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1 hour ago, betterman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YGT7U3siYz85WLnNFqxUjXLnd7Qj6YjX/view

Nice little news report from the studio 1990.  (Page 2 and 3)

Talks of 35 songs for UYI sessions. 28 on the albums, right?

Do we know all the other ones..?

Ain't Going Down, Just Another Sunday (and probably other West Arkeen songs), Nightcrawler (Slash song that ended on Snakepit 2 as Speed Parade), maybe a couple of TSI covers (I don't think they had come up with them yet).

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2 hours ago, betterman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YGT7U3siYz85WLnNFqxUjXLnd7Qj6YjX/view

Nice little news report from the studio 1990.  (Page 2 and 3)

Talks of 35 songs for UYI sessions. 28 on the albums, right?

Do we know all the other ones..?

Interesting that there's a Kill For Thrills interview in that edition also and they talk about how they're not like GnR. Then almost 2 years later Gilby is in GnR and Kill For Thills is no more.

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Been listening a lot to some of the songs on the Rough Mixes CD's. Truly some gems there, such a shame so little of them got released. State of Grace is probably one of my favourites, I love Axl's performance, but the instrumentation... my god! I love that riff, and I have such a soft spot for riffs that incorporate that flat fifth, (like It's So Easy, The General, Welcome to the Jungle). I used to think that SoG probably could be a couple minutes longer, but I don't see any reason to adding more stuff there, it's short and sweet with a cracking outro! Great stuff.

Kind of the opposite with Dummy. It's pretty underrated in my opinion, but it does drag for way too long. I love the vibe from that song. Devious Bastard is also such a badass song, reminiscent of Perfect Crime and Garden of Eden in some ways, just evolved. Not a fan of the quotes and voice recordings added, it's present in so many NuGuns demos, and it's honestly cringeworthy. Works excellently in Madagascar though. 

There's honestly so much good stuff there that really does hold their own ground without the prescence of Axl and his undeniable vocal capabilites. It's an eternal shame that all we got was Chinese Democracy, and GN'R never got to truly evolve from the sleaze rock image which they definitely did outgrow. The sleaziness is why I got into GN'R in the first place, but what a journey it would have been to go from a bare bones rock n' roll style to whatever could have been. An ever evolving style would in my eyes have cemented GN'Rs legacy in music in a much larger scale. I understand everyone who hates the musical direction GN'R went in, but I feel there's a stronger case to be made for the fact that GN'R would have regressed more had they continued to pump out albums in the vein of Appetite and Illusions. I've been very disillusioned with this band for years, since my personal connection with them kind of got bookended after I got to finally see them live, but the release of Absurd has truly brought me back to being a crazy GN'R nerd again. I welcome and embrace the frustrating dysfunctionality, because there is nothing like it, there's nothing like GN'R. There's a reason that after two decades this forum is still around with several active (and even new!) members discussing.

My personal feelings with GN'R get encapsulated with the phone recording of The General. Behind the wall of shit you can hear something. You don't really know what it is, but it's so thrilling. The wailing solo, that haunting motif and Axl belting out some gut wrenching lyrics. ''There's a child now chained to the bed now ... I think it's high time you should fuckin' die, child, I think this time you've broken everything inside''. What the fuck?! How come this isn't out? Based on that clip and the orchestal motif, I really feel that song is something different. Along the lines of Queen's Innuendo perhaps. I don't know, there's just fucking SOMETHING about that song that's been thrilling me for years and years and years. Those lyrics can be so much further from what's actually being sung, but honestly what the actual fuck? That's what fucking confuses me, if I was sitting on that stuff I'd do my BEST to get that out, to get people listening to this. It's so different from everything else from Guns, and that's not even a bad thing! ''And if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last''

I still carry hope that Axl finds it in himself to just bring more music. Whether it be orchestal film scores, electronic weirdness or even classic GN'R rock, I don't really give a shit but I do know Axl is a genius. He has so much to give.

I love this game!

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On 8/27/2021 at 1:16 AM, jamillos said:

Recently leaked ultra rare video of Axl in 1995. This is what he was doing when he wasn't touring or writing songs. 

https://v.redd.it/c8da157klmj71/DASH_720.mp4?source=fallback

I'm guessing you're not serious about this. It does look like him from a distance but no one was filming vertical videos like this back then and the video looks way too clear. 

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Just wondering if anyone has information on the June 1989 show at The Whiskey where members of GNR appeared with The Angels. I think they also did a song with Angry Anderson too.

Do we have the details of who from GNR made an appearance, and a full list of the songs they performed?

There's some footage out there but I'm not sure if it's complete.

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1 hour ago, Bitchisback said:

My favorite band is GnR and my girl's is System of a Down.  Wondering how we got so unlucky lol

 

Maybe the two bands most notable for not releasing new music :facepalm:

But unlike us, at least she can wake up, grababrushandputalittlemakeup, you know? 

(I'll see myself out.)

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On 8/28/2021 at 1:19 AM, goldentobacco said:

Been listening a lot to some of the songs on the Rough Mixes CD's. Truly some gems there, such a shame so little of them got released. State of Grace is probably one of my favourites, I love Axl's performance, but the instrumentation... my god! I love that riff, and I have such a soft spot for riffs that incorporate that flat fifth, (like It's So Easy, The General, Welcome to the Jungle). I used to think that SoG probably could be a couple minutes longer, but I don't see any reason to adding more stuff there, it's short and sweet with a cracking outro! Great stuff.

Kind of the opposite with Dummy. It's pretty underrated in my opinion, but it does drag for way too long. I love the vibe from that song. Devious Bastard is also such a badass song, reminiscent of Perfect Crime and Garden of Eden in some ways, just evolved. Not a fan of the quotes and voice recordings added, it's present in so many NuGuns demos, and it's honestly cringeworthy. Works excellently in Madagascar though. 

There's honestly so much good stuff there that really does hold their own ground without the prescence of Axl and his undeniable vocal capabilites. It's an eternal shame that all we got was Chinese Democracy, and GN'R never got to truly evolve from the sleaze rock image which they definitely did outgrow. The sleaziness is why I got into GN'R in the first place, but what a journey it would have been to go from a bare bones rock n' roll style to whatever could have been. An ever evolving style would in my eyes have cemented GN'Rs legacy in music in a much larger scale. I understand everyone who hates the musical direction GN'R went in, but I feel there's a stronger case to be made for the fact that GN'R would have regressed more had they continued to pump out albums in the vein of Appetite and Illusions. I've been very disillusioned with this band for years, since my personal connection with them kind of got bookended after I got to finally see them live, but the release of Absurd has truly brought me back to being a crazy GN'R nerd again. I welcome and embrace the frustrating dysfunctionality, because there is nothing like it, there's nothing like GN'R. There's a reason that after two decades this forum is still around with several active (and even new!) members discussing.

My personal feelings with GN'R get encapsulated with the phone recording of The General. Behind the wall of shit you can hear something. You don't really know what it is, but it's so thrilling. The wailing solo, that haunting motif and Axl belting out some gut wrenching lyrics. ''There's a child now chained to the bed now ... I think it's high time you should fuckin' die, child, I think this time you've broken everything inside''. What the fuck?! How come this isn't out? Based on that clip and the orchestal motif, I really feel that song is something different. Along the lines of Queen's Innuendo perhaps. I don't know, there's just fucking SOMETHING about that song that's been thrilling me for years and years and years. Those lyrics can be so much further from what's actually being sung, but honestly what the actual fuck? That's what fucking confuses me, if I was sitting on that stuff I'd do my BEST to get that out, to get people listening to this. It's so different from everything else from Guns, and that's not even a bad thing! ''And if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last''

I still carry hope that Axl finds it in himself to just bring more music. Whether it be orchestal film scores, electronic weirdness or even classic GN'R rock, I don't really give a shit but I do know Axl is a genius. He has so much to give.

I love this game!

Axl is good, but a genius? No, I wouldn't say so. 1 album in 30 years, some pretty ropey performances in the past 10 years, and many many many missed opportunities in that same time frame. A genius knows when to pull the trigger and deliver the goods! Axl was a bloody superb vocalist and an underrated lyricist. But he is also the main reason for the breakup of the first era of the band, as I understand it. In his prime, a bloody brilliant frontman. 

And how the hell anybody can get overly excited about a shitty phone recording of an unreleased track... well I'm guessing you might have been drunk when you posted that! Hahah!

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49 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Axl is good, but a genius? No, I wouldn't say so. 1 album in 30 years, some pretty ropey performances in the past 10 years, and many many many missed opportunities in that same time frame. A genius knows when to pull the trigger and deliver the goods! Axl was a bloody superb vocalist and an underrated lyricist. But he is also the main reason for the breakup of the first era of the band, as I understand it. In his prime, a bloody brilliant frontman. 

And how the hell anybody can get overly excited about a shitty phone recording of an unreleased track... well I'm guessing you might have been drunk when you posted that! Hahah!

Being an opportunitist and being productive is not what makes a genius...at all

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On 9/11/2021 at 10:17 PM, Voodoochild said:

Just a rambling: UMG manually took 4 videos of my YouTube channel, which led me to 2 strikes. I just post guitar covers and an occasional own stuff there. 

I understand that they felt the need to took down after I posted a cover of an unreleased track (Perhaps), but they even took down my Absurd cover, which I posted at the same day the song got released. 

It's very frustrating to deal with this kind of shit on YouTube, as many of you know. But in my case I put a lot of work to learn, record, mix and edit the videos. To think that someone actually thought that I was doing the band any harm is ridiculous. 

Does that happen with any other band? Shouldn't covers be protected? Like, unless you're using a backing track, is just your playing

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2 minutes ago, Manfisman said:

Does that happen with any other band? Shouldn't covers be protected? Like, unless you're using a backing track, is just your playing

It does with some bands. I've been having a hard time with Faith No More and Jimi Hendrix songs I tried to cover before. 

But yeah, I was using backing tracks. This is not a problem usually, it only makes my videos impossible to monetize. I don't care, my channel isn't big enough even though I'm the only one on YouTube covering all the Chinese Democracy tracks lol. 

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  • 3 weeks later...

I dreamed I was reading somewhere that at some Stones show on the Steel Wheels tour, Axl sang the backing vocals in the Mixed Emotions backing vocals. Don’t judge me, I really love that Stones song and surely Axl’s voice in the backing vocals would have sounded excellent.

Please don't make fun of me. :shrugs:

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