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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Just think. We too could have waited until January for a vaccine if only we had remained in that absurd organisation. 

Well that's bollocks but Brexiters gonna Brexiter. 

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Coronavirus: Regulator rejects Matt Hancock’s claim that UK got vaccine first because of Brexit

Britain’s medicines regulator has contradicted claims by health secretary Matt Hancock that the UK got the first coronavirus vaccine faster because of Brexit.

Speaking shortly after the announcement that the Pfizer/BioNTec jab had been cleared for use by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), Mr Hancock said that the authorisation process was faster than in the EU because Britain was no longer a member.

But asked if this was the case, MHRA chief executive June Raine said the process was undertaken under the terms of European law, which remains in force until the completion of the Brexit transition at the end of 2020.

The discrepancy emerged as Germany’s ambassador to the UK hit out at ministers’ claims that authorisation of the vaccine developed by a German company was a win for Britain.

“Why is it so difficult to recognise this important step forward as a great international effort and success?” tweeted Andreas Michaelis. “I really don't think this is a national story. In spite of the German company BioNTech having made a crucial contribution, this is European and transatlantic.”

Speaking to Times Radio, Mr Hancock identified two reasons why the UK was the first country in the world to have a clinically authorised vaccine.

“Firstly, because the MRHA has done a great job of working with the company to look at that data as it’s come through and do things in parallel, rather than one after the other as they normally would, that’s the first reason,” he said.

“The second reason is because, whilst until earlier this year we were in the European Medicines Agency (EMA), because of Brexit we’ve been able to make a decision to do this based on the UK regulator, a world-class regulator, and not go at the pace of the Europeans, who are moving a little bit more slowly.

“We do all the same safety checks and the same processes, but we have been able to speed up how they’re done because of Brexit.”

But when she was asked at a 10 Downing Street press conference whether Brexit had made any difference to the speed at which the MHRA was able to work, Dr Raine stressed the fact that the regulator is still working under the terms of EU law.

“We have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January,” she said.

“Our speed, or our progress, has been totally dependent on the availability of data in our rolling review and the rigorous assessment and independent advice we have received.

“So I hope that clarifies the point about the European relationship.” 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-matt-hancock-mhra-brexit-b1765005.html

 

 

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3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Just think. We too could have waited until January for a vaccine if only we had remained in that absurd organisation. 

BJ was asked directly whether that was the case at the number 10 press conference and after huffing and puffing for a bit admitted that it was bollocks.

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2 hours ago, Dazey said:

Well that's bollocks but Brexiters gonna Brexiter. 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, spunko12345 said:

BJ was asked directly whether that was the case at the number 10 press conference and after huffing and puffing for a bit admitted that it was bollocks.

Ask yourself why the EU states won't receive it until January? 

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The European Medicines Agency said it planned to give an opinion on the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine at a meeting on December 29. However, EU member states will still take several days to individually approve the regulator’s decision, meaning that distribution of the vaccine is unlikely until early January.

https://www.ft.com/content/21f16d65-803d-4b2f-818a-5a1b7c712481

The above neatly demonstrates how a supranational approach is immediately at a disadvantage from the approach excised by an individual country.

Although true, member states are not bound by this - so that theoretically, Britain could have pushed through Pfizer irrespective of withdrawal from the EU - it seems EU member states are broadly following this coordinated approach, except perhaps Hungary who are thinking of using Russian vaccines. 

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38 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

PS

When did spunko become a remoaner-in-crime? Being sovereign means we will be exporting less sheep.

(He cannot drink alcohol in a pub bless him because Harold Bishop banned it.)

Its absurd isn't it. Pubs not being allowed to sell alcahol and having to shut at 6pm as of tomorrow. Most boozers around here have just said fuck it and have closed anyway as there's no point. Someone on Twitter said it best, going to a pub and not having a beer is like going to a prostitute for a cuddle.

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2 hours ago, spunko12345 said:

Its absurd isn't it. Pubs not being allowed to sell alcahol and having to shut at 6pm as of tomorrow. Most boozers around here have just said fuck it and have closed anyway as there's no point. Someone on Twitter said it best, going to a pub and not having a beer is like going to a prostitute for a cuddle.

At least the English have permitted alcohol as permissible with consumption of scotch egg

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16 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

At least the English have permitted alcohol as permissible with consumption of scotch egg

Gotta say that the earlier control measures such as checking in and wotnot to go to the pub really didn't bother me. When they brought in that substantial meal bollocks it was a bit shit though. Didn't stop me going for a pint but didn't make it much fun. Spoons in Altrincham had a three drink limit and that was it. Always felt a bit shifty every time I got told I couldn't have any more after ordering my 4th Stella.

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2 hours ago, Dazey said:

Gotta say that the earlier control measures such as checking in and wotnot to go to the pub really didn't bother me. When they brought in that substantial meal bollocks it was a bit shit though. Didn't stop me going for a pint but didn't make it much fun. Spoons in Altrincham had a three drink limit and that was it. Always felt a bit shifty every time I got told I couldn't have any more after ordering my 4th Stella.

How would you feel living in Wales and having to order a ''pint of your best'' Prohibition Brew?

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Isn't (the reason you feel shifty buying Stella) because your wife is sitting there with two black eyes.

(Too low?).

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Dreary -theirs for theres. And I'm supposed to be a proof reader? Evidentially not a good one.
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11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Bojo prepares the Brits for a no-deal Brexit. What a disgrace. 

The sad thing is that all the idiots who voted for this mess will be defending it to the hilt even as the country goes down in flames.

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What sort of bilateral free trade deal demands that one country has unfettered access to a second country's territorial waters, and demands that same second country abide by the rules and regulations of the first? When the EU made trade deals with Canada and Japan, they did not insist on such nonsense. The United Kingdom is now a sovereign nation again! It is the equivalent of Britain demanding access to French vineyards, and insisting that the EU abide by the stipulations of Westminster!!

Walk away Boris. 

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3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

What sort of bilateral free trade deal demands that one country has unfettered access to a second country's territorial waters, and demands that same second country abide by the rules and regulations of the first? When the EU made trade deals with Canada and Japan, they did not insist on such nonsense. The United Kingdom is now a sovereign nation again! It is the equivalent of Britain demanding access to French vineyards, and insisting that the EU abide by the stipulations of Westminster!!

Walk away Boris. 

Both aspects you are discussing are core elements of neoliberalism 

- unfettered access

- setting the tone of regulation

And beyond that, you are witnessing the type of negotiations that a country who has chopped itself off at the knees will be met with in this neoliberal capitalist system.

 

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1 minute ago, soon said:

Both aspects you are discussing are core elements of neoliberalism 

- unfettered access

- setting the tone of regulation

 

4 minutes ago, soon said:

you are witnessing the type of negotiations that a country who has chopped itself off at the knees will be met with in this neoliberal capitalist system.

Surely these two statements are antithetical?

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Just now, soon said:

No, why?

(I mean, obviously capitalism is rife with contradictions)

It is funny seeing you support a neoliberal monolith in your musings on Brexit, an organisation who has done a lot to create - neo-colonial - unfair trade regulations with Africa through tariffs, and whose green credentials are suspect. 

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

It is funny seeing you support a neoliberal monolith in your musings on Brexit, an organisation who has done a lot to create - neo-colonial - unfair trade regulations with Africa through tariffs, and whose green credentials are suspect. 

I didn’t support any entity or any concept 

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