Are GNR the new Rolling stones?

[DieselDaisy]

It was because Jagger was a terrible businessman earlier on. The Stones had been fleeced by about 1970. They don't even own their pre-70 recordings!!

[Len Cnut]

14 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Who was it again that said Jagger was an average singer?

What do I get for the right answer, a washer dryer combo?

5 hours ago, felixGNR said:

oasis had no balls.

I'd take Liam in a fight against just about anybody in The Stones or GnR

[EvanG]

Just now, Len Cnut said:

What do I get for the right answer, a washer dryer combo?

You will get two tickets for the Rolling Stones' ''farewell'' tour in 2028.

[Len Cnut]

6 minutes ago, EvanG said:

You will get two tickets for the Rolling Stones' ''farewell'' tour in 2028.

I wouldn't show

[EvanG]

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

I wouldn't show

Oh well, then I'll give the answer... as I'm sure everyone knows... it was.... Keith Richards!

[Len Cnut]

10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Oh well, then I'll give the answer... as I'm sure everyone knows... it was.... Keith Richards!

Keiths a wonderful guitar player but lets be honest, he talks a gargantuan amount of bollocks.  I've come to the conclusion that he's on a wind up most of the time and in his sincere moments he's a sort of an affable sort of guy.  Bookish and studious.  A closet stamp collector.

Edited July 27, 2018 by Len Cnut

[wasted]

5 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Yeh, Stones were 60s/70s, Aerosmith 70s/80s, Guns 80s/90s. 

Maybe grunge killed the bloodline!? Or electronic music (I went to dance for a decade, for some happy hardcore and uplifting trance to escape gloomy grunge, although I liked a lot of the grunge music!). 

Or industry changes; end of big contracts and publishing deals (don't think Illusion albums would've happened if self-financed - would Axl have crowdfunded?!).

There have been lots of good bands since Guns, but for me and how I've viewed it here from a UK perspective, I'd put Kasabian as their closest heirs: for good music, controversy (Manson connection, named after one of the 'family', Linda Kasabian; not that I agree with the Manson family! A recent documentary I saw said the Helter Skelter story was mostly lies and exaggeration by the prosecuting lawyer, who made a mint writing a book about it, although the 'family' did do the murders, although for more menial reasons, showing up society lies and dispelling the Manson genius myth) and impact.

Kasabian's first two albums were great rockers, like early Guns, and then they've mellowed since. Unfortunately, for me their mellower stuff hasn't come close to matching the Guns classics though. But still good. 

Marilyn Manson was maybe the next GNR style glam metal controversy band, but guns just added more classic 70s rock and punk to Aero DC. 

I remember being at a festival seeing The Strokes break out. But they really shied away from the Bono talk. 

Fall Out Boy are pretty big. Jack White needed to hook up with a meglomaniac singer. 

[Len Cnut]

7 minutes ago, wasted said:

Marilyn Manson was maybe the next GNR style glam metal controversy band, but guns just added more classic 70s rock and punk to Aero DC. 

I remember being at a festival seeing The Strokes break out. But they really shied away from the Bono talk. 

Fall Out Boy are pretty big. Jack White needed to hook up with a meglomaniac singer. 

The chief issue with Manson is that he's boring and shite.  The Strokes look the business and sounded pretty good on that first album but proved to not really have a lot mileage in em.  I wouldn't know Fall Out Boy if i tripped over em and Jack White has got tits.  A fuckin' man with tits can never be fuckin' cool

[zombux]

37 minutes ago, wasted said:

Marilyn Manson was maybe the next GNR style glam metal controversy band, but guns just added more classic 70s rock and punk to Aero DC. 

Manson indeed WAS a star similar to GNR, but similarly to GNR his star was only shining for a few years and then all went to poop. nowadays he's laughable and unable to record anything at least decent. The Pale Emperor was the only at least over average album in the last 15 years, and still it was more like Tyler Bates feat. Marilyn Manson. it's much like MM's ideas dried out with The Trilogy, and while I really like Grotesque, it was way too experimental for his fanbase and the following albums were mostly total trash. yeah, actually there are many similarities to GNR  Antichrist Superstar is like his AFD and Mechanical Animals/Holy Wood are like GNR's UYII/II. 

[Len Cnut]

Manson was fuckin' bollocks.  The thing about 'shock' and all that fuckin' shite is when you're clearly trying to shock it stops being shocking.  Shock works when it confronts you with something a bit frightening.  When Axl, the small town whiteboy, looking like you're average fuckin' rock n roll singer busts out with One In A Million its kinda shocking but contentious too, it kinda raises questions that people are afraid of the answers too, therein lies its values, The Sex Pistols were a heightened version of the same thing, they presented a reality that people didn't want to deal with, The Stones, too a point, with their free sexuality and all that shit, presented their times with something that challenged something in em.

But Manson, on the other hand, to me is akin to...I dunno, just trying REALLY hard.  Like a kid knowing the word fuck will raise eyebrows so he just runs around goin' 'fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck' with no rhyme or reason.  Thats Manson to me, all that face painting and blood and Charlie Manson allusions and fuckin' wiping his arse on the bible.  There's no actual substance to it, in the late 90s, to me, it was like...so what?  The stuff that made him 'shocking' isn't anything that we all couldn't do if we were that way inclined, he wasn't controversial due to any talent or insight, he was controversial due to acting like a pranny.  Its kind of contrived and uninspired.

[moreblack]

I think he got very worn down by the whole Columbine thing, when you say all this shocking message and then someone goes out and does it with your lyrics as inspiration. Or even just the media portraying you as responsible for those kid's heads and the massacre.

[wasted]

5 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

The chief issue with Manson is that he's boring and shite.  The Strokes look the business and sounded pretty good on that first album but proved to not really have a lot mileage in em.  I wouldn't know Fall Out Boy if i tripped over em and Jack White has got tits.  A fuckin' man with tits can never be fuckin' cool

After Kurt blew his head off nobody  fancies going all out. Hard drugs would probably turn all these bands into proper bands. I mean what do they do with their time? Just posting on mygnr? 

[wasted]

5 hours ago, zombux said:

Manson indeed WAS a star similar to GNR, but similarly to GNR his star was only shining for a few years and then all went to poop. nowadays he's laughable and unable to record anything at least decent. The Pale Emperor was the only at least over average album in the last 15 years, and still it was more like Tyler Bates feat. Marilyn Manson. it's much like MM's ideas dried out with The Trilogy, and while I really like Grotesque, it was way too experimental for his fanbase and the following albums were mostly total trash. yeah, actually there are many similarities to GNR  Antichrist Superstar is like his AFD and Mechanical Animals/Holy Wood are like GNR's UYII/II. 

After that the band probably broke up? I think he just does coke with Johnny Depp and fucks porn stars now. Which might be nice. 

[Ace Nova]

Forbes seems to think so:

"Fast-forward 10 years, and the band’s public perception has greatly improved. Now heralded as the rightful successors to classic rock legends such as Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones, Guns N’ Roses have secured their legacy as hard rock elites and won back fans who felt scorned by their old behavior."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2018/07/27/4-reasons-a-new-guns-n-roses-album-would-be-a-huge-success/#18e7b2636676

[Len Cnut]

9 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

Forbes seems to think so:

"Fast-forward 10 years, and the band’s public perception has greatly improved. Now heralded as the rightful successors to classic rock legends such as Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones, Guns N’ Roses have secured their legacy as hard rock elites and won back fans who felt scorned by their old behavior."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2018/07/27/4-reasons-a-new-guns-n-roses-album-would-be-a-huge-success/#18e7b2636676

Rightful successors?  More like fuckin’ best pick of a shite bunch.  There are no sucessors to the old guard, no one put the same amount of work in in time before the genre died.

[zombux]

39 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Rightful successors?  More like fuckin’ best pick of a shite bunch.  There are no sucessors to the old guard, no one put the same amount of work in in time before the genre died.

true. there are many extremely good bands nowadays, but none of those can be even remotely described as "classic rock".

[Axl's Agony Aunt]

19 hours ago, wasted said:

Marilyn Manson was maybe the next GNR style glam metal controversy band, but guns just added more classic 70s rock and punk to Aero DC. 

I remember being at a festival seeing The Strokes break out. But they really shied away from the Bono talk. 

Fall Out Boy are pretty big. Jack White needed to hook up with a meglomaniac singer. 

Talking of real women, or one woman, Taylor Momsen, The Pretty Reckless have looked promising, with three good bluesy rock albums, although she seemed to have succumbed to anti-white racism on the last album ('I wish I was black'), and a bit too much apparently real devil worshipry, which seems more common than ever now; hopefully it's just the Stones-style rebelliousness!

The Amorettes know their rock n' roll history, but are more straight-a-head metal rock. This song's reminiscent of Joan Jett's great I Love Rock n' Roll to me:

 

[Axl's Agony Aunt]

18 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Manson was fuckin' bollocks.  The thing about 'shock' and all that fuckin' shite is when you're clearly trying to shock it stops being shocking.  Shock works when it confronts you with something a bit frightening.  When Axl, the small town whiteboy, looking like you're average fuckin' rock n roll singer busts out with One In A Million its kinda shocking but contentious too, it kinda raises questions that people are afraid of the answers too, therein lies its values, The Sex Pistols were a heightened version of the same thing, they presented a reality that people didn't want to deal with, The Stones, too a point, with their free sexuality and all that shit, presented their times with something that challenged something in em.

But Manson, on the other hand, to me is akin to...I dunno, just trying REALLY hard.  Like a kid knowing the word fuck will raise eyebrows so he just runs around goin' 'fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck' with no rhyme or reason.  Thats Manson to me, all that face painting and blood and Charlie Manson allusions and fuckin' wiping his arse on the bible.  There's no actual substance to it, in the late 90s, to me, it was like...so what?  The stuff that made him 'shocking' isn't anything that we all couldn't do if we were that way inclined, he wasn't controversial due to any talent or insight, he was controversial due to acting like a pranny.  Its kind of contrived and uninspired.

Looks like you hurt Marilyn's feelings!: https://www.loudersound.com/news/marilyn-manson-cancels-toronto-show-due-to-an-unforeseen-illness

Eerily, Rob Zombie covered for Marilyn, and it was his documentary I saw about Marilyn's Charles inspiration that dispelled the Helter Skelter myth.

More seriously, I think it's good when the 'counter-culture' does something constructive like that, finding the truth in social myths; rather than just wanting to create new lies and myths, or destroy and kill everything, which seems the way its generally going in the social media age!

While it may seem an eerie coincidence, they happen all the time. On yesterday's news they had a writer from Salisbury who's in the middle of writing a book about Russian spy poisoning... when all the poisonings happened there... by somebody, with Russians suspected, but I know nothing!

Edited July 28, 2018 by Axl's Agony Aunt
Zombieeerieness

[wasted]

1 hour ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Talking of real women, or one woman, Taylor Momsen, The Pretty Reckless have looked promising, with three good bluesy rock albums, although she seemed to have succumbed to anti-white racism on the last album ('I wish I was black'), and a bit too much apparently real devil worshipry, which seems more common than ever now; hopefully it's just the Stones-style rebelliousness!

The Amorettes know their rock n' roll history, but are more straight-a-head metal rock. This song's reminiscent of Joan Jett's great I Love Rock n' Roll to me:

 

There’s a lot good blues based bands, even hard rock bands. I think it might just be a frontman coming along who has the voice and whole thing. That might just come from the culture. There’s no scene or destination for people to gather. I think Fall Out Boy formed on Myspace? That is kind of an indie thing, Pavement formed via the postal service. 

I guess the internet destablized the money centers, so there’s no big budgets provided by corrupt industry, it’s all diversity and freedom, but that route to fortune and fame is pretty distorted and ephemeral. Also whiteboys are out of fashion, so being a swaggering badass isn’t probably going to fly. 

[wasted]

Jagger isn’t a great singer but he has a great voice. 

[Len Cnut]

8 minutes ago, wasted said:

Jagger isn’t a great singer but he has a great voice. 

To me a great voice makes a great singer but i get what you mean.  To me, more important than all that note hitting shit is sounding unique and...just cool, having a great voice as you say.  i.e. John Lydon, Shaun Ryder, can't sing for toffee really but I'd take em over any number of great singers.  Not that I don't love a Sam Cooke or a Marvin Gaye or an Otis Redding but, I dunno, there's room for all.

[mikeman5150]

I would say they are similar to the stones as far as popularity goes. I see kids all the time wearing gnr shirts around town. Reminds me of junior high when a bunch of kids would wear the stones or zeppelin shirts and have no idea who they were or anything about their music. GNR is also getting much more play on the classic rock stations. I think that currently guns is that household name like the stones. As far as output, you can’t compare, but as I’ve always said, quality over quantity, I’d take guns top 15 tracks over the stones any day. 

[SoulMonster]

On ‎27‎.‎07‎.‎2018 at 6:53 PM, Len Cnut said:

Manson was fuckin' bollocks.  The thing about 'shock' and all that fuckin' shite is when you're clearly trying to shock it stops being shocking.  Shock works when it confronts you with something a bit frightening.  When Axl, the small town whiteboy, looking like you're average fuckin' rock n roll singer busts out with One In A Million its kinda shocking but contentious too, it kinda raises questions that people are afraid of the answers too, therein lies its values, The Sex Pistols were a heightened version of the same thing, they presented a reality that people didn't want to deal with, The Stones, too a point, with their free sexuality and all that shit, presented their times with something that challenged something in em.

But Manson, on the other hand, to me is akin to...I dunno, just trying REALLY hard.  Like a kid knowing the word fuck will raise eyebrows so he just runs around goin' 'fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck' with no rhyme or reason.  Thats Manson to me, all that face painting and blood and Charlie Manson allusions and fuckin' wiping his arse on the bible.  There's no actual substance to it, in the late 90s, to me, it was like...so what?  The stuff that made him 'shocking' isn't anything that we all couldn't do if we were that way inclined, he wasn't controversial due to any talent or insight, he was controversial due to acting like a pranny.  Its kind of contrived and uninspired.

https://entertainment.theonion.com/marilyn-manson-now-going-door-to-door-trying-to-shock-p-1819565904

[Len Cnut]

59 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

I would say they are similar to the stones as far as popularity goes. I see kids all the time wearing gnr shirts around town. Reminds me of junior high when a bunch of kids would wear the stones or zeppelin shirts and have no idea who they were or anything about their music. GNR is also getting much more play on the classic rock stations. I think that currently guns is that household name like the stones. As far as output, you can’t compare, but as I’ve always said, quality over quantity, I’d take guns top 15 tracks over the stones any day. 

I see Ramones shirts all over the place more than any shirt and I know for a fact they ain’t as popular as GnR and The Stones.

[The Holographic Universe]

1 hour ago, mikeman5150 said:

I would say they are similar to the stones as far as popularity goes. I see kids all the time wearing gnr shirts around town. Reminds me of junior high when a bunch of kids would wear the stones or zeppelin shirts and have no idea who they were or anything about their music. GNR is also getting much more play on the classic rock stations. I think that currently guns is that household name like the stones. As far as output, you can’t compare, but as I’ve always said, quality over quantity, I’d take guns top 15 tracks over the stones any day. 

Any day.