AtariLegend Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: You are willing to vote for an antisemitic party just because of sodden Brexit? https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/two-conservative-candidates-suspended-over-anti-semitism-and-holocaust-comments/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 All this antisemitism business is perplexing. Cant you all just unite around the captivating Luciana Berger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, AtariLegend said: https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/two-conservative-candidates-suspended-over-anti-semitism-and-holocaust-comments/ Don't really know why you have posted this but, Quote The Conservative party has suspended two of its parliamentary candidates I.e., has been proactive in combating antisemitism in its ranks. Regardless, pointing out antisemitism in Labour is not an endorsement for the Conservatives. Irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) It's amazing how Corbyn is being memed as anti-semitic. The guy seems to just be an old left anti-zionist. I guess that is anti-semitism nowadays. Edit: Same with Ilhan Omar, she got branded an anti-semite because she told the truth about the Israel Lobby in the US. Edited November 27, 2019 by Basic_GnR_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 This is basically it, I'm not really a Corbyn/Labour fan but from an outside standpoint it seems like opposition to Israeli government policy is being falsely conflated with a racist dislike of Jewish people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 More his supporters, Momentum, and his refusal to discipline those supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Smears of antisemitism have become commonplace against Marxist informed public figures for some time. Interesting to note is that in the First International antisemitism was manifest against Marxists, notably the Jewish guy Marx. His contemporary Bakunin evoked a widely held antiseptic notion of his day in suggesting that authoritarian state communism would require a central bank, with the erroneous assumption being that all central banks would be run by Jews (like just magically - as if an authoritarian anti capitalist state had no say in the matter! lol). His quotes are vile and also contested for precision, but his views amounted to the false idea that Marxism and Capitalism were two faces of a jewish conspiracy. Id like to explore the phenomena of accusations of antisemetism in smear campaigns against marxist informed people more. When and how did this begin? One thing that comes to mind to research is how the PLO trained the US' Weather Underground and Canadas FLQ. I beleive they have also trained the IRA, but Id have to double check. Regardless WU, FLQ and IRA have trained and supported one another so the PLOs support has benefited them all. The PLO, like almost all liberation forces, is Marxist informed. So are elements of Kurdish forces that the US and West allied with recently. When the smear is applied and when it isn't is also of interest to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: More his supporters, Momentum, and his refusal to discipline those supporters. Is that really it, or the fact that a Corbyn led government would shift British foreign policy in the middle east? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: Is that really it, or the fact that a Corbyn led government would shift British foreign policy in the middle east? There is definite antisemitism coming from Momentum and Momentum like circles, including Jewish characters with hooked noses, something you'd see in Nazi German. It is all over the web. PS The big example for Corbyn's anti-zionist/capitalism/American transpiring into more overtly racist tones was this story, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5885339/jeremy-corbyn-fury-anti-semitic-art/ Edited November 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 There is certainly some truth in it when you have Labour MPs criticising their own party, and then there are the defections: Louise Ellman, Luciana Berger and Ara Darzi directly, as well as Joan Ryan, Gavin Shuker, Angela Smith, Mike Gapes, Ann Coffey, Chris Leslie, Ian Austin, Leslie Turnberg and David Triesman. That is twelve - twelve - Members of Parliament who have quit Her Majesty's Opposition, citing antisemitism as either the primary reason or one of the reasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, soon said: All this antisemitism business is perplexing. Cant you all just unite around the captivating Luciana Berger? No.... because she's vile. 42 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Alf Garnett sitting on the far right, there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: There is definite antisemitism coming from Momentum and Momentum like circles, including Jewish characters with hooked noses, something you'd see in Nazi German. It is all over the web. PS The big example for Corbyn's anti-zionist/capitalism/American transpiring into more overtly racist tones was this story, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5885339/jeremy-corbyn-fury-anti-semitic-art/ I'm just not buying this is the actual reason media and business elites are sour on Corbyn. My view is it's his actual left/populist economic views mixed with his anti-zionist foreign policy outlook that has doomed him with the Kingmakers. This artwork is for the low info public to fight over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Brexit has sent me round the bend. I've just been on Twitter and it's just the pits. 65 unread messages and counting after some gentle trolling. About the size of Nicola Sturgeons penis admittedly. Edited November 27, 2019 by spunko12345 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: No.... because she's vile. What? You dont think she's fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: I'm just not buying this is the actual reason media and business elites are sour on Corbyn. My view is it's his actual left/populist economic views mixed with his anti-zionist foreign policy outlook that has doomed him with the Kingmakers. This artwork is for the low info public to fight over. I don't believe he is antisemitism per se but is certainly anti-zionist/USA/capitalism, all of which can transpire into antisemitism. Momentum and certain sections of Labour are definitely antisemitic. Corbyn has failed to excise the leadership required to stamp out antisemitism, influenced by his own inclinations. It is a bit like his stance on Brexit during the referendum? He technically campaigned for remain, but in reality you barely saw him as his own inclination is leave based on years of opposition to the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 50 minutes ago, soon said: What? You dont think she's fine? She's no Priti Patel, that's for sure. A massive drop in standards by you on that one, I must say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Soon has a thing for our Parliamentarians. Probably wanks off to Diane Abbott. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: She's no Priti Patel, that's for sure. A massive drop in standards by you on that one, I must say. That lady I posted is exquisite! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1. Priti Patel 2. Heidi Allen 3. Probably Liz Truss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Can we stop this Priti Patel bollocks? She looks like a fuckin' horse. A toffy-nosed stuck up fuckin' Tory horse. She went to school down the road from where I am as it goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 16 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I don't believe he is antisemitism per se but is certainly anti-zionist/USA/capitalism, all of which can transpire into antisemitism. hitler built his whole nazi ideology in reference to the "global international capital-jew", which in hindsight was a clever way to gain support from the common people. Millions of germans had his book in their home, and it worked. But as history has shown, that didn't stop hitler from murdering millions of jews, women and children. Hardly the people you would class under the "international capital". So his supposed fight against the "international capital" was just an excuse to kill women and children. So whenever someone claims "I'm fighting the international capital, not the jews per se", I'm a bit sceptic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Priti is incredible as is Berger... sheesh, tough crowd. Im sure we can all agree on Nandy from Labour, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, action said: hitler built his whole nazi ideology in reference to the "global international capital-jew", which in hindsight was a clever way to gain support from the common people. Millions of germans had his book in their home, and it worked. But as history has shown, that didn't stop hitler from murdering millions of jews, women and children. Hardly the people you would class under the "international capital". So his supposed fight against the "international capital" was just an excuse to kill women and children. So whenever someone claims "I'm fighting the international capital, not the jews per se", I'm a bit sceptic. Yes, this certainly occurred however Hitler built his ideology on antisemitism of all facades. Jews were also affiliated - virtually synonymous in fact - with Bolshevism for instance. Jews were also seen as racial contamination of the German blood stream, and were the enemies of the Aryan race in a sort of Hegelian-Darwinian racial conflict. 2 hours ago, soon said: Priti is incredible as is Berger... sheesh, tough crowd. Im sure we can all agree on Nandy from Labour, I'll leave Nandy to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Yes, this certainly occurred however Hitler built his ideology on antisemitism of all facades. Jews were also affiliated - virtually synonymous in fact - with Bolshevism for instance. Jews were also seen as racial contamination of the German blood stream, and were the enemies of the Aryan race in a sort of Hegelian-Darwinian racial conflict. hitler wasn't always very coherent or clear on his motivations, but it's my understanding that hitler argued that communism was the work of karl marx (a jew) and a conspiracy of the "international jew-capital" to rule the world. likewise, hitler thought of the USA as a conspiracy of the "international capital jew" too. he linked this to race too for some reason. hitler was not sincere nor making sense, and in fact betrayed his own ideals of battling the world domination by world banks. because, if your concern is the growing grip of the capital on world affairs, why did women and children have to die? Edited November 28, 2019 by action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Channel 4 leaders debate on now. Boris and Farage refused to show, so channel 4 are using two melting sculptures to represent both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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