STEVEN ADLER: "Izzy is just as heartbroken as I am that the three of them decided to leave us out and bring three strangers in–who are those people?"

[SoulMonster]

44 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I don’t recall anyone at the time caring about Steven being replaced. 

I concur. It wasn't a big deal at all at the time -- I can't remember much noise about it in the media and I can't remember fans being overly distressed about it. I actually think Steven's playing is more appreciated today than it was back then. Not even Izzy leaving was much of a deal at the time. While Steven suffered from just being a "nondescript drummer", Izzy suffered from the monomane focus the media had on Axl and Slash in the early 90s. They were Guns N' Roses. Only they mattered. 

And of course it is still like that, which is why casuals don't whine about who's on drums or who else is playing with Axl and Slash in 2018. And if they worry that this isn't a genuine reunion, that they don't really get to experience the legendary band as it was in the 80s or 90s, then that worry is stifled when they remember, or someone tells them, that Duff is also an old-timer. Three out of 5, hey, that's surely good enough, right? 

[appetite4illusions]

Just look at it this way:

The two guys who were left out of the project were two guys who have not been in real bands since Guns N' Roses. That tells you all you need to know right there.

Yes, they've been in sporadic solo projects where they've dictated the slow pace and the touring schedule, but neither one of them are "band oriented." They're semi retired and they live off their GnR royalties.

A working musician is just that, a musician who works, who hustles. Steven and Izzy haven't had to hustle since the turn of the nineties.

[trqster]

Adler just gives himself too damn much importance! And btw he should be used by now being disposed, after getting his ass fired back in the day. Just sayin... 

I'm sure Axl will dedicate either DTJ or Sorry to him in the next NITLT tour. 

[bigpoop]

26 minutes ago, appetite4illusions said:

Just look at it this way:

The two guys who were left out of the project were two guys who have not been in real bands since Guns N' Roses. That tells you all you need to know right there.

Yes, they've been in sporadic solo projects where they've dictated the slow pace and the touring schedule, but neither one of them are "band oriented." They're semi retired and they live off their GnR royalties.

A working musician is just that, a musician who works, who hustles. Steven and Izzy haven't had to hustle since the turn of the nineties.

Number of albums released since UYI:

Izzy - eleven

Axl -  one

[appetite4illusions]

11 minutes ago, bigpoop said:

Number of albums released since UYI:

Izzy - eleven

Axl -  one

I guess you missed my point.

The two guys who were left out, have not been in original bands, since GNR.

Izzy can record a solo album at his own pace over the course of several years if he wants. That's not working, that's a hobby. I'm referring to gigging and hardcore gigging at that. That is what most working musicians know as a day in day out job, because it is the only way they make money, these days.

Being in an original band means that you have to start over. You have to build a brand up from the ground with rigorous touring. Adler and Izzy have fallen back on GnR royalties. Nothing wrong with that. They just don't have a desire to start over. Either one of them could be in lots of bands and try to build the brand up, but they don't have the desire nor the inclination to do that. I think that's a huge factor for Axl, Slash and Duff.

Axl dragged his feet to an epic degree with Chinese Democracy but he's toured like a true professional for most of his career. Slash and Duff have commendably gone on to be in lots of different bands, most notably, Velvet Revolver, which was a legitimate band that in no way tried to lean on GnR's legacy.

[AxlRoseCDII]

19 minutes ago, bigpoop said:

Number of albums released since UYI:

Izzy - eleven

Axl -  one

This roast was absolutely brilliant.

[The Holographic Universe]

31 minutes ago, appetite4illusions said:

I guess you missed my point.

The two guys who were left out, have not been in original bands, since GNR.

Izzy can record a solo album at his own pace over the course of several years if he wants. That's not working, that's a hobby. I'm referring to gigging and hardcore gigging at that. That is what most working musicians know as a day in day out job, because it is the only way they make money, these days.

Being in an original band means that you have to start over. You have to build a brand up from the ground with rigorous touring. Adler and Izzy have fallen back on GnR royalties. Nothing wrong with that. They just don't have a desire to start over. Either one of them could be in lots of bands and try to build the brand up, but they don't have the desire nor the inclination to do that. I think that's a huge factor for Axl, Slash and Duff.

Axl dragged his feet to an epic degree with Chinese Democracy but he's toured like a true professional for most of his career. Slash and Duff have commendably gone on to be in lots of different bands, most notably, Velvet Revolver, which was a legitimate band that in no way tried to lean on GnR's legacy.

Yeah, he missed the point.

[Tom2112]

20 minutes ago, bigpoop said:

Number of albums released since UYI:

Izzy - eleven

Axl -  one

Count the number of concerts played since UYI and the numbers that each person managed to draw. That has much more to do with what GNR is today, and likely a big reason behind the minimised role he (Izzy) was offered.

Also, Axls one album received 1000 times more publicity and probably sales, than (I'd imagine) Izzy's 11 eleven albums combined. That's not a comment on the quality of either sides music though. I'd say that if Izzy had been a bit more above the radar since UYI, you'd be seeing him on that NITL tour, and promoters would have pushed for him to be there. I can barely name one Izzy solo song and I'd be shocked if I walked into a store and was able to by one of his albums.

Neither managed to capitalise on the success of GNR, the vast majority of GNR fans didn't follow their careers... highlighted by each releases album sales and lack of top 100 chart hits since 1993 (in Izzys case). I'd bet most people who followed Guns in the 80s and 90s have no clue that Izzy has 11 albums released, or that Steven has a solo album; and with that their bargaining power is diminished. Duff had VR, Loaded, a huge book and remained very much in the public eye. Slash had Snakepit, VR, face of Guitar hero, a huge book, a huge 2nd solo career and was on TV and radio consistently for the 20yrs he was out of the band... both of those guys had star power behind them, not to forget big managers who know how to fight and get good deals.

My personal opinion on Izzy is that he's effortlessly cool, and an underrated songwriter and musician. I'm definitely not anti Izzy, or Steven. I think things would have been much easier if Guns had just said "Izzy do you want to tour with us?" and gave him the few extra thousand he asked for, for the few shows he was going to appear at... but it wasn't meat to be.

[vloors]

18 hours ago, BOSSY78 said:

This right here^^^^

I have always brought up how he does these interviews and people think he's so nice but he's always putting people down. He seems two faced and fake at times. Sure his smile is infectious and I respect and love the contributions he made as a drummer of GnR but he proves why the band was leery about giving him more shows.

The audacity he has to act like his band will do GnR better than GnR is crazy.

In every interview he makes sure to throw shade at the band members and then smiles and says how great they are or how great it was. He also makes sure to plug Izzy's name as well.

I quite enjoyed Sorum on drums. He now pretty much has said the band was chit without him in so many words.

People this is likely what Axl meant when he said he would think everything was cool but Steven always managed to head straight to the media with his chit. I would find it hard to trust the guy as well.

 

I mean he acted so friendly with the 3 band members he claims not to know who they are hanging out and taking pictures now he talks badly of them. SMH I'm done with listening to him use Izzy's name and act like he is what made GnR. Being honest most fans saw GnR as GnR with Sorum as well.This doesn't diminish what he has done in the band but for me I don't see why they would bring him back.

So many were blinded by how he actually was doing this the whole time even before the reunion. He was so good at throwing in just enough nice things or being so excited and projecting how he loves the fans so much, that many overlooked the writing on the wall.

Now he is basically saying his mother kept a diary and they will answer anything is laughable. 

As far as Izzy goes I still have faith in one day.

Agree with everything you said. 

I also think his dragging izzys name into the mud with him.

I doubt izzy even considers adler reliable and probably sees him a little toxic too. He hasnt bothered having him guest on any songs but his done a couple with Sorum. If he thought adler was so great then why make songs with sorum instead of with adler. Im sure adler isnt busy. 

Someone like adler would be bad around ex junkies because his on the verge of relapsing at any time. I have my doubts he is even sober now. His always claimed he was in the past then next minute his back in rehab lol.

His still doing weed and boozing at the very least.

[killuridols]

11 hours ago, lukigol said:

hope he will never play with them, he is mentaly retarded

HEY!

[IrishgunnerII]

I'm convinced Steven is scared shitless that his contribution to Appetite will be erased(which is a stupid thought) and he needs to keep himself in the public eye to remind people that he was part of that album. I mean Izzy doesn't seem arsed about this tour, and while it would've been amazing to have Izzy on stage during this tour, it didn't happen. Izzy seems to be happy to let his body of work with GNR stand and he doesn't seem to want to remind people all the time. 

[Modano09]

Like I said before, realistically, they'd be out of their mind to have that tour relying on Alder. And Duff can attest to that, because he let Alder open for Loaded on a Japanese tour in 2013 and Alder went off on a bender - and then, shockingly, blamed the stressed on the tour and Duff for judging him. If he couldn't handle that, do you want to trust him with a 2 year, GNR reunion stadium tour?

And this is pretty typical of him. If he's getting what he wants, or thinks he's going to, he says all the right things. He did that interview a while back, after the tour and was doing his subtle "it was great but they were so mean to poor me" routine. And now he's straight out whining and playing the victim. He's not there for good reason and proves it every time he opens his mouth.

[kiwiguns]

Responsibility needs to be placed on Steven and more so the people he has around him as support or advisers. Comments made recently by a member of his support group, leads me to think Steven is getting bad advise or being taken advantage of by these other people.

They simply need to remind Steven that the other guys (Guns N Roses) are doing there thing and we are doing our thing.

That will keep him on track when it comes to doing interviews so he speaks on the present not the past.

I also think Steven needs to be careful speaking on behalf of others (Izzy) in this case, as he will alienate himself evenmore to the point were there will be no way back.

Sadly that may have already occured.

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by kiwiguns

[Order of Nine]

3 minutes ago, kiwiguns said:

Responsibility needs to be placed on Steven and more so the people he has around him as support or advisers. Comments made recently by a member of his support group, leads me to think Steven is getting bad advise or being taken advantage of by these other people.

They simply need to remind Steven that the other guys (Guns N Roses) are doing there thing and we are doing our thing.

That will keep him on track when it comes to doing interviews so he speaks on the present not the past.

I also think Steven and his advisers need to be careful speaking on behalf of others (Izzy) in this case, as he will alienate himself evenmore to the point were there will be no way back.

Sadly that may have already occured.

 

 

 

I think enough time has passed that it's safe to say this is Steven being Steven. 

I wouldn't want him on a huge tour  acting as a liability either. He seems like he hasn't matured much since his teens.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Order of Nine

[Modano09]

31 minutes ago, kiwiguns said:

Responsibility needs to be placed on Steven and more so the people he has around him as support or advisers. Comments made recently by a member of his support group, leads me to think Steven is getting bad advise or being taken advantage of by these other people.

They simply need to remind Steven that the other guys (Guns N Roses) are doing there thing and we are doing our thing.

That will keep him on track when it comes to doing interviews so he speaks on the present not the past.

I also think Steven needs to be careful speaking on behalf of others (Izzy) in this case, as he will alienate himself evenmore to the point were there will be no way back.

Sadly that may have already occured.

 

He's mentioning Izzy because he knows Izzy has more respect and sympathy that he does and he's trying to get in on that.

[marunic]

Adler is right, i love how everyone just sweeps him aside.

Really its proof that nobody like the truth

[Ace Nova]

I want to see Adler involved as much as anyone but he, out of all people, should know that he isn't doing himself any favors by putting stuff like this out there.  Anyway, I hope that the band doesn't read too much into it and they should know by now that Adler wears his emotions on his sleeves....and comments like this are just part of his personality.  I can pretty much guarantee that if he's ever involved with them again, that he would get along fine with everyone in the band, including Frank, Melissa and Fortus......

Edited April 15, 2018 by Kasanova King

[soon]

Maybe this has been said before, but to me it seems like Adler is often just a bit behind the 8 ball with Guns way of operating.  Like in 89 I can picture him being like "Izzy Im doing all the drugs!! G'N'F'N'ROSES!!!!!"  But Izzy had stopped doing drugs and Axl was well fed up by then.  Or how all the band used to slag one another off in the press and talk major shit about other bands not being the real deal.  Now Adler does so at a time when Guns is doing almost zero press and being cordial when they do.  Adler even used his mudslinging as an opportunity to remind them they can call him back to play, lol.

At this rate in 10 years time Adler will intentionally grow a pot belly and sport a porn stache to be GNR ready.

Mighty drummer though!

[Tadsy]

I don't understand why certain sections of this fan base think Steven should STFU. 

Yet the same sections of this fan base remain outspoken? 

 

Makes no sense to me at all that people can lecture Steven on what he should or shouldn't say in public. 🤔

Steven towed the line for months and months after the troubadour show, he said nothing, played their game and still got slapped down publicly. He was in a no win situation, where by if he accepts what happened in Argentina, he's seen as soft and easy to manipulate and if he speaks his mind then the same people on here say it's boring and repetitive and blah blah blah 

perhaps it's entirely possible that Steven decided to eat some shit burgers in the hope that things might get better and he might get more songs on this tour, and perhaps when he realised that wasn't a chance of happening he decided that he had nothing to lose by speaking out, either way, there was always 

going to be people on here bagging him. 

At the end of the day, the big 3 fucked him, and they fucked izzy, ant attempts to gloss that over are ridiculous, we all understand the reasons, but you can't tell me there wasn't options to make it work. They just chose not too. 

 

[WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself]

Steven has the right to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

Izzy has the right to ask whatever amount of money he thinks he deserves.

GNR has the right to weigh each case up and decide "all things considered" which is the best / most viable configuration for the band in the long run.

 

 

[DieselDaisy]

4 hours ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said:

Steven has the right to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

Izzy has the right to ask whatever amount of money he thinks he deserves.

GNR has the right to weigh each case up and decide "all things considered" which is the best / most viable configuration for the band in the long run.

 

 

I see you've made Slash the judge, jury and executioner hohoho?

I wonder if Slash said when saying his wedding vows (he has done this a few times), ''when all things are considered, I Slash take thee Perla to be my wedded Wife...''?

Edited April 15, 2018 by DieselDaisy
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[MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle]

9 hours ago, Tadsy said:

I don't understand why certain sections of this fan base think Steven should STFU. 

Yet the same sections of this fan base remain outspoken? 

Makes no sense to me at all that people can lecture Steven on what he should or shouldn't say in public. 

You've got a point.  Also, your post made me think: we take a pop at Steven for not being able to let GNR go, for living in the past, for not moving forward.  Really, it's Axl who has never been able to let GNR go and move on.  Guns, or the idea of it, has dominated his entire life.  And that's been bad for Axl, and his career, as it's turned out.

Axl admitted he saw the writing on the wall as early as before the Illusions tour; he should have let the band die when Duff left.  Instead, he hoarded the name and tried to keep it alive by artificial means e.g. hired hands.  He spent a good chunk of his early years obsessed with certain muses and lovers, but his greatest muse and love is Guns N' Roses.  His obsession with that name makes Steven Adler look well adjusted. 

I wish, with hindsight, that he’d not clung to the Guns N' Roses name.  I wish he'd released CD under his own name in 99/2000 and had let it be the crazy, progressive, industrial album it should have been, then put it behind him, and continued to release solo material, going from strength to strength and developing as an artist.  He could have done whatever he wanted to: industrial, country, orchestral rock, that instrumental album he always wanted to do, Axl and Friends - think of all the people he could have collaborated with over the years!  All the gifted guitarists he could have worked with.  And how much more liberating and satisfying would that approach have been than the one where he spent 15 years as custodian of a dead thing, desperately trying to safeguard its fading memory?

I read that Kylie Minogue has put out her 14th album.  Kylie Minogue!  It should be Axl putting out his 14th album, alongside the reunion.  He has a natural talent.  Instead of nurturing it over the years, his inability to let Guns N’ Roses go, and follow his own path, has stunted his creative growth.

And what we have now is…well, what we have now, which is the NITL tour.  And no new music.

At least we can say that Steven is making some attempt to move on.  Axl never has.

Edited April 15, 2018 by MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle

[EvanG]

29 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

I wish, with hindsight, that he’d not clung to the Guns N' Roses name.  I wish he'd released CD under his own name in 99/2000 and had let it be the crazy, progressive, industrial album it should have been, then put it behind him

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Furthermore, because the new material has been composed collaboratively with the new players, he insists, "It's not an Axl Rose album, even if it's what I wanted it to be. Everybody is putting everything they've got into singing and building. Maybe I'm helping steer it to what it should be built like." https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/axl-speaks-20000203

I wouldn't have continued under the GnR name personally if I had been in his situation, but in a way I do understand it. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter to me whether he released it under his own name, a different band name, or the GnR name. The problem is that he released only one album in the last 25 years.

[Tori72]

Just wanna say that all those threads about Izzy, Steven or both of them are among the longest and most wildly discussed. You know why that is, folks.

[EvanG]

3 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Just wanna say that all those threads about Izzy, Steven or both of them are among the longest and most wildly discussed. You know why that is, folks.

Because GnR fans are just as crazy as the band and love to repeat themselves till no end?

In a few weeks there's another quote or thread made and this whole topic will repeat itself again with every poster saying the same thing again.