard brexit anyway (out of the customs and single market). It's a charade. A general election is what I have been advocating for ages now, and I have to at least give some respect to the Lib Dems and SNP for having more bollocks than Comrade Corbyn who is utterly scared at the prospect as Labour will be wiped out. There is also no evidence it'll indicate ''hard-Brexit'' - where are you pulling that one from? If Boris obtains his majority he'll presumably re-submit his withdrawal agreement. PS Quote Labour MP Stephen Timms: "I hope Keith Vaz stands as an MP again." Julia: "Why do you hope that a man who offered to buy cocaine for male prostitutes should be standing as a Labour MP?" Haha. Edited October 29, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 So General Election it is. Will people complain that this invalidates their vote in the past election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: A general election is what I have been advocating for ages now, and I have to at least give some respect to the Lib Dems and SNP for having more bollocks than Comrade Corbyn who is utterly scared at the prospect as Labour will be wiped out. Hmm? Hasn't Corbyn agreed to a new general election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: Hmm? Hasn't Corbyn agreed to a new general election? Now he has. When I wrote that he hadn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Now he has. When I wrote that he hadn't. When you wrote it, he said he wouldn't support it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: When you wrote it, he said he wouldn't support it? Jesus, Soul. Give it a rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Jesus, Soul. Give it a rest. So you were just assuming he wouldn't agree to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 An election means that we will be seeing more of the ladies in the media and watching more Hartly-Brewer! But the more I think about it, Nandy and I should just take off and start our own commune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: So you were just assuming he wouldn't agree to it? It would have been a fair assumption considering he has hitherto voted against a a snap election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It would have been a fair assumption considering he has hitherto voted against a a snap election. I guess you learnt something today, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I guess you learnt something today, then. Thrice Corbyn has whipped Labour into voting against a government motion on a snap election, 4th September, 10th September and 28th October. PS Prediction: Boris majority with Labour haemorrhaging voters to the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. Brexit Party might pick-up two-four northern seats but won't do as well as they'd like. Real mystery is performance of Liberal Democrats now that they have dressed themselves up in unbridled remainism? Thing they'll definitely increase their proportion but anything less than 20 MPs could be seen as a failure for them given the hyperbole. Real winners from the collapse of Labour however: Conservatives. Either it will be a reasonable majority or a landslide. Caution tells me the former. None of this matters however as I'm sure ''remain'' will merely add up all of the losing parties to produce a victory as with the European Elections. Edited October 29, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Real winners from the collapse of Labour however: Conservatives. Real winners could be Labour in the long term if this means they get rid of Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Skimming wikipedia, Corbyn seems like a very respectable politician who grew the party and gave it better values. What are the criticisms of him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, soon said: Skimming wikipedia, Corbyn seems like a very respectable politician who grew the party and gave it better values. What are the criticisms of him? Mainly that he supports Arsenal. Otherwise he seems like a fine human being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Mainly that he supports Arsenal. Otherwise he seems like a fine human being. If you were to ask Daisy, though, because he seems to thoroughly detest Corbyn, the answer is likely the preposterous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite and the imprecise claim that he is a flip-flopper in regards to Brexit. But underneath all this is the explanation that he simply ticks of all hate-boxes Daisy have: like being concerned about the climate (he bikes and is a vegetarian), being on the left side of the spectrum, not being brash and vulgar, neither explicitly working class nor posh (so not something Daisy can identify with or aspire to), and his support to remain in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, soon said: Skimming wikipedia, Corbyn seems like a very respectable politician who grew the party and gave it better values. What are the criticisms of him? That they think he's an IRA sympathising, wishy-washy communist that turns a blind eye to anti-semitism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, Len Cnut said: That they think he's an IRA sympathising, wishy-washy communist that turns a blind eye to anti-semitism. Remember the headlines about Milliand who was Jewish, father? 1924 a few days before the election, the Mail published a made up letter saying that there a planned uprising by communists and Labour. It's always the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: If you were to ask Daisy, though, because he seems to thoroughly detest Corbyn, the answer is likely the preposterous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite and the imprecise claim that he is a flip-flopper in regards to Brexit. But underneath all this is the explanation that he simply ticks of all hate-boxes Daisy have: like being concerned about the climate (he bikes and is a vegetarian), being on the left side of the spectrum, not being brash and vulgar, neither explicitly working class nor posh (so not something Daisy can identify with or aspire to), and his support to remain in the EU. You are utterly obsessed with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: That they think he's an IRA sympathising, wishy-washy communist that turns a blind eye to anti-semitism. Thanks. Sounds like some typical anti Marxist smear campaign stuff. Some accusations of antisemitism from within his own party though! Seems like people putting their own career ambitions ahead of the party, maybe? Even the progressives in the US Congress are getting the whole antisemitism smear attacks oddly the antisemitism that festered in the first international was against Marx, suggesting communism was just the flip side of the coin in some alleged ‘Jewish conspiracy.’ Corbyn strikes me as an admirable leader and devoted public servant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 53 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: If you were to ask Daisy, though, because he seems to thoroughly detest Corbyn, the answer is likely the preposterous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite and the imprecise claim that he is a flip-flopper in regards to Brexit. But underneath all this is the explanation that he simply ticks of all hate-boxes Daisy have: like being concerned about the climate (he bikes and is a vegetarian), being on the left side of the spectrum, not being brash and vulgar, neither explicitly working class nor posh (so not something Daisy can identify with or aspire to), and his support to remain in the EU. Just recently I would have thought that you were exaggerating for effect. But now I’m not so sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 59 minutes ago, soon said: Just recently I would have thought that you were exaggerating for effect. But now I’m not so sure! It is a wonderful world when hyperbole and reality seem to overlap. 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: You are utterly obsessed with me! It was spot on, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: It is a wonderful world when hyperbole and reality seem to overlap. It was spot on, though? Not really. You have him as a ''flip-flopper in regards to Brexit'' before claiming that he is a supporter of remaining in the EU. Even the flimsiest glance at Corbyn's political career will demonstrate that he voted against every EU policy occurring, Lisbon, Maastricht - campaigned to withdraw in 1975 - etc etc. He was largely absent from the remain campaign much to the chagrin of Labour remainers. I also do not believe I have ever called Corbyn an antisemite per se unless I was being facetious, but said that his party is riddled in an antisemitic scandal which is factually correct. Boris Johnson bikes, and he holds antithetical beliefs to Corbyn; Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian: point? Dazey disagrees with me on the EU yet he dislikes Corbyn - probably more than me as I wouldn't vote Labour irrespective of who leads them, thus I cannot really be disappointed in Corbyn as I think Labour are utterly rancid full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Corbyn wanting to flood the electorate with 16 year olds and EU nationals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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