Powderfinger Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 19 hours ago, EvanG said: True, but they were the main songwriters, and that's probably what he meant. When it comes down to songwriting, Duff probably came right behind Slash, Izzy and Axl. Bands are different to musicians. A band has a sound and if one of the members leaves, the band is different. I think the mistake Axl and Slash made was thinking they were more important than the band. Or they were the band in Axl’s case. Almost all bands describe a process like this: Ehhhh Keeef came up with the riff and the uhhhh first 2 lines and uhhhhh I filled in the gaps and uhhhhhh Charlie played this uhhhmmm beat and that was it really.... GNR the band made the songs what they were, each players nuances. And a bit of that energy went with Steven, more with Izzy, and so on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Powderfinger said: At times they all completely contradict themselves! 😂 Im not so sure that Niven was an Izzy Man... I think the vibe he got from the band was Izzy’s vibe. Other people got Slash's or Axl’s. Niven didn’t stand to make lots more cash by being an Izzy Man... I’m multiple interviews I’ve read with him, he’s mentioned that He saw Izzy as the spirit of Guns. But I go back to my first statement, so who fucking knows..... 😂 "I talked to him a few years ago and he told me to tell Slash that he was sorry for the things that went down. I guess he felt that he didn't represent them evenly." - Marc Canter on Doug Goldstein http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/194694-doug-goldstein/ I guess she's an Axl fan and sees his version of events as more credible - which is fine. But trying to diminish Niven by drawing a false equivalency with Goldstein is just absurd. Goldstein even publicly apologized to Slash for not doing enough to represent him in GnR. Listen to the Mitch Lafon interview with Goldstein, you can hear him groveling to Slash and Duff to let him back into the fold (he must have known a reunion was imminent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 11 hours ago, youngswedishvinyl said: As far as I'm (and probably most other fans) are concerned "the big three" does not apply to any other line-up that the current one. i understand your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) On 3/1/2018 at 12:36 PM, TheGeneral said: This band is/was an absolute brainfuck. One minute they love each other, the next they're back to hating on each other. I'm glad that stuff is over and that Axl/Slash/Duff all get along. The purpose of this thread is not so much to document Izzy's resignation from the band but rather to illustrate the hypocrisy of this band and how they talk a load of bollocks as the Brits would say. As @MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle mentioned once, they seem very "Lord of the Flies" in their interaction (i.e. stabbing each other in the back) particularly Axl, Slash and to a lesser extent Duff. Edited March 3, 2018 by RONIN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, RONIN said: The purpose of this thread is not so much to document Izzy's resignation from the band but rather to illustrate the hypocrisy of this band and how they talk a load of bollocks as the Brits would say. New Album Title: Never mind The Pistols, it’s GnR bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Powderfinger said: The piece posted mentions Izzy, before the rock n roll hall of fame ceremony, asked Axl to meet him in a hotel. He wanted to discuss the original 5 playing on the night. He waited for two hours and Axl didn’t show. Ok, but that doesn't mean Izzy and Steven couldn't have showed up at any random gig these last two years to put this baby to rest. 4 hours ago, Powderfinger said: Bands are different to musicians. A band has a sound and if one of the members leaves, the band is different. I think the mistake Axl and Slash made was thinking they were more important than the band. Or they were the band in Axl’s case. Almost all bands describe a process like this: Ehhhh Keeef came up with the riff and the uhhhh first 2 lines and uhhhhh I filled in the gaps and uhhhhhh Charlie played this uhhhmmm beat and that was it really.... GNR the band made the songs what they were, each players nuances. And a bit of that energy went with Steven, more with Izzy, and so on. I totally agree, but I believe Axl, Slash and Izzy contributed more songs and ideas than Duff and especially Steven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 hours ago, RONIN said: On 2/3/2018 at 10:49 AM, BOSSY78 said: One thing that always got me is the back and forth and changing of stories as the teller saw fit. For example it was never a secret Slash had trouble with Izzy being in the band at different points but later Slash made it all like he never felt that way. Izzy even made claims that from day one Slash didn't want him there. Sure they became close at other points but the fact still remains and crept into interviews over the years. "Originally I don't think Slash ever wanted to play with another guitarist. But we both really loved Aerosmith and the Stones and we just used that idea to make it all work. My favourite band was always the Ramones - just four guys wailing with power chords. At some point he and I hooked up and we started making it work. It became fun, just working with another guy like him, opposites attrack, I suppose." https://izzystradlin.wixsite.com/unofficial/copy-of-guns-roses-bad-boys-give-i-30 There is also this from 1992: - What was your relationship to Slash?Izzy: "I don't think he really wanted another guitar player, but it was kind of a package deal, Axl and I. We had periods where we actually wrote songs together and worked out our parts. There was a little bit more interplay on "Appetite" than "Illusion". He was like a brother, but a brother who really wanted to be out on his own. "On "Illusion" I did the basic tracks, then he did his tracks, like a month or two by himself. Then came Axl's vocal parts. I went back to Indiana. I'd been around for rehearsals, learning the songs and all that stuff. I didn't really listen to the record until it was out. When I finally did hear it, it was what I expected: The guitars were basically buried." http://www.a-4-d.com/t570-1992-11-dd-interview-with-izzy 5 hours ago, RONIN said: Slash was involved in running the band along with Axl. But Axl had more control over band affairs and Slash's power was significantly reduced with the departure of Alan Niven. I think this Adler quote (from the 1992 newspaper clip I posted in the Adler lawsuit thread) is interesting: Everybody thinks Axl runs that band. Axl runs the band in only one way - if he doesn't show up, everybody's (messed up). Slash really runs everything. He was my best friend for more than 15 years, more than half my life. It was his decision, him and Axl, not to pay me. [Steven Adler, Los Angeles Daily News, February 1992] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, Blackstar said: "On "Illusion" I did the basic tracks, then he did his tracks, like a month or two by himself. Then came Axl's vocal parts. I went back to Indiana. I'd been around for rehearsals, learning the songs and all that stuff. I didn't really listen to the record until it was out. When I finally did hear it, it was what I expected: The guitars were basically buried." That sucks, but also shows you how passive the guy was... you're making a record and you're not even around to hear the songs coming along in the studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/3/2018 at 5:47 AM, Blackstar said: There is also this from 1992: - What was your relationship to Slash?Izzy: "I don't think he really wanted another guitar player, but it was kind of a package deal, Axl and I. We had periods where we actually wrote songs together and worked out our parts. There was a little bit more interplay on "Appetite" than "Illusion". He was like a brother, but a brother who really wanted to be out on his own. "On "Illusion" I did the basic tracks, then he did his tracks, like a month or two by himself. Then came Axl's vocal parts. I went back to Indiana. I'd been around for rehearsals, learning the songs and all that stuff. I didn't really listen to the record until it was out. When I finally did hear it, it was what I expected: The guitars were basically buried." http://www.a-4-d.com/t570-1992-11-dd-interview-with-izzy I think this Adler quote (from the 1992 newspaper clip I posted in the Adler lawsuit thread) is interesting: Everybody thinks Axl runs that band. Axl runs the band in only one way - if he doesn't show up, everybody's (messed up). Slash really runs everything. He was my best friend for more than 15 years, more than half my life. It was his decision, him and Axl, not to pay me. [Steven Adler, Los Angeles Daily News, February 1992] I must have missed that Adler quote. Fascinating. It sort of lines up with Doug Goldstein's take on Slash, that he was running the band's business side with Doug and served as the PR wing which seems completely plausible (did Axl do any interviews for TSI?). So Slash was like the COO to Axl's CEO in GnR Inc while Duff and Izzy were on the board of directors. So while it started off with Izzy, Axl, and Slash running the band during the appetite years together, from Lies onwards it starts to become an Axl/Slash joint partnership through the end of Illusions with Axl gaining more and more ground after Niven's departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juventino Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 7 hours ago, RONIN said: I must have missed that Adler quote. Fascinating. It sort of lines up with Doug Goldstein's take on Slash, that he was running the band's business side with Doug and served as the PR wing which seems completely plausible (did Axl do any interviews for TSI?). So Slash was like the COO to Axl's CEO in GnR Inc while Duff and Izzy were on the board of directors. So while it started off with Izzy, Axl, and Slash running the band during the appetite years together, from Lies onwards it starts to become an Axl/Slash joint partnership through the end of Illusions with Axl gaining more and more ground after Niven's departure. On the Axl interview question, he was on Rockline (I think that is what it is called) with Slash in early 1994 which did focus on TSI, among other things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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