Izzy walked out on NITL in 2016 after soundcheck

[KURT19]

7 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

Angry much? Your first assessment is incorrect, Izzy was never asked to participate in full blown reunion. From what we “know” he was at that one sound check but don’t know exactly why he left. There is no “end of story” because none of us really know unless your name rhymes with Smaxl Smose. 

Fuck yeah, I'm angry. I wanted the Appetite Five. No apologies.

But...

The first two words in my reply are: "MY OPINION".

And yes, I DO BELIEVE that Izzy AND Steven were asked to be involved in this reunion before the Troubadour show. 

IZZY got fucked over due to money.

Steven got fucked over because he's Steven.

And no, KURT19 doesn't rhyme with Smaxl Smose.

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by KURT19

[tsinindy]

3 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

Angry much? Your first assessment is incorrect, Izzy was never asked to participate in full blown reunion. From what we “know” he was at that one sound check but don’t know exactly why he left. There is no “end of story” because none of us really know unless your name rhymes with Smaxl Smose. 

No, not true.  There is some indication he was asked....confirmed by multiple sources (Adler, Izzy himself, others with ties to the band, but it isn’t certain...similarly, We don’t actually “know” he was at that one sound check either.  We have a guy on your show claiming he was told this...and another poster with a friend claiming she saw him...that makes it likely true, but not confirmed by any stretch.  

 

[Gambit83]

38 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

No, not true.  There is some indication he was asked....confirmed by multiple sources (Adler, Izzy himself, others with ties to the band, but it isn’t certain...similarly, We don’t actually “know” he was at that one sound check either.  We have a guy on your show claiming he was told this...and another poster with a friend claiming she saw him...that makes it likely true, but not confirmed by any stretch.  

 

You're correct, no confirmation seems to be the theme of GNR. The next tour should be all 5, "The No Confirmation other than Axl's love of Taco Bell Tour."

[shotsfired cro]

Izzy this, Izzy that...Personally, the most interesting part is that shortly after the was 'out' and posed tweets - Izzy DID come out with intention to play.

3 guitars? Bull shit! Check out Rio '91 and Rio 2017, Izzy doesn't need a second guitar player. Slash and Izzy is a killer combo. 

[default_]

Its a shame it didnt work but I cant agree with the notion that everything is up to Axl, Slash and Duff and some kind of evil plan as a lot of users here like to say. It can be something related to the three as much as it can be something personal for Izzy, but its easier to just point fingers and say: Yeah, Axl did this, Duff backstabed that, Slash wanted more for the allimony and so on.

[The Holographic Universe]

9 hours ago, Gambit83 said:

He has friends in the current camp. 

I doubt he has a friend in the GNR camp. This guy is 30 years removed, and anybody he knew has been replaced. Before Izzy spoke confirmed his non involment with the reunion in Twitter, Alan Niven said in an interview that Izzy was currently writing songs with the band. He stated it with an air of certainty, too. And, I’m certain everybody here can agree that he was full of shit about that statement. The sound check story is fucking silly. If so Steven would have known and opened his mouth.

[Gambit83]

4 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I doubt he has a friend in the GNR camp. This guy is 30 years removed, and anybody he knew has been replaced. Before Izzy spoke confirmed his non involment with the reunion in Twitter, Alan Niven said in an interview that Izzy was currently writing songs with the band. He stated it with an air of certainty, too. And, I’m certain everybody here can agree that he was full of shit about that statement. The sound check story is fucking silly. If so Steven would have known and opened his mouth.

he does, but believe what you want.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Gambit83

[RussTCB]

1 minute ago, Gambit83 said:

he does, but believe what you want.

Of course he has friends in the GNR camp. Don't worry, the greater majority of everyone here believes you. There's no reason to doubt you or your guests credibility. 

[The Holographic Universe]

6 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

he does, but believe what you want.

Check out his Mitch Lafon interview where he said Izzy was writing with the band. It turned out to be a complete fabrication. I don’t need to believe anything to know he has an established history of fabricating Izzy “facts”. I’m not being combative. I believed Alan in the past and it’s a fool me once type of thing for me personally.

Edited February 28, 2018 by The Holographic Universe

[Gambit83]

6 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Check out his Mitch Lafon interview where he said Izzy was writing with the band. It turned out to be a complete fabrication. I don’t need to believe anything to know he has an established history of fabricating Izzy “facts”. I’m not being combative. I believed Alan in the past and it’s a fool me once type of thing for me personally.

or perhaps he said something he wasn't supposed to or plans changed.

[GNRfanMILO]

Izzy pretends to earn the same as Slash, when he left the band in fucking 1991... I love the guy but I find it hilarious. We know Steven would do it for free, but if I was Axl/Slash/Duff, i wouldn't offer them more that what Fortus and Ferrer are getting now. Steven left in 1990!!!

I think that this is more of Izzy being a dickhead than the big 3 being stingy. I don't know who the fuck he is... you left them when they were still winning popularity. Don't come back fucking 26 years later pretending to get the same as Slash when he stayed right till the end (or when there wasn't much else to do).

I still hope for an AFD5 reunion but I don't see it very possible if Izzy doesn't come down from his ivory tower.

Edited February 28, 2018 by GNRfanMILO

[Silent Jay]

18 hours ago, RussTCB said:

What is that from?

I don't have the actual source, I believe that picture was shown from Duff's camp during the vegas shows, probably early AC/DC summer tour.

I always had that setlist in mind, that Izzy was involved at one point. 14 Years, Dust N' Bones, Think About You and Pretty Tied Up. No Chinese. I thought back then it was the Appetite 5 setlist. 

[reayj2003]

Alan seems to have a little Izzy crush. 

Fact is Izzy hasn’t even toured his own material since 93. Axl, Slash & Duff have grafted & toured. 

He hasn’t really shown any interest in the music business at a big level. I can see why he’s not there.

2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

I don't have the actual source, I believe that picture was shown from Duff's camp during the vegas shows, probably early AC/DC summer tour.

I always had that setlist in mind, that Izzy was involved at one point. 14 Years, Dust N' Bones, Think About You and Pretty Tied Up. No Chinese. I thought back then it was the Appetite 5 setlist. 

This is from when Duff joined in 2014 so your wrong there pal.

[AxlRoseCDII]

That setlist photo does make sense for a lineup with Izzy in mind. If a true photo, it aligns with Axl saying he originally didn’t even bother with the Chinese songs and that Duff and Slash did truly come to him offering to play the ones they liked. As the lineup progressed the Izzy songs were cut out and Slash and Duff’s acceptance of CD led to that setlist with Chinese songs thrown in. As the tour progressed Axl was very happy playing CD songs live and added more as it went on. 

[Silent Jay]

10 minutes ago, reayj2003 said:

This is from when Duff joined in 2014 so your wrong there pal.

That's why I posted it pal. Same handwriting.

And I was talking about the 2016 setlist. The 2014 setlist was to make my point.

[killuridols]

43 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I doubt he has a friend in the GNR camp. This guy is 30 years removed, and anybody he knew has been replaced. Before Izzy spoke confirmed his non involment with the reunion in Twitter, Alan Niven said in an interview that Izzy was currently writing songs with the band. He stated it with an air of certainty, too. And, I’m certain everybody here can agree that he was full of shit about that statement. The sound check story is fucking silly. If so Steven would have known and opened his mouth.

He probably doesn't have friends in the Team Brazil group but there are people in the crew who have worked with Guns before TB was ever conceived. Besides, the GN'R world and people related to rock are all the same, its a very tight and tiny group, not hundreds of people.

I think Niven has been smart enough to keep contacts and ties related to GN'R since that's his most significant job. Everything important and relevant happened in the 80's and early 90's. Niven and most of the people from that era know what is needed to know about GN'R. The TB era didn't accomplish anything.

44 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

he does, but believe what you want.

I believe you

39 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Check out his Mitch Lafon interview where he said Izzy was writing with the band. It turned out to be a complete fabrication. I don’t need to believe anything to know he has an established history of fabricating Izzy “facts”. I’m not being combative. I believed Alan in the past and it’s a fool me once type of thing for me personally.

How do you know its a fabrication that Izzy was writing with the band?

There is no GN'R NEW album or single to prove who wrote or played what. If there's ever new music released, that's the only time when we will find out who wrote or did what.

24 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

I think that this is more of Izzy being a dickhead than the big 3 being stingy. I don't know who the fuck he is... you left them when they were still winning popularity. Don't come back fucking 26 years later pretending to get the same as Slash when he stayed right till the end (or when there wasn't much else to do).

You don't know who Izzy is???

He is the ORIGINAL Guns N' Roses rythm guitarist and founding member, songwriter of many of the tunes that made GN'R popular and that hacks like Fortus and Ferrer are now playing live for fans like you, who cannot understand the relevance of each original band member.

When he left GN'R was already big and they imploded right after. Izzy was there since DAY 1 and was part of the rise and fall of GN'R. Everything that happened after 1992 or 1993 is completely irrelevant to the success of this band.

 

[reayj2003]

He’s shown no interest in touring though...like at all. This is a big old tour.

[Ratam]

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Of course he has friends in the GNR camp. Don't worry, the greater majority of everyone here believes you. There's no reason to doubt you or your guests credibility. 

Sure, the music world is little and almost all  know between theys,agreed.

[Gambit83]

3 hours ago, Guigsdaddy76 said:

I like your podcast but if I may be constructive, I wish you would follow up more with Alan in this interview.  "Izzy is angry" ok got it.  You never ask why is Izzy angry?  What do you think happned etc.  Listen to how Stern interviews musicians, celebs etc to see what I mean regarding follow up.  I know you want to be delicate but how often do you get info like this out of a guest?  Otherwise I appreciate the podcast and think its good.  

Because everybody knows who Howard Stern is. I am a nobody. You expect me to get the deepest darkest secrets from a first time conversation? Not going to happen unless I try tricking them or manipulating them into giving information they don’t want. Then I develop no relationship for future follow-up interviews and future guests if I develop a reputation like that. If Howard Stern wasn’t “Howard Stern,” nobody would talk to him. It’s because he has the audience and the brand name. 

“It is a pleasure to take on the obligation with someone who has the ability to apply some depth beyond common predictable cliche. You are a good interview ... otherwise I would have been brief and gone. Hopefully we stimulated some thought in the listener.” - Alan Niven

Edited February 28, 2018 by Gambit83

[AxlSlashthebest]

Sure this song for exemple with the 3 others could be killer.

 

[GNRfanMILO]

55 minutes ago, killuridols said:

You don't know who Izzy is???

He is the ORIGINAL Guns N' Roses rythm guitarist and founding member, songwriter of many of the tunes that made GN'R popular and that hacks like Fortus and Ferrer are now playing live for fans like you, who cannot understand the relevance of each original band member.

When he left GN'R was already big and they imploded right after. Izzy was there since DAY 1 and was part of the rise and fall of GN'R. Everything that happened after 1992 or 1993 is completely irrelevant to the success of this band.

 

I have never underestimated Izzy on my previous post. I know who he is, I know what he has done for the band. What I don't know is why the fuck is he expecting to "split the loot equally" (TOURING LOOT, there is no such thing as songwriting here since this is only tour related) when he NEVER wanted to tour back in the UYI days. When things got big (and I mean stadium-like big) he left the band, leaving them with no rythm guitarrist.

Songwriting and being a founding member does not apply here since we are only talking about touring. And Izzy Stradlin has never liked to tour. That's a fact. Richard Fortus has been touring with Guns N' Roses for almost 20 years now. And Frank more than 10. What I'm saying is that they KNOW they are hired hands.

Now, if this dicussion about the money split was because a potential new album, then I would agree with you. It should be 1/5 for each. But this isn't what is happening now. Izzy wants to come back after 26 years, to TOUR and pretending to earn as much as Slash and Duff do. Nobody knows how reliable could Izzy be for a huge tour like NITL. Call me what you want but i think that he lost his mind.
 

Do you seriously thought that Izzy was going to tour the world for 2 years playing Prostitute and other Chinese Democracy songs? Lol. IF he was considered to be in the reunion, he would have played some songs. And that doesn't justify being paid the same as the big 3... Think about it.

I don't know, it just sounds stupid in my head.

Edited February 28, 2018 by GNRfanMILO

[auad]

good to him

[Sosso]

2 hours ago, shotsfired cro said:

Izzy this, Izzy that...Personally, the most interesting part is that shortly after the was 'out' and posed tweets - Izzy DID come out with intention to play.

3 guitars? Bull shit! Check out Rio '91 and Rio 2017, Izzy doesn't need a second guitar player. Slash and Izzy is a killer combo. 

There is actually a third guitar at some of the songs, because Melissa adds some guitar chords with her synths.

[killuridols]

24 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

What I don't know is why the fuck is he expecting to "split the loot equally" (TOURING LOOT, there is no such thing as songwriting here since this is only tour related) when he NEVER wanted to tour back in the UYI days. When things got big (and I mean stadium-like big) he left the band, leaving them with no rythm guitarrist.

Because he KNOWS his worth. Don't you negotiate your salary or whatever money you get from your job, either from an employer or a client?

26 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

Songwriting and being a founding member does not apply here since we are only talking about touring. And Izzy Stradlin has never liked to tour. That's a fact. Richard Fortus has been touring with Guns N' Roses for almost 20 years now. And Frank more than 10. What I'm saying is that they KNOW they are hired hands.

Oh, really?

Whose songs are they playing? Bon Jovi's?? Britney Spears?? It is Izzy who also wrote those songs, the material they play at the shows belongs to Izzy too. That's a fact.

28 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

Izzy wants to come back after 26 years, to TOUR and pretending to earn as much as Slash and Duff do. Nobody knows how reliable could Izzy be for a huge tour like NITL. Call me what you want but i think that he lost his mind.

Dude. Izzy is a legend! He wants to earn as much as Slash and Duff because he is a founding member of the band, original guitar player, he put the seed and participated of the most important musical achievements of GN'R!!!

Slash and Duff also walked out of the band a few years after Izzy... does that make them unreliable? People change and evolve. Izzy is 54 years old, not 20 like in the GN'R golden era.

 

[Tucknroll]

I don't believe Izzy was ever around at least when Steven was there because Steven would have told it by now. He'd say something like, we were all there together and something happened.  He couldn't keep that quite