Danish article about Ole Beich

[Sosso]

http://underholdning.tv2.dk/2016-04-08-ole-var-en-del-af-guns-n-roses-musikerven-fortaeller-om-den-vilde-tid-i-la

 

It's a very interesting article about the real reasons why he left GN'R and his drug abuse in the late 80's and early 90's.

 

 

[SoulMonster]

For those not able to read Danish, according to Ole's friend Robert Cromwell, Ole left the GN'R because it wasn't metal enough and because the musicians weren't good enough. According to Cromwell, Ole was a vital part of GN'R and the band wouldn't have sounded as good as it did if it weren't for him.

[Lies They Tell]

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

According to Cromwell, Ole was a vital part of GN'R and the band wouldn't have sounded as good as it did if it weren't for him.

[Sosso]

Ole Beich helped launch Guns N 'Roses, but he wanted something else with his music. Therefore he left the band, tells a friend from L.A.

Guitarist Robert Cromwell can tell a lot of robbery stories about his time with Danish Ole Beich in Los Angeles.

The two were both part of a group of music friends who struggled for success in a heavy industry in the 1980s, and Robert Cromwell describes Ole as a kind of big brother.

The young guy from Esbjerg helped launch Guns N 'Roses, but it's not a classic success story. Ole Beich stopped in the band before they achieved success, smoked in a heavy drug abuse, moved back to Denmark and eventually led to a tragic fate.

One October evening in 1991 he drowned at the age of 36 in Sct. Jørgens Sø at the Planetarium, and there is doubt as to whether it was an accident or suicide.

Bar ass on stage

Ole Beich went to Los Angeles because he wanted to be something in the music.

He played bass, and in 1984, Ole managed to join the band L.A. Guns. The following year, the band was merged with Hollywood Rose, which became the start of Guns N 'Roses.

Ole Beich performed only with the new band for a single concert, and Robert Cromwell remembers that he saw the Danish musician perform with Axl Rose, a singer at the Troubadour venue in West Hollywood.

Axl Rose had chosen to wear a pair of chaps, a kind of trousers, without anything underneath.

"Every time he turned around, one could see his ass. We laughed very much, Robert Cromwell told TV 2 over a Skype connection.

After the concert he greeted Ole Beich. They shared a common interest in the heavy metal genre and quickly became good friends.

Thrown out of many places

The Danish musician was only part of the new Guns N 'Roses band for quite a short time. He does not think the others were musically talented, and he was interested in a more heavy music style, says Robert Cromwell.

"He became tired of playing with Axl (Axl Rose, Guns N 'Roses, Red Singer). It was not musical enough for him. I'm more of a metal fire, so Ole and I started hanging out with each other.

He describes Ole as such one who always went in jeans, cowboy boots and leather jacket - or his AC / DC t-shirt. And the two blonde heavyfyre were both excited to make loots in Los Angeles.

In fact, they were "inseparable ballad warriors", and Robert Cromwell did not talk how many times they were thrown out of places.

One of the last memories he has about Ole is from a day when they were at a Chinese restaurant on Sunset Boulevard. Here Ole said that he would like to Denmark and be a fighter pilot. I run for him through the restaurant and we are covered with food, he laughs.

"Ole comes in the damper to be full in the public, but I usually say that was because he was a fighter pilot in the public.

Lost all hope

By the end of his time in the US, however, it went down the hill for Ole. He had been depressed and also addicted to heroin, says the friend. It culminated in a failed suicide attempt, and he returned to Denmark.

It all ended October 1991 in which Ole Beich disappeared in the depths of the lake. The autopsy showed that he had both alcohol and heroin in the blood when he died.

Guns N 'Roses's success also affected the Danish bassist. In 1987, the band released the debut album 'Appetite for Destruction', which was a huge success with over 28 million copies sold. It could be felt at Ole, tells the friend.

"After Guns N 'Roses started doing well he got worse. But I do not think that was what really made him depressed. He had begun to take drugs, and it led him to a stage where he lost all hope, says Robert Cromwell, describing Ole Beich as highly talented.

- Ole was an indispensable part of Guns' N Roses. If it were not for Ole, they would not sound as good as they did, says Robert Cromwell.

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

Yeah, I reacted the same way.

Here's another Danish article about Ole. It goes in more depth on the tragedy of his life, also on how GN'R's success affected him: http://livsstil.tv2.dk/2016-04-08-dansker-var-med-til-at-starte-guns-n-roses-men-hans-liv-endte-ulykkeligt?cid=tv2.dk:Dansker var med til at starte Guns N' Roses%2C men hans liv endte ulykkeligt:article

[Sosso]

Just now, SoulMonster said:

Yeah, I reacted the same way.

Here's another Danish article about Ole. It goes in more depth on the tragedy of his life, also on how GN'R's success affected him: http://livsstil.tv2.dk/2016-04-08-dansker-var-med-til-at-starte-guns-n-roses-men-hans-liv-endte-ulykkeligt?cid=tv2.dk:Dansker var med til at starte Guns N' Roses%2C men hans liv endte ulykkeligt:article

I think that he meant pre-AfD GN'R. But I don't know for sure

[StrangerInThisTown]

7 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

According to Cromwell, Ole was a vital part of GN'R and the band wouldn't have sounded as good as it did if it weren't for him.

lol

[SoulMonster]

1 minute ago, Sosso said:

I think that he meant pre-AfD GN'R. But I don't know for sure

Yeah, probably. But still, Ole was in GN'R from March to parts of April in 1985. That's just a few weeks. It then took the band two years until AFD was released. How much could those few weeks 2 years before have influenced the resulting AFD? A few songs remained but for most part Duff came up with all bass parts. To me, this is just a friend being gracious with a late pal and as such it is sweet and should be left uncommented upon.

[Sosso]

I wonder how the album from Rock Nalle & The Flames sounds.

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

Kind of interesting to think that if Ole was 36 in 1991- that places him at 30/31 in 1985. Axl and Izzy meanwhile would have been a very youthful/crazy 23 in 1985. Not sure if there's anything to that (in terms of his leaving)- but that can be a big gap. Whatever the case- a troubled life for sure. RIP.

We all know what became of Tracii (L.A. Guns). Anybody know anything about Rob Gardner? I think he played in an early version of L.A. Guns as well. I think I also recall someone mentioning that he ultimately became a music/drums teacher in L.A. too...

[Sosso]

5 minutes ago, AXL_N_DIZZY said:

We all know what became of Tracii (L.A. Guns). Anybody know anything about Rob Gardner? I think he played in an early version of L.A. Guns as well. I think I also recall someone mentioning that he ultimately became a music/drums teacher in L.A. too...

I always wondered why Rob didn't rejoined L.A. Guns too. Was there some kind of a feud between him and Tracii?

[Sosso]

9 minutes ago, AXL_N_DIZZY said:

Kind of interesting to think that if Ole was 36 in 1991- that places him at 30/31 in 1985.

Axl - 23

Izzy - 23

Tracii - 19

Ole - 30

Rob - ?

[-W.A.R-]

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Ole left the GN'R because it wasn't metal enough and because the musicians weren't good enough.

Ouch. I imagine it would be traumatic to see them become the biggest band in the world. 

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

2 minutes ago, Sosso said:

Axl - 23

Izzy - 23

Tracii - 19

Ole - 30

Rob - ?

Wow. Hadn't realized that Tracii is even a little younger than Slash. Crazy.

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

1 minute ago, -W.A.R- said:

Ouch. I imagine it would be traumatic to see them become the biggest band in the world. 

Yep. Must have been particularly brutal when Illusions came out and friends/family were like- "Hey- weren't you in that band?". 

At least Tracii had L.A. Guns. Had to have been very rough for Ole & Rob though...

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

12 minutes ago, Sosso said:

I always wondered why Rob didn't rejoined L.A. Guns too. Was there some kind of a feud between him and Tracii?

Yeah with all the line-up changes (including two different versions of the same band at the same time!)- you would have thought Rob would have re-surfaced in L.A. Guns somewhere. Maybe the guy just wanted to bail on all of it...

[Ratam]

11 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

For those not able to read Danish, according to Ole's friend Robert Cromwell, Ole left the GN'R because it wasn't metal enough and because the musicians weren't good enough. According to Cromwell, Ole was a vital part of GN'R and the band wouldn't have sounded as good as it did if it weren't for him.

😅😆😀😁😂😃❓⁉

11 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

😅

[killuridols]

Why is this rethorica and ridiculous re-writting of history even allowed?

And the worst is some crazy fans actually buy the story about this guy being the "soul" of Guns N' Roses

So much that they call him original don't know what......

Oh please

[Ratam]

11 hours ago, Sosso said:

Ole Beich helped launch Guns N 'Roses, but he wanted something else with his music. Therefore he left the band, tells a friend from L.A.

Guitarist Robert Cromwell can tell a lot of robbery stories about his time with Danish Ole Beich in Los Angeles.

The two were both part of a group of music friends who struggled for success in a heavy industry in the 1980s, and Robert Cromwell describes Ole as a kind of big brother.

The young guy from Esbjerg helped launch Guns N 'Roses, but it's not a classic success story. Ole Beich stopped in the band before they achieved success, smoked in a heavy drug abuse, moved back to Denmark and eventually led to a tragic fate.

One October evening in 1991 he drowned at the age of 36 in Sct. Jørgens Sø at the Planetarium, and there is doubt as to whether it was an accident or suicide.

Bar ass on stage

Ole Beich went to Los Angeles because he wanted to be something in the music.

He played bass, and in 1984, Ole managed to join the band L.A. Guns. The following year, the band was merged with Hollywood Rose, which became the start of Guns N 'Roses.

Ole Beich performed only with the new band for a single concert, and Robert Cromwell remembers that he saw the Danish musician perform with Axl Rose, a singer at the Troubadour venue in West Hollywood.

Axl Rose had chosen to wear a pair of chaps, a kind of trousers, without anything underneath.

"Every time he turned around, one could see his ass. We laughed very much, Robert Cromwell told TV 2 over a Skype connection.

After the concert he greeted Ole Beich. They shared a common interest in the heavy metal genre and quickly became good friends.

Thrown out of many places

The Danish musician was only part of the new Guns N 'Roses band for quite a short time. He does not think the others were musically talented, and he was interested in a more heavy music style, says Robert Cromwell.

"He became tired of playing with Axl (Axl Rose, Guns N 'Roses, Red Singer). It was not musical enough for him. I'm more of a metal fire, so Ole and I started hanging out with each other.

He describes Ole as such one who always went in jeans, cowboy boots and leather jacket - or his AC / DC t-shirt. And the two blonde heavyfyre were both excited to make loots in Los Angeles.

In fact, they were "inseparable ballad warriors", and Robert Cromwell did not talk how many times they were thrown out of places.

One of the last memories he has about Ole is from a day when they were at a Chinese restaurant on Sunset Boulevard. Here Ole said that he would like to Denmark and be a fighter pilot. I run for him through the restaurant and we are covered with food, he laughs.

"Ole comes in the damper to be full in the public, but I usually say that was because he was a fighter pilot in the public.

Lost all hope

By the end of his time in the US, however, it went down the hill for Ole. He had been depressed and also addicted to heroin, says the friend. It culminated in a failed suicide attempt, and he returned to Denmark.

It all ended October 1991 in which Ole Beich disappeared in the depths of the lake. The autopsy showed that he had both alcohol and heroin in the blood when he died.

Guns N 'Roses's success also affected the Danish bassist. In 1987, the band released the debut album 'Appetite for Destruction', which was a huge success with over 28 million copies sold. It could be felt at Ole, tells the friend.

"After Guns N 'Roses started doing well he got worse. But I do not think that was what really made him depressed. He had begun to take drugs, and it led him to a stage where he lost all hope, says Robert Cromwell, describing Ole Beich as highly talented.

- Ole was an indispensable part of Guns' N Roses. If it were not for Ole, they would not sound as good as they did, says Robert Cromwell.

How funny  what theys see  Axl ass 😂

[SoulMonster]

8 hours ago, killuridols said:

Why is this rethorica and ridiculous re-writting of history even allowed?

And the worst is some crazy fans actually buy the story about this guy being the "soul" of Guns N' Roses

So much that they call him original don't know what......

Ah, this is a great example of what I have been talking about. People who don't understand you can be the original yet still entirely irrelevant.

Are there really some crazy fans who think Ole Beich was the sould of GN'R?

 

[killuridols]

11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Ah, this is a great example of what I have been talking about. People who don't understand you can be the original yet still entirely irrelevant.

Are there really some crazy fans who think Ole Beich was the sould of GN'R?

Who do you refer to by "people"? Me? If you're talking about me you're greatly mistaken.

And yes, there are some wackos who, everytime a gunner says "original lineup", meaning (like a normal sane fan would) the AFD lineup, they have to jump to "correct" them () and say that the original members of GN'R are also Ole Beich and Gardner

I've seen those people writing thesis out of this crazy idea and trying to lecture fans about it.

 

[HuskerTornado]

8 hours ago, killuridols said:

Why is this rethorica and ridiculous re-writting of history even allowed?

And the worst is some crazy fans actually buy the story about this guy being the "soul" of Guns N' Roses

So much that they call him original don't know what......

Oh please

 

A lot of people don't know this, but Beich was also the actual 5th Beatle.  At the age of 7, he quit the band, citing they were "too much roll, not enough rock."

 

He has no writing credits on any of the released Guns n' Roses or LA Guns material.  So his contributions to the sound of either would probably be about zero.  Definitely had to be tough to see the success of both bands, especially GnR.  Not a surprise he slipped into a deep depression and what followed after.

Interestingly, his father's name was Aksel...

[SoulMonster]

55 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Who do you refer to by "people"? Me? If you're talking about me you're greatly mistaken.

And yes, there are some wackos who, everytime a gunner says "original lineup", meaning (like a normal sane fan would) the AFD lineup, they have to jump to "correct" them () and say that the original members of GN'R are also Ole Beich and Gardner

I've seen those people writing thesis out of this crazy idea and trying to lecture fans about it.

Yes, you and everyone else who seem to get their panties in a twitch whenever someone points out the trivia that the AFD lineup was not the original lineup. It is not a "crazy idea", it is an established fact. No need to write a thesis about it. It is what it is.

I think some people (yes, you are still included) confuse the concepts of "original" and "legendary" or "relevant" or "influential". Ole Beich was an original GN'R member but made no impact on GN'R and is as irrelevant as it gets. Slash, on the other hand, came in slightly later, but helped make GN'R a legendary band. He was not a member of the very first lineup (aka not part of the original lineup), but he was and is one of the greatest band members and no one can take that from him, not even the chronology of him joining the band.

And when you (yes, you) are confused and think that "original" is a qualitative adjective and not just a synonym for "the first", you will consider the statement "the AFD lineup was not the original lineup" as an opinion open for discussion and not as a fact. And you will interpret it as some slight against the AFD lineup or some absurd exaggeration of the importance of guys like Ole Beich. But no one is doing that, no one here is diminishing the greatness of the AFD lineup or claiming the original lineup was any good. It is all in your head, it is all just thinking mistakes.

[killuridols]

8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, you and everyone else who seem to get their panties in a twitch whenever someone points out the trivia that the AFD lineup was not the original lineup. It is not a "crazy idea", it is an established fact. No need to write a thesis about it. It is what it is.

I think some people (yes, you are still included) confuse the concepts of "original" and "legendary" or "relevant" or "influential". Ole Beich was an original GN'R member but made no impact on GN'R and is as irrelevant as it gets. Slash, on the other hand, came in slightly later, but helped make GN'R a legendary band. He was not a member of the very first lineup (aka not part of the original lineup), but he was and is one of the greatest band members and no one can take that from him, not even the chronology of him joining the band.

And when you (yes, you) are confused and think that "original" is a qualitative adjective and not just a synonym for "the first", you will consider the statement "the AFD lineup was not the original lineup" as an opinion open for discussion and not as a fact. And you will interpret it as some slight against the AFD lineup or some absurd exaggeration of the importance of guys like Ole Beich. But no one is doing that, no one here is diminishing the greatness of the AFD lineup or claiming the original lineup was any good. It is all in your head, it is all just thinking mistakes.

I dont confuse any fucking concept. What I do is being practical and realistic.

When a nerd decides to correct people on who are the original members of Guns N' Roses everytime people talk about original lineup, that nerd is doing exactly what you complain about: giving importance to the irrelevant.

The more you talk about it, the more you try to establish the idea of this guy being an original band member knowing that he was there for like.... 2 weeks!!! ... and he didnt write one relevant note for this band.... the more you are acting like a wacko nerd who has nothing better to do than to annoy the fans.

Do you know why do we have this thread here right now? 

Yeah, because of nerds who have nothing better to do than highlight and exacerbate the few days that guy got to play with Axl. What is the gain behind that? I really dont know....

And the desperation of some people to try to fit themselves in a history and story that only belongs to Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven is truly pathetic.

But it is even more pathetic that people who call themselves fans are also eager to help these parasites find themselves a way to get into GN'R storyline, even if all they did was just walking by one of the ORIGINAL band members.

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by killuridols

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I can see Chinese fans trying to legitimize the likes of Ole just to legitimize the circus years of Axl solo career as original GNR.