SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, janrichmond said: That is already a thing and has been my whole life, what would you want added to that? cleft palette? hair lip? or just have perfect blue eyed blonde haired children born?? We are already in a situation where we on certain grounds allow abortion. And where I live, Downs syndrome is one of them. Would I want to open up and allow more reasons? I don't know. As a guiding principle I think if the baby will be born with some serious physical or mental handicap then yes, that should open up for the parents being allowed to an abortion within a certain time. But I wouldn't agree with abortion for purely aesthetic reasons, or minor stuff like a cleft palate. I think my opinion are pretty much inline with those of other people who don't object to abortion on a principle ground. Edited September 28, 2018 by SoulMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: We are already in a situation where we on certain grounds allow abortion. And where I live, Downs syndrome is one of them. Would I want to open up and allow more reasons? I don't know. As a guiding principle I think if the baby will be born with some serious physical or mental handicap then yes, that should open up for the parents being allowed to an abortion within a certain time. But I wouldn't agree with abortion for purely aesthetic reasons, or minor stuff like a cleft palate. I think my opinion are pretty much inline with those of other people who don't object to abortion on a principle ground. That's what happens already! Parents are offered a termination if those symptoms are diagnosed during pregnancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, janrichmond said: That's what happens already! Parents are offered a termination if those symptoms are diagnosed during pregnancy. Not everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, janrichmond said: That's what happens already! Parents are offered a termination if those symptoms are diagnosed during pregnancy. They are offered it in some places. Try getting an abortion for any reason in some parts of the US and it's a very different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: They are offered it in some places. Try getting an abortion for any reason in some parts of the US and it's a very different story. Really?? Where and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Kwick1 said: All schedule 1 and 2 narcostics should be legalized for any use. Illegality of them does not prevent anyone that wants to from using and leads to crime costing millions. I'm not sure about completely "legalized" but decrminalized and treated as a disease/disorder vs a crime, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, janrichmond said: Really?? Where and why? Anyway, my point was more in the direction of removing taboos for taking an abortion because of serious genetic defects. I guess it is not really a controversial point of view unless you are against abortions alltogether. That being said, for some reason many people seem to think Downs is a trivial thing, that it just makes people look different and leads to a minor mental handicap. Thus abortion of people with Downs come across as unnecessary and cruel. Fact is that Downs is very serious for both those afflicted and their caregivers. It comes with numerous serious handicaps that may result in lots of pain and suffering to all involved. But such points are lost to people who prefer to respond with images of smiling girls with Downs or those who misunderstand and think I am arguing for murder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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janrichmond Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 @SoulMonster i'm pro-choice. I have friends that have terminated for genetic reasons and others who have continued with the pregnancy. It should be the parent's choice.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, janrichmond said: Really?? Where and why? The south mostly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwick1 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Kasanova King said: I'm not sure about completely "legalized" but decrminalized and treated as a disease/disorder vs a crime, for sure. Completely agree, the user arrested under today's laws should be treated as a disease and not a criminal. But if completely legalized, we would end the dangerous and deadly drug trade, improve crime rate in inner cities, our prisons would not be filled to capacity overloaded costing millions in housing drug offenders. The govt would save $ and make money by heavy sin taxation of the products. Today, there's no Govt benefit from fighting the drug war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Jan isn't locked into a ''Soul Monster Argument''? Heady times indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, janrichmond said: @SoulMonster i'm pro-choice. I have friends that have terminated for genetic reasons and others who have continued with the pregnancy. It should be the parent's choice.. I’d defer the desicion to the bird out of sheer cowardice. That’s way too much to ask of me, to make a desicion like that one way or the other, I don’t think I’ve got the bottle so I guess that makes me pro-choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Blokes shouldn't discuss it actually. Blokes should talk about sport and films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Jan isn't locked into a ''Soul Monster Argument''? Heady times indeed! lol, i was just checking if he wanted to create perfect children...turns out he doesn't i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwick1 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, janrichmond said: @SoulMonster i'm pro-choice. I have friends that have terminated for genetic reasons and others who have continued with the pregnancy. It should be the parent's choice.. Completely agree, it should be a choice between the parents and their doctor. Regardless of the decision it's most difficult and it should never be questioned nor criticized. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, janrichmond said: lol, i was just checking if he wanted to create perfect children...turns out he doesn't i think I think I said I don't approve of abortion for aesthetic reasons? I also don't think I have ever said anything, ever, anywhere, that would suggest such a thing. That being said, of course I want to create perfect children, and I am very happy to have done just that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I think I said I don't approve of abortion for aesthetic reasons? Not even for gingers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dazey said: Not even for gingers? You do know I am blessed with red hair myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: You do know I am blessed with red hair myself? Is that why you became a geneticist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Did you know sperm banks refuse ginger sperm because of - there is no kind way to put this - ''low demand''? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dazey said: Is that why you became a geneticist? Finding the genetic basis for golden locks is a noble endeavour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Did you know sperm banks refuse ginger sperm because of - there is no kind way to put this - ''low demand''? Probably only from the northern UK kind, the spindly, pasty nerds with silly haircuts, not from the rugged Scandinavian Hivju variant? Anyway, my sperm has never been in low demand anywhere Ooh, I can't say such things without squirming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, SoulMonster said: Probably only from the northern UK kind, the spindly, pasty nerds with silly haircuts, not from the rugged Scandinavian Hivju variant? Anyway, my sperm has never been in low demand anywhere Ooh, I can't say such things without squirming. There is nothing rugged about Scandinavia these days (unless one considers sequins rugged). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: There is nothing rugged about Scandinavia these days (unless one considers sequins rugged). Why don't you come over and find out? Assuming you are not afraid of ferries too, it is a short trip. As a basement-dwelling troglodyte, you wouldn't hurt from having your horizons expanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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