06/03/18 - Berlin, Germany - Olympiastadion

[IncitingChaos]

26 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

Why is everybody hitting the panic button? The first few shows are always a bit rough for Axl. He’ll get there. It would be nice if he showed up polished, but it is the way it is. It’s not like it’s something new for him to off on the first show. In addition to him being bad, apparently there was also legitimate PA issues. If it’s still this bad in a month, I’ll join you in pushing the button. Until then, chill man. 

 

 

so I read your comment and thought bullshit, Axl has come back from lengthy breaks and not sounded this bad. However, this is only the fourth time he’s returned after this much time off. And to be fair he hasn’t sounded that great at any of em. Sadly that means a good show will be Vegas 2014 level not Houston 16 if we use these as starting points but regardless I’ll give him a pass and see how this plays out despite ripping off a bunch of Germans with his first show antics 

[ironmt]

30 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

Why is everybody hitting the panic button? The first few shows are always a bit rough for Axl. He’ll get there. It would be nice if he showed up polished, but it is the way it is. It’s not like it’s something new for him to off on the first show. In addition to him being bad, apparently there was also legitimate PA issues. If it’s still this bad in a month, I’ll join you in pushing the button. Until then, chill man. 

He was not at the top of his game coming off of a 6 month layoff, but some of the the comments in this thread are beyond ridiculous. The few songs I listened to Including Jungle were certainly not his worst performance as certain members on this board are trying to make others believe. He isn't the Axl from Houston In 2016, but even that Axl didn't sound like vintage Axl on numerous songs and hasn't for many many years now. It Is what It Is at this point. Certain songs are listenable, others  need to be skipped. We are all disappointed that certain songs or parts of songs that we love are not being performed the way that we remember(example ,second part of Estranged). But there Isn't a damn thing we can do about it. The Axl from Paris In 1992 Is  gone for good folks, enjoy what we got now, because I wouldn't be at all surprised If this Is the bands final run.  

[ludurigan]

1 hour ago, Nosaj Thing said:

New level of cringe discovered.

They are about to release a TOY BOX so it all makes perfect sense!

Only CLUELESS and NEGATIVE fans can't love the great things that this band do!

[Sydney Fan]

3 hours ago, MrMojo said:

Where do you guys rank slither in times of all time great songs? If that is your opinion of course. Yes Berlin happened, rough start but slither being played is cool. Eager to hear your takes, personally hold it up there among the best hard rock tracks.

Good song but not great song. I doubt they will be still playing it on the radio in 10 years time.

[Politania]

1 hour ago, ironmt said:

He was not at the top of his game coming off of a 6 month layoff, but some of the the comments in this thread are beyond ridiculous. The few songs I listened to Including Jungle were certainly not his worst performance as certain members on this board are trying to make others believe. He isn't the Axl from Houston In 2016, but even that Axl didn't sound like vintage Axl on numerous songs and hasn't for many many years now. It Is what It Is at this point. Certain songs are listenable, others  need to be skipped. We are all disappointed that certain songs or parts of songs that we love are not being performed the way that we remember(example ,second part of Estranged). But there Isn't a damn thing we can do about it. The Axl from Paris In 1992 Is  gone for good folks, enjoy what we got now, because I wouldn't be at all surprised If this Is the bands final run.  

it is sad

[Top-Hatted One]

7 hours ago, Cruel Intentions said:

If I never hear them cover Wichita Lineman again it'll be too soon. That song is such a mood killer.

I only listed to Slither so far...Axl must be sick, he sounded incredibly nasily. He also is singing it way wrong and needs to sing the verses in the same key he sings Brownstone, CD, Easy, etc. I would totally prefer to hear them cover Fall To Pieces, but this is better than nothing. It's so weird that he just randomly decided now of all times to do this song live.

He will sound like crap on Fall to Pieces. He can't even sing his own songs SCOM & Nov Rain.

91-93 Axl would've killed it

[Towelie]

3 hours ago, shotsfired cro said:

_{I have thousands of bootlegs I traded back in the day, even beforetrackers were around, spent money and time - there was no better feeling than postman bringing those packages full of cd's...I have the whole era 1986-93, but yesterday I couldn't listen more than 3 songs for about 3 minutes each. I don't let anyone else there tell me he was a bigger fan but now I am about to give up for good.} 

_{He had 8 months to prepare, get a vocal coach, get on a diet that would enable him to sing better, show some respect to the fans that pay tickets shit load of money to see this disaster, what does he do?  Shows absolute negligence.  Absolute ignorance towards, fans, Slash and Duff, GNR name.  He literally tells the fans 'give me your money stupid people', does so with a smismile on his face. Disgrace! He deserves a slap on his face. Turns GNR  brand into an absolute comedy. Axl if you don't feel like doing this anymore, get the hell out and take Frank, melissa and Fortus with you.  Izzy can sing half of the songs anyway up to a standard that would be respectful to the fans.}

Bang on!

That's why all the excuses blaming the venue or Axl being sick just don't wash. Axl is unprofessional, this is why things like this continue to happen. Bridge School aside, he has form for being underprepared and not bothering to be sufficiently warmed up for shows after a long break. How he is not ashamed to perform like this is beyond me as he sounds fucking dreadful and is making a total embarrassment of himself. Axl doesn't deserve any sympathy when he is being lazy and taking peoples money without giving them the show they deserved.

[Top-Hatted One]

5 hours ago, Chester 524 said:

as others have said, isn't Axl sick more than anyone you know?  and isn't duff a vitamin c specialist (paraphrasing, I'm referring most recent interview with Chris Jehrico)?  

isn't Melissa also a vocal coach?   can't they play backing tracks for the parts axl cant sing????  HOW IS HE GETTING THIS MUCH WORSE???  what does Axl Think when he goes back and watches video of the show?

I have to wonder what Slash and Duff think...... do they see a reputable future staying in GNR?  or will the more time that goes by make this band a joke?

nonetheless I'm hoping it gets better and looking forward to some new songs.  you think Slash would change it up and play Anastasia for his solo?  

Time went by and they became a joke...

[Padme]

Where are all those people claming Izzy and Adler are unreliable? Where are the people who were bashing Adler's new singer?

[Top-Hatted One]

10 hours ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

They are totally right...

NO FUCKS GIVEN$$$$$$$

-duff

(2014-2018)

 

They don't give a fuck what fans think of their performance. They only want your money, loot etc

Edited June 5, 2018 by Top-Hatted One

[ZoSoRose]

5 minutes ago, Padme said:

Where are all those people claming Izzy and Adler are unreliable? Where are the people who were bashing Adler's new singer?

I'll always root for GNR/Axl but this is bang on. Axls vocals can be downright unlistenable at times in 2017 and now 2018, it is inexcusable to say Izzy and Steven may not be up to par performance wise when the bands frontman is performing at such a level

[Black Sabbath]

2001-2002 "Wow this band is a joke and Axl sounds awful. GN'R is dead."

2006-2007 "Wow Axl is back and better than ever! (Still wish we had Slash though)" 

2009-2010 "Holy shit, these setlists and Axl's voice, the band is on fire! (Still want Slash though)"

2011-2012 "Axl's a little rough here and there but the shows are still good. We still want Slash and Duff back though."

2013-2014 "Wow Axl sounds terrible. He's done. GN'R is dead. I don't even want a reunion now."

2016 "Wow, Slash and Duff are back, Axl looks and sounds better, this is incredible! (We did want an original lineup reunion though)" 

2017 "Wow Axl doesn't sound like he did last year. The setlists are longer, but what's the point? And where are Izzy and Steven?" 

2018 "Axl is done. GN'R is dead. Good thing Slash is going back to solo stuff." 

 

 

I'm not excusing the majority of Axl's performance at the first show, but you lot are insufferable. Move on and wait until the next show and see what happens from there.

[ZoSoRose]

3 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

2001-2002 "Wow this band is a joke and Axl sounds awful. GN'R is dead."

2006-2007 "Wow Axl is back and better than ever! (Still wish we had Slash though)" 

2009-2010 "Holy shit, these setlists and Axl's voice, the band is on fire! (Still want Slash though)"

2011-2012 "Axl's a little rough here and there but the shows are still good. We still want Slash and Duff back though."

2013-2014 "Wow Axl sounds terrible. He's done. GN'R is dead. I don't even want a reunion now."

2016 "Wow, Slash and Duff are back, Axl looks and sounds better, this is incredible! (We did want an original lineup reunion though)" 

2017 "Wow Axl doesn't sound like he did last year. The setlists are longer, but what's the point? And where are Izzy and Steven?" 

2018 "Axl is done. GN'R is dead. Good thing Slash is going back to solo stuff." 

 

 

I'm not excusing the majority of Axl's performance at the first show, but you lot are insufferable. Move on and wait until the next show and see what happens from there.

I mean, this is the Berlin show thread, no?

[nikothebellic]

1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

I mean, this is the Berlin show thread, no?

I think the point is that many people here are too stubborn - we(they) demand to old Axl to come back, but it’s not gonna happen anyway. It’s just like to wait from an aged athlette or football player to do the job as he did years before - with all his broken and outworn bones. The same thing we have here. But we would’t so easy give up on an ill friend or relative even knowing that he/she wouldn’t make it? I mean, what the point to complain severely if what we have here is irresistable. 

And the good news is that everything is not bad at all. GnR just become clearly Live-Band - when you are on the venue and scream songs alongside the Axl, you don’t notice all that negative things. When I was in Finland last summer it was an awesome experience and only later through videos I inderstand that actually Axl was not so on fire. 

Yet again, eventually we will get some more shows like Houston, Hershey or Forum, but still, the fantasy that they’ll be doing such performance on regulat basis is... well, bias. 

And taking in consideration, that Berlin show was screwd up not only by lead singer, but also by sound man and eventually band memebrs... I wouldn’t let all dogs on Axl. And who left earlier, well, I am sorry for you. Where is your tolerance to sick people and understanding that this is the first gig. Or it’s just a strategy “or they will play like I want or I go”. Moreover, PC was pretty decent. I mean, in terms of previous EU gigs. Just ordinary. 

[Eric Cantona]

Just saw the Slither clip

FUCKGI Gihttrotpglåyhø AMAC COOL COOL COOL KDSFBKDGFJS.MM,.

 

THAT WAS AXL ROSEOEO SINGING SLITHER ASIOGMAGNVCDÆ'DZ,LKFASDDSEWFKGR32 JCG13FDF03BI

[Axl_morris]

3 hours ago, Black Sabbath said:

2001-2002 "Wow this band is a joke and Axl sounds awful. GN'R is dead."

2006-2007 "Wow Axl is back and better than ever! (Still wish we had Slash though)" 

2009-2010 "Holy shit, these setlists and Axl's voice, the band is on fire! (Still want Slash though)"

2011-2012 "Axl's a little rough here and there but the shows are still good. We still want Slash and Duff back though."

2013-2014 "Wow Axl sounds terrible. He's done. GN'R is dead. I don't even want a reunion now."

2016 "Wow, Slash and Duff are back, Axl looks and sounds better, this is incredible! (We did want an original lineup reunion though)" 

2017 "Wow Axl doesn't sound like he did last year. The setlists are longer, but what's the point? And where are Izzy and Steven?" 

2018 "Axl is done. GN'R is dead. Good thing Slash is going back to solo stuff." 

 

 

I'm not excusing the majority of Axl's performance at the first show, but you lot are insufferable. Move on and wait until the next show and see what happens from there.

 

People were complaining about Axls voice & being fat in 2006. There has always been moaning fans, every tour.

[Blackstar]

9 hours ago, ludurigan said:

 

did he say it was a bad experiment?

just re-read the rollingstone.com story about it and there is no mention about axl saying it could be "bad" or anything like that

according to the article axl said"If anybody will fuck up on it, it'll be me". video is here

 

It doesn't have to be the exact word. The context is about the same.

Anyway, you have come up with a theory and insist on it. Fine.

But I still don't understand why you care so much about how Slither was performed by "Guns N' Aliens". Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember you being all over the thread when Axl sang Black Hole Sun, for example.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Blackstar

[DieselDaisy]

The problem with the ''it's only the first show'' excuse is it doesn't really help the paying punter out, who's presumably paid the same extortionate amount as those attending the tenth or twentieth show. 

[Nosaj Thing]

Where's @maynard?

[ludurigan]

36 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It doesn't have to be the exact word. The context is about the same.

Anyway, you have come up with a theory and insist on it. Fine.

But I still don't understand why you care so much about how Slither was performed by "Guns N' Aliens". Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember you being all over the thread when Axl sang Black Hole Sun, for example.

that was not half as bad as slither. this performance of slither is completely unbelievable.

about caring, thats very simple, i care about everything that any of the guns n roses guys do. i follow them since forever, i check everything they do and everytime there is a "new" song by any of them -- axl, izzy, slash, duff or steven -- i am ready to listen. GNA is a joke but they have axl singing, slash and duff playing so anytime they play a "new" song (like slither, black hole sun, i got you or whatever) i am gonna definitely check it out, for sure. unless its one of those stupid instrumental jams, because i have zero interest in listening to slash jamming with axl's aliens!

oh, and i love talking about them, specially about guns n roses

 

[Tadsy]

15 hours ago, beautifulanddamned said:

That Slither is not bad. I have complicated feelings about Axl's performance, but the band powered through what was clearly a rough show for them.  Horrible sound, rough voice, unfilled stadium, vaguely interested audience-not the kind of show you want to open a leg of the tour with. Hopefully they shake it off.

This! 

Ive just watched that slither clip, and I've got to say, what I saw wasn't all axls fault. 

That venue doesn't lend itself to good acoustics. It sounds hollow, Tinny and you could hear it reverberating around the stadium. 

Secondly, crowds in 2018 are shite. Maybe they were just put off by what they could hear, and their reaction of being uninterested was the result of that I dunno, 

but it's a shocking atmosphere and the crowd didn't help. 

I know playing stadiums is where the band wants to be but bigger isn't always better, I'd much prefer smaller venues, better acoustics, full crowds and an atmosphere. 

It just seems to me that a lot of people in this crowd didn't even know this song... make of that what you will, but even if slither was average, walking off in the middle of it (which is what I saw) wouldn't be my reaction if I knew the history of the band and this song? Which brings me back to crowds, generally they are lame these days trying to film a song they are at a live concert at, makes no sense to me. 

The more I see the more I'm actually prepared to give Axl the benefit of the doubt on this. 

 

Of course axl wasnt on as well well but I think there's a lot of things at play that contributed to this type of performance and hopefully it's all fixed by the next show. 

Just my opinion though. 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Tadsy

[DieselDaisy]

German crowds have clenched buttocks, a bit like English crowds. 

 

[ludurigan]

4 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

I'll always root for GNR/Axl but this is bang on. Axls vocals can be downright unlistenable at times in 2017 and now 2018, it is inexcusable to say Izzy and Steven may not be up to par performance wise when the bands frontman is performing at such a level

not only that, axl created endless problems in 1991 and found a way to blame izzy for not moving onstage and other bullshit

and people repeat axl's nonsense to this day

its unbelievable

seriously i have come to the conclusion that axl will never do a GNR reunion because that woud totally EXPOSE him, like a million times more than he is exposed today

today you have all these "distractions" onstage specially the drummer and the alien guitar player destroying all the groove and the feel of the songs

so you get mad at axl for his shitty voice and performance but you also get mad at the aliens

remove the aliens and bring GNR back

what you have?

you have izzy, slash, duff and steven playing great -- believe me, they would sound 18 million times better than this crap joke of a band

and you would have axl singing like he's been singing

axl would be exposed as the weak link in GNR

[Tadsy]

3 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

not only that, axl created endless problems in 1991 and found a way to blame izzy for not moving onstage and other bullshit

and people repeat axl's nonsense to this day

its unbelievable

seriously i have come to the conclusion that axl will never do a GNR reunion because that woud totally EXPOSE him, like a million times more than he is exposed today

today you have all these "distractions" onstage specially the drummer and the alien guitar player destroying all the groove and the feel of the songs

so you get mad at axl for his shitty voice and performance but you also get mad at the aliens

remove the aliens and bring GNR back

what you have?

you have izzy, slash, duff and steven playing great -- believe me, they would sound 18 million times better than this crap joke of a band

and you would have axl singing like he's been singing

axl would be exposed as the weak link in GNR

I can live with this point above too. 

As has been explained over and over, izzy &  Steven would bring a swing and groove back that's missing, most of us agree on that. 

But I think it's also reasonable to assess that these songs and the way they sound great are more conducive to a fit 25 year old than an ageing 57 year old? 

What I mean by that is, what standard do you find acceptable for axls performance. He's not going to get back to 91 levels even if he gets a vocal coach in. He's also probably the weak link because his job is the hardest to do as they all get older. 

Im not just sticking up for Axl because I get what you're saying in essence, he needs to put more time in pre show, vocal coaching, general fitness, rehearsals, diet, whatever, he's not being professional. 

I get all that. 

I just don't know what percentage of blame he should take overall for yesterday's performance because as I said above, I think it's rather complicated situation that's hard to put a finger on. 

[vloors]

20 minutes ago, Tadsy said:

This! 

Ive just watched that slither clip, and I've got to say, what I saw wasn't all axls fault. 

That venue doesn't lend itself to good acoustics. It sounds hollow, Tinny and you could hear it reverberating around the stadium. 

Secondly, crowds in 2018 are shite. Maybe they were just put off by what they could hear, and their reaction of being uninterested was the result of that I dunno, 

but it's a shocking atmosphere and the crowd didn't help. 

I know playing stadiums is where the band wants to be but bigger isn't always better, I'd much prefer smaller venues, better acoustics, full crowds and an atmosphere. 

It just seems to me that a lot of people in this crowd didn't even know this song... make of that what you will, but even if slither was average, walking off in the middle of it (which is what I saw) wouldn't be my reaction if I knew the history of the band and this song? Which brings me back to crowds, generally they are lame these days trying to film a song they are at a live concert at, makes no sense to me. 

The more I see the more I'm actually prepared to give Axl the benefit of the doubt on this. 

Just my opinion though. 

I agree to everything you said. Lame crowd atmosphere, bad sound, etc.

After watching again I will have to include the band wasnt crash hot either. Axl wasnt the only problem here with his vocal struggles.

The blue haired one was just plain annoying to watch randomly head banging even before the song starts to kick in.

Frank was all over the place with the drums timing and sound. He did not play the song anything close to the original. He to me is the biggest problem with the band's sound. The bands sound doesnt mesh well with franks style at all. He slaughters every song. He might be a nice guy but the band really needs to fire him and get a better more suited drummer.

Slash and duff were good. Fortus seemed good but low in the mix.

Heres hoping Frank gets fired after this show and axl gets some help to get his balls deep rasp back.

Edited June 5, 2018 by vloors