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30 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Agree it went on too long 2016/2017 would have covered it. Obviously the ridiculous money offered was too good to turn down.

You’d like to think/hope when they hit the road again it’ll be a very different show (COVID allowing time to take stock of things/integrating newly created songs in etc).

Of course it could go the other way - been off the road for a couple of years and with everything being so bleak in the world generally they decide to ‘tour the songs they think  the average fan wants’.......I bloody hope not!!!

Yeah, there's always this possibility. Maybe they could start off with some regular shows but gradually add new stuff, and for the love of god, alternate the songs, both old and new. The staleness is one of the worst things. 

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1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Yeah, there's always this possibility. Maybe they could start off with some regular shows but gradually add new stuff, and for the love of god, alternate the songs, both old and new. The staleness is one of the worst things. 

Yup - just shake it up a bit

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One could hope the band's taking all this downtime to make the Illusions box for 2021 the best it can be, learning from Locked N' Loaded's mistakes and curating a collection of outtakes, demos and remixes that can make every fan satisfied, supporting it with a tour of deep cuts and unreleased material.

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4 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I feared that a reunion would torpedo any possibility of getting new music from the CD sessions. I never really though a reunion would result in a new album with Slash and Duff, I considered the whole reunion thing a pure cash-grab touring event.

Now it seems like a new album is on its way, with Slash and Duff, and that is cool and I am happy to have been wrong on that. I do fear that music from the CD sessions, with Bucket, Robin, etc's contributions intact, will not see the light of day in the foreseeable future, though, and that bums me up. Whether it is worth it really depends on the quality of music that will come out.

As for the reunion shows: Slightly better than expected but nothing close to what was prime Guns N' Roses for me, back in the 80s, I am happy for people who got a kick out of seeing Slash and Axl back on stage, though. I am more into new music than nostalgia.

Well, I can't share your optimism that a new album is on it's way, so for me it's just a direct swap - live shows with no new music from nu-gnr, or live shows with no new music from the current lineup. I appreciate them coming back, as it at least gave a chance to see something different for a bit. 

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4 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

When you say ‘now it seems’ are you basing it on the comments made by Slash, Duff, Susan etc or something more concrete that I have missed? FWIW I agree with you and think we will get a new album.

I wasn’t old enough to see GNR in their prime - actually got into them about 93. So I saw GNR at Leeds 2002 and Donington 2006 - when I went to the London 2017 show I was buzzing and it WAS a thrill to see Axl and Slash on stage again. But it’s now at the point where that part is done and we need to see what they have to say NOW as opposed to way back when.

Good to see someone was at that Leeds 2002 show - my memory might be playing tricks on me, but as I recall there weren't too many of us fans that were that enthusiastic there.? It seemed like GNR fans were in the minority that night. That show stands out as a special one for me though. 

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25 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Good to see someone was at that Leeds 2002 show - my memory might be playing tricks on me, but as I recall there weren't too many of us fans that were that enthusiastic there.? It seemed like GNR fans were in the minority that night. That show stands out as a special one for me though. 

I remember being thrilled at seeing Axl on stage, his rant re the ‘where’s slash’ sign and him replying ‘Slash being in his ass’ and telling the heckler to fuck off basically 😂.

There was some issue with getting on late and needing to get an extension from the council - it was actually the Prodigy’s fault as they overran. Rocket Queen had 70’s style porn videos on the screens (I hope I haven’t made that up....), Buckethead was doing his nunchucks and Paradise City have pyrotechnics going off all over the place at the end....about 1:00am?!!!

Thats from memory and some may be total garbage but I’m sure it’s accurate! Don’t really remember what the general crowd was like but it was quieter than Download 06 for sure.

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1 minute ago, DTJ80 said:

I remember being thrilled at seeing Axl on stage, his rant re the ‘where’s slash’ sign and him replying ‘Slash being in his ass’ and telling the heckler to fuck off basically 😂.

There was some issue with getting on late and needing to get an extension from the council - it was actually the Prodigy’s fault as they overran. Rocket Queen had 70’s style porn videos on the screens (I hope I haven’t made that up....), Buckethead was doing his nunchucks and Paradise City have pyrotechnics going off all over the place at the end....about 1:00am?!!!

Thats from memory and some may be total garbage but I’m sure it’s accurate! Don’t really remember what the general crowd was like but it was quieter than Download 06 for sure.

I think the lateness was Axl actually. I seem to remember a massive gap between them and the Prodigy, where lots of people just wandered off. I don't remember the porn videos (doesn't mean it didn't happen!). I do remember that a guy came out with a monster mask when Buckethead did his nunchucks routine and was making signs behind his back. Buckethead seemed unaware he was there, and I've to this day, no idea what was going on there! 

Ah good times. I hitched down to London afterwards to see their show at the Docklands Arena too! 

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1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

I think the lateness was Axl actually. I seem to remember a massive gap between them and the Prodigy, where lots of people just wandered off. I don't remember the porn videos (doesn't mean it didn't happen!). I do remember that a guy came out with a monster mask when Buckethead did his nunchucks routine and was making signs behind his back. Buckethead seemed unaware he was there, and I've to this day, no idea what was going on there! 

Ah good times. I hitched down to London afterwards to see their show at the Docklands Arena too! 

I don’t think there was anything graphic on the videos...just had that 70s look soft core stuff going on 😂. Maybe he was late but sure Prodigy ran over too which didn’t help (they were terrible - so disappointed and it sounded like they were just playing their CD with live vocals/guitar). I know based on the sampling they do etc that might be the result but I remember thinking this is like the CD.....but with bad vocals...😂. Crowd seemed to like them so fair enough.

I remember folk drifting towards the end - mainly folk panicking about missing the shuttle buses I think. 😂

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2 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

I don’t think there was anything graphic on the videos...just had that 70s look soft core stuff going on 😂. Maybe he was late but sure Prodigy ran over too which didn’t help (they were terrible - so disappointed and it sounded like they were just playing their CD with live vocals/guitar). I know based on the sampling they do etc that might be the result but I remember thinking this is like the CD.....but with bad vocals...😂. Crowd seemed to like them so fair enough.

I remember folk drifting towards the end - mainly folk panicking about missing the shuttle buses I think. 😂

Oh Prodigy were dire. Apparently they considered splitting after that show, as they thought it was so bad. They consider it the worst they ever got. I was right at the front and one of the band was actually apologizing to people in a really genuine and sincere way. I said to him "when are GNR on?" in a bit of a rude manner and he said "soon as possible, I hope you enjoy them, sorry about this show" in such a pleasant way it made me a feel like a wanker! 

I seem to remember talk about Axl not being there, and a helicopter arriving after The Prodigy set which was probably him.  I thought he said something like "a lot of people thought I wasn't coming......" onstage too. 

It really makes me think though, those shows in the nu-gnr were always exciting and unpredictable. I do miss that element of the band massively. 

 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Oh Prodigy were dire. Apparently they considered splitting after that show, as they thought it was so bad. They consider it the worst they ever got. I was right at the front and one of the band was actually apologizing to people in a really genuine and sincere way. I said to him "when are GNR on?" in a bit of a rude manner and he said "soon as possible, I hope you enjoy them, sorry about this show" in such a pleasant way it made me a feel like a wanker! 

I seem to remember talk about Axl not being there, and a helicopter arriving after The Prodigy set which was probably him.  I thought he said something like "a lot of people thought I wasn't coming......" onstage too. 

It really makes me think though, those shows in the nu-gnr were always exciting and unpredictable. I do miss that element of the band massively. 

 

Wow - that’s quite a thing re the Prodigy 😂 most folk would have kicked off...at least they were honest!

The spontaneity lasted up to as far as NITL for me.....they still did random stuff like Rose Bar etc and now it’s ‘locked in’ with an almost identical setlist etc which is a drag (not so much a problem on a short tour....3 years though....).

Heres hoping something changes for the better - anything - as it’s like a ghost town round here just now. A selects, 5 second snippet of a new track (we could discuss that for MONTHS...😂)...anything!!!

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10 hours ago, Sosso said:

I don't know why you talk bad about Tommy. Probably because he's not "original". Having him in the Band was the best choice because of his punk background and his role as The General. 

How did i talk bad about Tommy? I just said i prefer Duff to be in Guns N' Roses than Tommy...

For what it's worth, i think pretty much every former CD era contributor should be respected.

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19 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

How did i talk bad about Tommy? I just said i prefer Duff to be in Guns N' Roses than Tommy...

For what it's worth, i think pretty much every former CD era contributor should be respected.

Fair enough. Did you know that The Mats were one of Duff's favourite Bands back in the 80s?

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Unbelievably I have only just realised that Axl has a co-writing credit on Bach’s Angel Down album..song is Stuck Inside. I knew he sang on the album but not co-writing a song. Dunno how I missed that! 😂

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17 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Unbelievably I have only just realised that Axl has a co-writing credit on Bach’s Angel Down album..song is Stuck Inside. I knew he sang on the album but not co-writing a song. Dunno how I missed that! 😂

Yeah, he wrote his own part. There was a story about how that came about, but it's been so long I can't remember. I think originally he was meant to just do the Aerosmith cover and then he really dug Stuck Inside and wanted to throw in that wee bit - that's off the top of my head and may not be 100%. Really makes that song stand out though!

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54 minutes ago, Dean said:

Yeah, he wrote his own part. There was a story about how that came about, but it's been so long I can't remember. I think originally he was meant to just do the Aerosmith cover and then he really dug Stuck Inside and wanted to throw in that wee bit - that's off the top of my head and may not be 100%. Really makes that song stand out though!

I’m surprised and disappointed in myself  for not knowing! 😂

That whole situation was just plain weird (in a good way).....to get Axl to sing on 3 tracks?! Crazy.

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8 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

I’m surprised and disappointed in myself  for not knowing! 😂

That whole situation was just plain weird (in a good way).....to get Axl to sing on 3 tracks?! Crazy.

It all stemmed from Axl getting Baz to record vocals for Sorry and in a tongue and cheek way asked him “when are you going to sing on my record?!” 
“Where and when” etc etc, if only someone could get him to sing on any record now if it’s that easy!!!

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7 minutes ago, Dean said:

It all stemmed from Axl getting Baz to record vocals for Sorry and in a tongue and cheek way asked him “when are you going to sing on my record?!” 
“Where and when” etc etc, if only someone could get him to sing on any record now if it’s that easy!!!

Ha ha - I know......just so weird! Here’s hoping he has been in the vocal booth.

Was just looking at some quotes from a Revolver magazine interview from 2014 where Axl confirms ‘CD2’ was done along with the remix album.....6 years later and still nothing new (post-reunion versions of the songs) or even a leak of that version of the album. Man we are unlucky! 😖

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On 10/16/2020 at 9:11 AM, janrichmond said:

Yeah, I'm serious. At the start it was exciting, the build up, the what ifs, who's in the band etc. I loved it! I hadn't seen GNR since 1993 so i got tickets to both nights in London, both nights were fun but they were far from great. Axl's vocals were awful to my ears.and his voice was what initially drew me to the band. 

If Slash hadn't returned i'd have more new music from him which means more gigs. I'm really happy for the younger fans who never got to see them before but i'll stick with the 'old band' 

I hate CD btw :lol:

100%

Personally I wish they had stopped after 2017. 2016 could've been the big Axl/Slash/Duff reunion, then release the LnL box on time in 2017 and invite Izzy and Steven back for a run of shows for the 30th anniversary. Then after that only come back if they have a new record to promote. But from the beginning I've always had complaints, first one was Frank's playing, which really took the wind out of the sails for me. Then the missed opportunity for a new single or something to go with the tour, no real special celebration of the actual 30th anniversary of AFD (apart from overpriced merch that arrived a year late). They started adding certain deep cuts a little too late in my opinion; they could've done those songs in 2017 and skipped the random covers. And then of course Fernando and all the issues that go along with him, video takedowns etc. If there hadn't been a reunion I wouldn't have cared about it. 

Plus Axl's voice, what a disappointment. 

The main thing that I've enjoyed with the reunion was seeing Slash play some of those old songs again (Estranged, Coma, etc). That was cool.

And yes you're right, if SMKC had kept going we would be looking forward to the 6th album now. 

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I saw that a member of a GNR Facebook group stated that a song title called Sweet Lorraine was November Rain. I have my doubts about this since I have been a fan of GNR from 1987 and NEVER  heard this. Does anyone know if this is true? 

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On 10/19/2020 at 5:40 AM, Gackt said:

One could hope the band's taking all this downtime to make the Illusions box for 2021 the best it can be, learning from Locked N' Loaded's mistakes and curating a collection of outtakes, demos and remixes that can make every fan satisfied, supporting it with a tour of deep cuts and unreleased material.

:axl:

I actually somewhat have some hope for that lol because clearly this band the past few years has shown themselves to be into milking the nostalgia factor in favor of new material so tricking out the UYI box set could be an excuse to delay making new music :lol:

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