DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Remainers don't want a trade deal. If there is a comprehensive trade agreement, remainers will merely say, ''it is the same as what we had in the (drum roll) 'world's biggest trading bloc''. If there isn't a deal, it will merely symbolise the failure of Brexit and foretell the zombie apocalypse that will apparently occur on January 1st. Damned if you do, dammed if you don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Remainers don't want a trade deal. If there is a comprehensive trade agreement, remainers will merely say, ''it is the same as what we had in the (drum roll) 'world's biggest trading bloc''. If there isn't a deal, it will merely symbolise the failure of Brexit and foretell the zombie apocalypse that will apparently occur on January 1st. Damned if you do, dammed if you don't. We'd love a trade deal. We just know that it won't be as good as the one we already had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spunko12345 2,168 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: If there is a comprehensive trade agreement, remainers will merely say, ''it is the same as what we had in the (drum roll) 'world's biggest trading bloc''. If there isn't a deal, it will merely symbolise the failure of Brexit This is it in a nutshell basically. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 57 minutes ago, Dazey said: We'd love a trade deal. We just know that it won't be as good as the one we already had. You'll be whinging either way. 60ish continuity agreements - Liz knocking out one per day? ''Yes, but those are the same deals as what we had before'' (we could have, in an alternative scenario, not obtained these continuity agreements as most remainers were initially, but erroneously, predicting!). Most remainers actually desire their prophecies of doom to come to fruition - I am convinced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I'll enjoy it. Paedo Terry Christian and Jug eared James O'Brian collapsing over the next few days. Lord Adonis and Alistair Campbell also. Utter remainer meltdown haha. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You'll be whinging either way. 60ish continuity agreements - Liz knocking out one per day? ''Yes, but those are the same deals as what we had before'' (we could have, in an alternative scenario, not obtained these continuity agreements as most remainers were initially, but erroneously, predicting!). Most remainers actually desire their prophecies of doom to come to fruition - I am convinced. Even if we get continuity agreements with every other independent country we still won't have one with the most important countries ie the EU27. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dazey said: Even if we get continuity agreements with every other independent country we still won't have one with the most important countries ie the EU27. You'd moan if we did! If we had a free trade deal in which the French give us free champagne and the Germans provide everyone with a free BMW, you'd still be moaning. Or remoaning should I say. Edited December 21, 2020 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downzy 8,947 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: You are missing the point completely. The economics are superfluous for most Brexiteers, although somewhat connected through the ability to bilaterally trade, as the overriding argument is sovereignty, i.e., to be governed by the government you elect, and not by an unelected foreign Commission. Economics may not feel so superfluous when all they have to eat are “root vegetables.” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoulMonster 7,838 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: You are missing the point completely. The economics are superfluous for most Brexiteers, although somewhat connected through the ability to bilaterally trade, as the overriding argument is sovereignty, i.e., to be governed by the government you elect, and not by an unelected foreign Commission. This is historical revisionism. Sovereignty was not the main reason people voted to leave the EU. People’s Stated Reasons for Voting Leave or Remain – CSI Nuffield (google.com) As you can see, the main reason was to stop immigration. You might argue that these things are connected, but the reason wasn't some lofty ideal of sovereignty, but the more pragmatic desire to reduce immigration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: This is historical revisionism. Sovereignty was not the main reason people voted to leave the EU. People’s Stated Reasons for Voting Leave or Remain – CSI Nuffield (google.com) As you can see, the main reason was to stop immigration. You might argue that these things are connected, but the reason wasn't some lofty ideal of sovereignty, but the more pragmatic desire to reduce immigration. They’re all crowing about sovereignty now because it’s such an insubstantial and vague concept. They can pretend that none of the hardship and economic devastation matters because in the absence of any actual tangible benefits to point to they can at least brandish a blue passport and go on about less wogs to deal with. Irony is that the most Brexity of the Brexit areas are something like 99% white British ethnically. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dazey said: They’re all crowing about sovereignty now because it’s such an insubstantial and vague concept. They can pretend that none of the hardship and economic devastation matters because in the absence of any actual tangible benefits to point to they can at least brandish a blue passport and go on about less wogs to deal with. Irony is that the most Brexity of the Brexit areas are something like 99% white British ethnically. No it isn't. The politicians we can vote and cannot vote out is very substantial and tangible for instance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: No it isn't. The politicians we can vote and cannot vote out is very substantial and tangible for instance. Name one EU regulation that causes you personal grief on a daily basis and how leaving it up to Boris over Brussels will improve your lot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AtariLegend 805 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dazey said: Name one EU regulation that causes you personal grief on a daily basis and how leaving it up to Boris over Brussels will improve your lot? Bendy Bananas being outlaw by the EU? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dazey said: Name one EU regulation that causes you personal grief on a daily basis and how leaving it up to Boris over Brussels will improve your lot? CFP Utterly trashed various communities along my coastline. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) Besides, irrespective of any specific legislation enacted, I happen to believe that European jurisprudence should not have stipulation within the United Kingdom, and that unelected Eurocrats should not have authority in the United Kingdom. PS Well I suppose a Remoanerathon was going to happen. Maybe they are bored with Trump now? Edited December 21, 2020 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: CFP Utterly trashed various communities along my coastline. Clearly doesn't affect you on a daily basis nor would repealing it tomorrow make your life any better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Dazey said: Clearly doesn't affect you on a daily basis nor would repealing it tomorrow make your life any better. I am sure my life would have been different if our fisheries were not destroyed by the EC/EU; it would have had a positive repercussion on continued urban prosperity and local businesses. Now our coastal communities are dilapidated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I am sure my life would have been different if our fisheries were not destroyed by the EC/EU; it would have had a positive repercussion on continued urban prosperity and local businesses. Now our coastal communities are dilapidated. But you still don't demonstrate how the current course of action today makes things better. That's the whole point. You're pissed about something that happened decades ago that won't be reversed by making things worse today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Dazey said: But you still don't demonstrate how the current course of action today makes things better. That's the whole point. You're pissed about something that happened decades ago that won't be reversed by making things worse today. I am not ''pissed'' about anything. I merely see the eradication of the Common Fisheries Policy, and the removal of European jurisprudence and governance from the United Kingdom as beneficial for the United Kingdom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazey 9,566 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: I am not ''pissed'' about anything. I merely see the eradication of the Common Fisheries Policy, and the removal of European jurisprudence and governance from the United Kingdom as beneficial for the United Kingdom. That wasn’t the question I asked of you though. Edited December 21, 2020 by Dazey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoulMonster 7,838 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The irony here is of course that in the trade deal with the EU (that is being negotiated), EU may end up keeping their access to Britain's fish stocks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Padme 3,154 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: The irony here is of course that in the trade deal with the EU (that is being negotiated), EU may end up keeping their access to Britain's fish stocks. True, I read the EU could get some access. But now I'm worried about the mess created by this new virus mutation Edited December 21, 2020 by Padme Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Dazey said: That wasn’t the question I asked of you though. You didn't ask a question. You supposed that I was ''pissed''. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 17,703 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The ironic thing is this, 6 hours ago, Dazey said: Name one EU regulation that causes you personal grief on a daily basis and how leaving it up to Boris over Brussels will improve your lot? Is from someone who spends all their time moaning about an elected leader of a foreign polity! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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