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8 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Trust me ... Almost everybody in America knows the historical (although maybe not fully) context of that flag ....

Currently, yes. But did everybody know in the 80s, when The Dukes of Hazzard was one of the most popular TV shows? 

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I'm fine with Axl posting his political views. I mean, I'm quite opinionated when it comes to politics and, on occasion, I share my views online, so I'm not about to tell anyone else that they can't d

Am i the only one more interested in that giant cow? 

I hate the word woke.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, like I said, at that time the confederate flag was largely decontextualized, and it was trivialized, like in The Dukes of Hazzard, as an innocent symbol of "southern pride" and southern culture as well as a of a positive and appealing (to a portion of society) representation of "outlawism". At least that was how it was perceived internationally, but probably even in the U.S. many people didn't know about its association with the KKK and white supremacy. 

Having said that, I remember watching The Dukes as a kid and loving it. Being curious, I went to read who General Lee was (as expected, we weren't taught much of U.S. history in Greece) and, even though I didn't know anything else about the flag then, I did wonder, in my child mind, why Bo and Luke took pride of a general who fought for maintaining slavery.

If the summary of the contemporary criticism in the beginning of this article is accurate, at the time the show was criticized for everything else except the flag:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dukes-hazzard-stars-john-schneider-tom-wopat-respond-controversy-cars-confederate-flag-1302105

 

Robert E. Lee abhorred slavery as an institution. He fought for the Confederacy because Virginia seceded: "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty''. 

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5 hours ago, Padme said:

Uh? Arizona, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma and Georgia among others have Replublican Governors.  But politcs aside people should know better. You have to wear a mask. You have to try to keep social distance as much as you can. Nevermind what any given politician says. People must listen to what doctors  say

I'm in a full face respirator between 8 and 12 hours a day for work.  I laugh when I hear people complain about having to wear a cloth face covering.  I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to wear a mask to go outside and if people want to risk infecting each other let them.  I wouldn't go anywhere there is a crowd but if these idiots want to gather let em gather.  People should have a choice.

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10 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The right agrees to disagree with people on the left.

Which is why the right forms militias and other hate groups like the Proud Boys or parties like Golden Dawn?

11 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The Left thinks everyone who isn't them is evil.

The point was actually that Axl isnt a leftist.

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2 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

What I can tell from my personal experience is that investors and share holders don't have such a heavy influence on the hard news. They do have on the media editorial position. It's not the same thing, though.  

IMO, the best scenario (like tech sites owned by mobile operators such as Verizon) is when the news not only tell the story, but they make it clear if any affiliation should be disclaimed.

Yeah I agree, nothing sours things more than finding out something seedy down the line. Full disclosure and business, never goes hand in hand though! 

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One thing is for certain this face mask issue and the handling of it has really divided people. I mean we're talking about wearing a bloody face mask here!!! 🤣 Why is it so controversial? If they came out and said, from this day forth every citizen has to wear a numbered suit and be chipped this response would be justified. People are crazy! It's not a left or right issue, it's a health issue! so park the politics!

Statistics show that masks help prevent the spread - we want concerts, we want sports, We want travel, we want regular shopping and normal life to resume! all of that comes with suppressing the virus! no masks means the above doesn't happen for a much, much longer time and possibly thousands more people die for no good reason! Also, also!!!! the GNR album is being held up ;) 

 

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8 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

I'm in a full face respirator between 8 and 12 hours a day for work.  I laugh when I hear people complain about having to wear a cloth face covering.  I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to wear a mask to go outside and if people want to risk infecting each other let them.  I wouldn't go anywhere there is a crowd but if these idiots want to gather let em gather.  People should have a choice.

No, don't let them. Progress can't be made if people are allowed to do whatever they want. There is no vaccine and there is no medication right now. Those people are making things worst. They wanna go to the beach or go to a bar? Fine, but keep some distance and wear a mask. It is for their own benefit, and also for the benefit of their fellow citizens

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13 minutes ago, soon said:

Which is why the right forms militias and other hate groups like the Proud Boys or parties like Golden Dawn?

How about Antifa, Brownshirts, The mobs destroying American cities and monuments?

 

14 minutes ago, soon said:

The point was actually that Axl isnt a leftist.

Yes he is

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Just now, Gibsonfender2323 said:

How about Antifa, Brownshirts, The mobs destroying American cities and monuments?

Whataboutism. You've instantly abandoned the point you made which is that "The right agrees to disagree with the left." That is not a defendable position so you move on to whataboutism. Unfortunately this whataboutism is full of holes.

Antifa cant be said to represent the general ethos of leftism because its not an organization and has no membership structure. To join Proud Boys you understand their mission statement and you agree to its beliefs. There is even initiation rituals. Antifa has none of these things. 

Antifa in USA is basically 5 years old. Militias have always existed in the US. Toss in the KKK, Storm Front, etc. When the right exists in an offensive posture for decades on end, it makes your claim absolutely impossible to even consider.

Being anti fascist is a great thing to be, though, obviously.

8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Yes he is

No. Leftism is marked be criticisms of capitalism, including in many cases a rejection of capitalism all together. Leftist thought sees capitalism as oppressive and exploitative. Leftist thought critiques capitalism for ecocide, monocultural, neoliberalism and the creation of the precariat among other items. 

You may have heard of terms like "socialism" or "anti-capitalist" which are far more indicative of leftism than tweeting about the importance of wearing masks during a pandemic or hocking cheap trinkets while flying a private jet.

 

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45 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Robert E. Lee abhorred slavery as an institution. He fought for the Confederacy because Virginia seceded: "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty''. 

Of course the Civil War was more complicated than merely Abolitionism Vs. Slavery, and, in regards to the officers who fought in it there was also the aspect of "military honour" that was above other beliefs. But, as in the case of German officers who were not ideologically Nazis, the fact remains that they fought on the wrong side.

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56 minutes ago, Mansin Humanity said:

banned by who?

The thought police

 

57 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Currently, yes. But did everybody know in the 80s, when The Dukes of Hazzard was one of the most popular TV shows? 

Well considering the 80s was closer to the Civil War (and return of that flag in the 50s) than the 2010s I'd say yes? lol

3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Of course the Civil War was more complicated than merely Abolitionism Vs. Slavery, and, in regards to the officers who fought in it there was also the aspect of "military honour" that was above other beliefs. But, as in the case of German officers who were not ideologically Nazis, the fact remains that they fought on the wrong side.

Nazi Germany & the Confederated South is in no way shape or form a proper comparison to make ... At all ... 

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15 minutes ago, soon said:

. Toss in the KKK,

The KKK is an irrelevant organization now it's basically just a few hicks in the woods down south compared to a hundred years ago. The fact is that the right  wing militia movements you speak of have basically no power now.  The leftist organizations now that are destroying American cities on the other hand thats another discussion.

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3 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Well considering the 80s was closer to the Civil War (and return of that flag in the 50s) than the 2010s I'd say yes? lol

Nazi Germany & the Confederated South is in no way shape or form a proper comparison to make ... At all ... 

You don't seem to get what I'm saying.

The meaning people give to symbols, words etc. may change overtime and taken out of historical context, and that doesn't necessarily have to do with the closer proximity to the events.

And I didn't compare Nazi Germany and the Confederate South. The point was about being on the wrong side. And the Confederacy was the wrong side in the Civil War - or you don't agree? 

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34 minutes ago, AxlSlashthebest said:

I open the forum. I see it's hot on "official media"..........so cool...........then :(

Yeah I hear ya on that!

As an FYI to some of the earlier posts re Civil War I’m pretty sure Duff wrote a chunk of the lyrics. 

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7 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The KKK is an irrelevant organization now it's basically just a few hicks in the woods down south compared to a hundred years ago. The fact is that the right  wing militia movements you speak of have basically no power now.  The leftist organizations now that are destroying American cities on the other hand thats another discussion.

Oh? Which leftist organizations are destroying America? Is comrade Axls band  Guns N’ Roses one of them?? :P

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2 minutes ago, soon said:

Oh? Which leftist organizations are destroying America? Is comrade Axls band  Guns N’ Roses one of them?? :P

Nah its the peace loving San Francisco hippies.:lol: Those damn hippies and their organic crap.

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35 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Yeah I hear ya on that!

As an FYI to some of the earlier posts re Civil War I’m pretty sure Duff wrote a chunk of the lyrics. 

According to Axl (and Duff has also mentioned only these lines as his) the part Duff wrote was D'you wear a black armband / When they shot the man / Who said "Peace could last forever"

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11 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

You don't seem to get what I'm saying.

The meaning people give to symbols, words etc. may change overtime and taken out of historical context, and that doesn't necessarily have to do with the closer proximity to the events.

And I didn't compare Nazi Germany and the Confederate South. The point was about being on the wrong side. And the Confederacy was the wrong side in the Civil War - or you don't agree? 

No, I understand what you're saying. I won't answer your question however because I don't want to get into a serious discussion about our civil war on the social media thread for GNR lol & also based off what I see posted here on average most of the users of this forum are very liberal and I don't want to be ostracized & attacked for my opinions on such a touchy subject.

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8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Nah its the peace loving San Francisco hippies.:lol: Those damn hippies and their organic crap.

:lol:

I’m literally harvesting my organic chives and listening to the Grateful Dead as we speak! :rofl-lol:

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24 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

No, I understand what you're saying. I won't answer your question however because I don't want to get into a serious discussion about our civil war on the social media thread for GNR lol & also based off what I see posted here on average most of the users of this forum are very liberal and I don't want to be ostracized & attacked for my opinions on such a touchy subject.

Fair enough :)

33 minutes ago, soon said:

Oh? Which leftist organizations are destroying America? Is comrade Axls band  Guns N’ Roses one of them?? :P

I've seen a few gems in Axl's twitter. According to one of the replies, Axl is "the marxist son of the 80's" who wants "complete anarchy". :lol:

 

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36 minutes ago, Drexl said:

Funny how 'liberal' has become a derogatory term. Newspeak at its best. Just like so-called political correctness.

It just the colloquial label for the modern 'leftist' (which is also a nebulous term).

Which is in itself a bit silly because these groups tend much more authoritarian than liberal.

But good to see the social media thread has derailed into politics GNR's social media team on point as ever with content posting.

It's weird to me that big bands like GNR don't even have Tik Tok accounts. What do their teams do all day?

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